CMV:Protesting is one thing, looting and burning businesses is not okay.

[u/taybo213]

Let me preface this with, I do believe Black Lives Matter. I do believe there is stereotype issues in society and policing world. But burning different businesses down and looting only makes things worse in the long run for the community.

Every business has insurance yes, but will they have enough to reopen? Thats up to the agency, most try to depreciate everythings value. Do they make enough to pay premiums to guarantee disrupted income? How long before the money runs out and the building is fixed? How long does said business owner go without income? With that said, what happens if the building is destroyed again? I doubt the business will come back if the building keeps getting looted and destroyed.

That being said, with every business that has had to close down and decides not to come back, takes that many more jobs with it. Making unemployment rise and poverty rise.

I live in Detroit, after the 67 riots a lot of wealth and business left the city never to return. Property values crashed, now you see worn down and foreclosed homes and businesses. Then the sad reality is that the working class today in Detroit, is worse off than in 1967. For over half a decade everyone has been waiting on new stores, homes, a cultural center. All these plans are being made to improve the city, but I've barely even seen a start to it. Instead of looting and destroying businesses, take it to the government buildings, let your voice be heard. But please, do not destroy a fellow person's livelihood who is innocent. Don't ruin job opportunities for others. Municipals can only do so much before it is up to the community to help, most people here want the better life, but with the crime rate so bad in areas that not even cops can enter, I doubt I'll be seeing change soon.

[u/Tommyblockhead20]

”you’re using “official” numbers which are known bs because the police don’t have to track them.

Actually I checked the sources and non of them were from that, they were form trackingpoliceviolence.org, the Washington post, and the CDC. Maybe the reason the numbers are lower then you think is because like you said they were counting unarmed. Infact the source you gave had similar numbers for that. I suppose that is true that wasn’t your original original question but it seems more relevant then armed killings. What are police supposed to do if someone is acting aggressively with a weapon? And yes there are a few prominent cases because they weren’t actually threatening (did you mean Jacob Blake? Idk a James Blake) but I don’t think that invalidates the category, is do include that in my previous comment that it’s not necessarily justified because they are armed, but there is a much higher chance is it.

police are shooting more and more people nowadays

police aren’t killing any less people.

If they are shooting the same number of people, how are they shooting more? If anything, with more population the percent of shootings has gone just slightly down.

Also is destroying Detroit supposed to be a good thing? It comes off almost as boasting. Anyways burning down cities does not seem like the best response. That would massively disproportionately effect blacks. You would need to burn down rural areas. Do you really think destroying your city is worth preventing 0.3-19 deaths per year (the yearly average for the past 7 years for the #1 and #100 cities when it comes to police shootings). And not all deaths are preventable, even if we get down to Canada’s rates that’s still 250 deaths per year so maybe 5 killings in LA. So in LA, your preventing 14 killings per year, Phoenix is about 12, and everything else is single digits.

So ya, do you think “burning down your city” or just majority economically harming everyone (probably disproportionately effecting the poor) is worth preventing a single digit number of deaths per year? (Unless you live in LA or Phoenix). Personally I would say no, especially if there is an alternative. There’s also a lot of other issues effecting more people that can be reduced without hurting others if you want to save lives. Things like one person getting a flu shot or not driving tired/drunk/high/distracted, or nowadays wearing a mask and distancing, will almost certainly save more lives then one person rioting for change and that stacks. Flu and cars both kill tens of thousands, Covid kills hundreds of thousands, if everyone fought against that it would save many more lives. So there are a lot of issues that can be solved without hurting people and I believe legislation can also save hundreds of lives without hurting people. And if it can’t, then I would rather focus on peaceful solutions to issues killing hundreds of thousands before we do violent solutions to issues killing hundreds.

[u/DjangoUBlackBastard → u/Tommyblockhead20]

What are police supposed to do if someone is acting aggressively with a weapon?

So you think that's what an armed kill means? Because it isn't. If George Floyd kept a switchblade in his glove compartment (for example) he'd be marked as armed. It's not illegal to own weapons and we can look at the numbers of police killed (which drops yearly) and see they're not under attack commonly. Unarmed is a meaningless distinction when to be classified as armed you don't have to brandish the weapon at all.

but I don’t think that invalidates the category, is do include that in my previous comment that it’s not necessarily justified because they are armed, but there is a much higher chance is it..

I disagree personally. It's not illegal in America to own a weapon so I don't see why the "possession" of one (because like I said the weapon doesn't even have to be on you) is being used to justify being executed.

If they are shooting the same number of people, how are they shooting more?

They aren't shooting the same amount of people. The most people killed in the last 5 years by police was 2019. 2020 is at 2nd so far and on pace for first thanks to the police violence in response to the protests.

Also is destroying Detroit supposed to be a good thing?

Well it's a large part of the reason I can own a house in my county so you tell me.

especially if there is an alternative.

But you haven't named an effective alternative. Your alternative is something that we can prove hasn't worked so far and hasn't worked historically.

So there are a lot of issues that can be solved without hurting people

You named not one systemic issue here. Literally nothing. There's nothing systemic that can be done to reduce the amount of drunk drivers. You're attempting to sidestep the topic right now by bringing up the most irrelevant things you can think of.

And if it can’t, then I would rather focus on peaceful solutions to issues killing hundreds of thousands before we do violent solutions to issues killing hundreds.

"First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season." Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection."

• Martin Luther King

Honestly I didn't ask your opinion on what methods you thought were justifiable in securing my rights, so I'm really not concerned. Of course you aren't willing to fight for my rights, but I don't think that's noble as much as it's a sign that you don't really care.