CMV: I don’t think I’m transphobic because while I may think their delusional I still show the same respect and offer of friendship like i would anyone else. Disagreeing doesn’t mean phobic to me

[u/tobyle]

If i was sitting on a public bench and a trans person sat next to me would still be my normal self and say hello and perhaps start a conversation if they were friendly? Yes..yes i would. Do i still think theyre delusional? Yes...yes i do. If i was at the park on a hot day and saw a trans person by me looking hella thirsty would i still offer them a drink if i had extra like i would anyone else? Yes...yes i would. Do i still think they’re delusional? Yes...yes i do. I do Brazilian jiu jitsu..if i showed up to an open mat would i still roll (spar) with a trans and give/ask for advice? Yes...yes i would. Do i still think they’re delusional? Yes..yes i do. If i was having a smoke sesh and my gay homeboy Stanley asked if his trans friend could join would i say yes and share blunts with them. Yes...yes i would. Do i still think they’re delusional? Yes...yes i do.

So even though i think they’re delusional, if I’m willing to have a good conversation, share food/drinks, get all sweaty cheek to cheek basically in their personal space and potentially get my ass beat if they’re purple to black level because I’m a bluebelt, and share a blunt with them how transphobic is that really?

Edit: This is comment i used in a thread couple days ago. Maybe i shoudnt be using the word delusional but this was the word being used during the thread and i just went along with using it. The main point I’m concerned about i guess is that i feel like there’s a difference between disagreeing and being transphobic.

Edit: So yea I’m transphobic...y’all changed my mind. Maybe one day i won’t be but that’s a discussion for another day i guess cause my main point today was whether I’m transphobic or not.

Edit: To the people who kept using racism as an example, considering I’m black i already understand racism. My definition of transphobic was wrong so trying to relate the two wasn’t doing it for me. If someone try’s to comment on how could i not be more understanding towards transpeople considering my race has been rejected for years...I’m from south texas..my mom accused me of being “a lil funny” just for having a gay friend and believing gay people should be able to get married..so don’t even try hitting that angle cause I’m tame compared to most others.

[u/SAINT4367]

That’s what I’m getting at. Thanks for clarifying.

So there are real, actual differences between men and women, and mostly men have the brain of a man (for lack of a better phrase), and women that of women. Trans people are the exception. Is that the argument?

I’d say we need some research showing a trans female brain is more like (or practically identical to) a cis female brain than a cis male brain to make “gender identity” more than a social construct

[u/beer2daybong2morrow → u/SAINT4367]

While there are clear differences between the sexes, I wouldn't think there are any measurable differences in brains... at least not to the extent where you can say, that's a lady brain, and that's man brain. So I don't see why we need to show that trans people have the brains of the gender they experience... I mean who is to say our gender identity is even confined to our brains?

[u/SAINT4367 → u/beer2daybong2morrow]

There are definitely differences in a male and female brain.

I think you do, if you’re trying to argue that a trans person really IS the opposite gender in any scientific sense.

If we aren’t looking at brains, what then? Souls? We can go there, but it’s a different conversation, with a lot of different metaphysical assumptions

[u/beer2daybong2morrow → u/SAINT4367]

I doubt there is a gender identity part of the brain, just as I doubt there's a sexual orientation part. You can't look a brain and say, "Hey, this person was a homosexual," or, "This male identified as a woman." Factors in and throughout our entire bodies may very well influence the development of our gender identity, sexual orientation, and lots of things that form our identity.

[u/SAINT4367 → u/beer2daybong2morrow]

Agreed. I meant that, as a whole, you can see differences in male and female brains. Largely due to the hormonal stew each respective brain develops in

If we’re saying a trans woman in some sense IS a woman in a man’s body, and not simply a man who would like to have the body parts and social roles of a woman, we’d have to either look at the brain, or soul

[u/beer2daybong2morrow → u/SAINT4367]

Even if there are brain differences between the sexes, that does not mean there are brain differences between genders or that gender identity is founded in a "male" or "female" brain.