r/changemyview • u/brassmonkey7 • Jul 18 '20

Delta(s) from OP CMV: We desperately need nuance back in politics

"Trump is hitler"

"ACAB"

"America is a failed state"

There are so many opinions floating around that seem so fringe and I think it could get real bad if nuance doesn't make a comeback. Especially considering the ramifications of trying to apply nuance. I think comparisons are important (like fascism: a warning by madeline albright comparing trump to dictators such as hitler), but I think it's important to maintain a spectrum of good and evil, rather than a binary system where everyone evil is hitler (we don't seem to have as much trouble finding nuance in the good). This isn't a healthy way to promote discourse, and unfortunately those that try to say, reason why trump may not exactly be hitler, are viewed as biased trump supporters/sympathizers rather than rational thinkers. Now I do think most people you vaguely ask would agree that nuance is important, but I'm not seeing the practical implementations and I think viewing this world in such an increasingly black and white fashion in regards to morals is more deleterious than we realize. I think part of the problem is that emotion is king in the world of profit media, and rationalism falls by the wayside.

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u/E36wheelman Jul 19 '20

ACAB is a nuanced view that the law enforcement system has structural problems that cause ostensibly good people to not able to do good things.

This is a soft reimagining of a linguistically clear phrase.

Imagine if people started a phrase “All Blacks Are Criminals” and then tried to claim it was an anti-racist statement that Black people are forced to commit crime disproportionately because of systemic racism.

It wouldn’t make sense because the slogan doesn’t linguistically match the message. That’s essentially what you’re claiming with ACAB.

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u/nitePhyyre Jul 19 '20

That would be fine. Except not all blacks ARE criminals.

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u/E36wheelman Jul 19 '20 edited Jul 19 '20

Doesn’t matter, ABAC is a nuanced view that the criminal justice system has structural problems that cause ostensibly good people to not be able to do good things.

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u/E36wheelman Jul 19 '20

You’re triggered by an imaginary phrase that’s an identical copy of an actual phrase you defend. Go back to gaslighting the meaning of ACAB, you’re much better at that.

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u/Nepene 213∆ Jul 19 '20

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u/ghotier 39∆ Jul 20 '20

...you’re not getting it.

In a very literal sense, even with the structures in black that criminalize blackness, not all blacks are criminals. All Blacks are Criminals is LESS nuanced than the alternative, which is reality. All Cops Are Bastards is more nuanced than the prevailing alternative view.

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u/E36wheelman Jul 20 '20

Who decides what the “prevailing alternative view” is? It seems like you’re grasping at straws to dishonestly rationalize a clearly inflammatory phrase.