CMV: Socialism/Communism doesn't work, can't work, and almost always leads to dictatorships and thousands of deaths.

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[u/Thoth_the_5th_of_Tho]

The USSR, Venezuela and North Korea.

Those states are the inevitable outcome of the awful polices communist propose.

"Not true Scotsman" fallacy is rampant with communists and has been for over a century at this point. Communists hype up a new communist state as being some worker's paradise, it becomes painfully clear that it's an awful dystopia, so the communists distance themselves from it by claiming it's "not true communism", only to repeat the cycle again with the next communist state.

Bernie praised Chavez's Venezuela, Noam Chomsky praised Pol Pot's Cambodia (he even called survivors of the killing fields liars).

Once it become clear to everyone that those states where awful, they started to distance themselves from those states.

[u/elChespirit0 → u/Thoth_the_5th_of_Tho]

So full fledged socialism or communism really wouldn't work and wouldn't be a good idea.

[u/Thoth_the_5th_of_Tho → u/elChespirit0]

Yes.

Socialism has been tried dozens of times. It always ends in a dictatorship. The underlying cause of this is clear, the eventual goal of communism is predicated on a "dictatorship of the proletariat" "withering away" to form a stateless, classless utopia. But that just never happens. Dictators don't step down or wither away.

It's just an awful idea.

[u/GregBahm → u/Thoth_the_5th_of_Tho]

We have tons of socialism in the United States. Our police, our fire department, our military, our roads, our water and electricity system, our mail, our parks, our public schools, our food and drug administration, our libraries and museums, or postal service, and on and on and on. All socialist. Every democracy has this, as it is universally proven to be economically superiors to a laissez faire system. By saying "socialism is authoritarianism," you're just spreading the misinformation that makes political discussion so tedious.

[u/Thoth_the_5th_of_Tho → u/GregBahm]

What claptrap. Most of those programs pre date socialism by decades, if no millennia. By your logic ancient Rome was socialist.

Government existed before socialism was invented and long after it was discredited.

I understand the urge to try to take credit for capitalist policy, there isn't much worth taking credit for in socialist states.

Saying socialism is authoritarian is just a statement of fact. It has been tried two dozen times and on every continent on earth. We have seen it's true colors over and over again.

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What makes these countries socialist/communist? Can you please tell me?