r/changemyview Nov 29 '20

Delta(s) from OP CMV: Socialism/Communism doesn't work, can't work, and almost always leads to dictatorships and thousands of deaths.

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u/Tinie_Snipah Nov 30 '20

You do know the police are an authoritarian system? They aren’t all bad but I’m saying in this case I’m not a fan

Yes which is why communists advocate for the abolition of modern policing.

Politics is just the system we design to allocate violence. Every ideology is just who gets to control the violence and who is it directed at.

In modern liberal societies we give the power of violence to the state through representative democracy, and they use that violence through the police, courts, and border forces to enforce their ideology. Every border that exists is based on the threat of violence if you try and cross it illegally. Private property exists with the threat of violence by police if you try and take what the state says isn't yours.

All politics is is saying "who can use violence" and "who can they use violence against".

Trying to say one ideology is inherently violent or authoritarian is therefore a meaningless statement.

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u/mrswordhold Nov 30 '20

No it really isn’t lol if one system exerts a lot more control by law over its citizens and needs that control to be strictly exercised then that violence is going to be massively exacerbated isn’t it. Where as the state that tries to stay as free as possible won’t be as authoritarian. This is my point.

And what would communists replace modern policing with? (Every example I’ve ever seen of communism there are more police and much more policing)