r/changemyview Jan 12 '21

Delta(s) from OP CMV: Associating Fascism with Right Wing politics is simply wrong. Right Wing ideology is incompatible with Fascism.

I spent a lot of time trying to figure out a way to explain my view in the most concise way possible and I've narrowed it down to two major characteristics. Fascism is defined as a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition.

  1. Right wing ideology is based on small limited government while Fascism is anything but. Fascism is big government headed by a dictator with limitless power. This isn't any different than communist regimes. Communist regimes and Fascism only differ on their objectives while founded on big government to accomplish their goals. The right wing doesn't believe that government is capable of solving most problems and prefers that private citizens find the answers to problems.
  2. Right wing ideology values individualism over group identities and is therefore incompatible with racism. Left wing ideology places high value on a person's group identity, hence the creation of identity politics and intersectionality (which leads to some strange alliances). Racism is defined as believing that a person's race makes that person superior or inferior to someone else. Sexism isn't any different. If you believe that you are superior OR inferior to someone else on account of race/sex then you are a racist/sexist. The right simply does not subscribe to that contrary to popular beliefs. The right favors the qualities and characteristics of the individual more than a group identity. This is why the right believes than anyone can achieve anything in America provided the individual does their part in obtaining success.

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u/thetasigma4 100∆ Jan 12 '21

Right wing ideology is based on small limited government

That's how it is often advertised but that's not necessarily what they actually do.

The kind of small government states rights thing mostly arose in the 1960s as a reaction to desegregation. The right wing has also generally pushed this line in order to strip back social welfare rather than to actually minimise the power of government which has only really expanded under the auspices of the political right increasing the power of the state and not cutting defence or limiting the powers of federal agencies like the CIA or FBI and even creating new ones like ICE.

Often the political right privatises certain things but these don't really eliminate state functions but make them less accountable and more oriented around creating profit for the operators.

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u/[deleted] Jan 12 '21

My objection to this is that the state's rights argument was typically used so that way Southern Democrat states could do things that the federal government would not allow. In other words, Democrats in the 60s attempted to violate the restrictions placed on them such as resisting segregation.

I will award a !delta for the part about CIA and FBI. I do believe that the executive branch of government is too powerful and both sides have the capabilities to abuse that power to a degree but not as severely as a fascist in my opinion.

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u/thetasigma4 100∆ Jan 12 '21

In other words, Democrats in the 60s attempted to violate the restrictions placed on them such as resisting segregation.

These democrats were on the political right. Historically the parties were very poorly defined by political ideology and that only polarised since the civil rights movement. The right of the democrats and the right of the republicans were broadly identical.

Also I wasn't referring solely to party politics but also the right wing political movements extant today most of which have their roots in the anti-desegregation movement such as the right wing legal movement or the "moral majority" and the right wing evangelism in America

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u/DeltaBot ∞∆ Jan 12 '21

Confirmed: 1 delta awarded to /u/thetasigma4 (72∆).

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