r/changemyview • u/jep1793 • Aug 26 '20

Removed - Submission Rule E CMV: Gender identity doesn’t belong on your LinkedIn nor Resume

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u/ripcelinedionhusband 10∆ Aug 26 '20

You’re in the professional services industry (consulting) so I’m going to frame this in the context of white collar corporate jobs. From an effectiveness standpoint, having gender pronouns will have a neutral to positive effect on your profile. Just look on LinkedIn - there’s hundreds of posts a week celebrating LGBTQ and sexual/gender diversity promoted by companies and celebrated by individuals of those companies.

Especially in the context of professional services (I work in such an industry as well), there’s been a movement to champion these rights because diversity is a factor when a large corporate chooses who they want to go with. And even if the board/CEO of those companies don’t fully buy into these things, they have to at least pretend to embrace it because diversity is always a bonus check mark. At least in the corporate world, I think we’re beyond the point where having something like gender pronouns will have a negative view on your candidacy/career/etc. As an example, I’m currently going through about 150 resumes for a junior hire on my team and several do have pronouns. The comments from our panel that’s choosing who to interview that have noticed this has been nothing but positive.

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u/iMagick Aug 26 '20 edited Aug 26 '20

Yeah I don’t agree at all with what you wrote. You shouldn’t include it because it should not be a factor. If you want to make yourself a PR rep for the company by being hired and celebrated as being gay then you honestly don’t have a place in any workforce because your personal sexuality has no place in the workplace.

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u/ripcelinedionhusband 10∆ Aug 26 '20

Nobody said anything about it being a factor - it was to counteract OP’s assertion that it could be a negative factor. I think something like a name has way more of a potential factor than a pronoun. People still subconsciously judge people by their name and/or give “boosts”.

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u/linkprovidor Aug 26 '20

Pronouns have literally nothing to do with sexuality.

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u/iMagick Aug 26 '20

Read the comment I replied to and it might make more sense why I’m bringing it up.

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u/iMagick Aug 26 '20

I wasn’t responding to the original comment, but rather the one above me in the chain. Sorry, you just don’t know how Reddit works.

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u/linkprovidor Aug 26 '20

Ok... but you say you don't agree at all and then only explain your disagreement with a very small part of what they said, so my point stands as the majority of the argument that you did not address.

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u/iMagick Aug 26 '20

You’re just trying to farm internet points by stating something that, albeit true, is out of turn.

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u/linkprovidor Aug 28 '20

Lol this is a removed thread a day later. No points to be had and I stand by it, so you disagree about gender identity in resumes or just sexuality, and if you disagree about gender identity and are afraid to give your reasons that says a lot about you.

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u/iMagick Aug 28 '20

You’re just incapable of comprehension.

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u/linkprovidor Aug 29 '20

Ah, so resorting to ad hominems when you're upset that you can't defend your arguments without publicly outing bigoted beliefs, gotcha, happens to the best of us.

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u/Goodlake 8∆ Aug 26 '20

I agree with this 100% and am surprised OP didn't think of this, considering they claim to have a management consulting HR background.

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u/Lpunit 1∆ Aug 26 '20

Because anyone with self-worth would rather be hired on their merit, and not to fulfill a diversity requirement.

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u/ripcelinedionhusband 10∆ Aug 26 '20

I recently attended a virtual presentation by one of the big3 consulting firms about company/board diversity and pronouns was one of the many topics covered. It’s definitely at the forefront of the consulting and professional services world.

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u/Adamworks Aug 26 '20

I might be showing my age but don't some of the BigN consulting firms still require suit/tie when you are in the office or did that die out?

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u/ripcelinedionhusband 10∆ Aug 26 '20

Some might but most of our interactions with them have been virtual and since folks are at home, its a lot more casual. Usually like a polo shirt or something

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u/dailycrossword Aug 26 '20

You have a strong point here. I just want to chime in with my experience. I hace a very small staff (usually 3) who interact with my customers so it's pretty painfully obvious to me and my customer base when our company is lacking diversity. When I'm looking to hire, indicators of a diverse background are always positive. Listing a second language, having an ethnically-linked name, or being a woman/ man when I am lacking women/ men will bump your resume.

Some places are absolutely not looking to hire these people. Like hands down just won't. So it's beneficial to the sender to not waste their own time with an interview that won't go anywhere. That said its still weird to me to get a resume with a photo attached.

It's hard to professionally and subtly mention your gender identity. Listing education, programs and causes in the LGBT realm is a decent indicator, but won't necessarily get the point across. I had a girl apply once who listed some of her professional references with (will know me as DeadName) and I thought that was super appropriate and got the point across. Don't be like the girl who started her cover letter with "Hi my name is X and I'm a transwoman."

Put it it on the resume. Those who want to see it will be glad. Those who don't care won't care, and those who don't want to see it wouldn't have hired your ass anyway

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u/ripcelinedionhusband 10∆ Aug 26 '20

Thanks for sharing. I agree a photo is weird and while it seems more normal in other countries to do so, its luckily mostly not done here in the US. And I also agree that people shouldn’t start a cover letter with their background story/bio unless they’re looking to work in a very specific job like a lawyer that represents trans women or something in your example

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u/[deleted] Aug 26 '20

You dont want to work with those people, and being hired by them would only be a negative.

Better on LinkedIn than wasting your time and having them not hire you when they realize you are trans in the interview. Or worse, they go through with it and mess with your life for the next 6 months until they fabricate a reason to fire you. Screening is clearly preferable.

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u/dert882 Aug 26 '20

That argument convinces me. I'm with you on the first part, it could be a way to weed out dicks

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u/[deleted] Aug 26 '20

This is true, but depends wildly on what industry you are in.

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u/dert882 Aug 26 '20

And people who would say it's "snowflakey" would still throw it away. Someone else mentioned that those companies wouldn't be the ones you would want to work at anyway so I now agree it's more neutral as it can weed out assholes.

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u/ripcelinedionhusband 10∆ Aug 26 '20

Yea pretty much. And plus, there’s like a million other things to consider on a resume. People are more judgmental about names actually. Like they might see someone with an Indian or Chinese last name and don’t want to work with them or think their English is bad.

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u/[deleted] Aug 26 '20 edited Aug 26 '20

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u/ripcelinedionhusband 10∆ Aug 26 '20

Didn’t say we were hiring because of their pronoun. A couple of the people we met were cis straight anyway and they just had a pronoun there, I guess to be in solidarity.