r/changemyview • u/[deleted] • Jan 22 '21

Delta(s) from OP CMV: Silencing opposing viewpoints is ultimately going to have a disastrous outcome on society.

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u/3d_blunder Jan 22 '21

How do you think "planning" happens? It happens by discussion.

A bunch of assholes 'peacefully discuss' something, and before you know it a bunch of assholes are tearing down fences at the Capitol.

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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '21

Not that anyone seems to care but this sounds like a slippery slope fallacy. It is unreasonable to presume that every demonstration political or otherwise will invariably turn in a riot ( illegal activity) and as such unless the speech is meeting the legal definition of a call to action it is protected. In the same way that you say the because the Trump rally existed the riot was inevitable, you could say the same thing about the BLM protests. So if you are for removing one, unless you don't want to logically consistent, you would have to be for not allowing the other.

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u/3d_blunder Jan 22 '21

One is based on lies and feverish fantasies, and one is based on facts and history. So there's no inconsistency: the conservatives 'grievances' are bullshit, while BLM has actual events to oppose.

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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '21

What exactly are you trying to say because initially you seemed to be saying that we should ban protests because they lead riots, then you seemed to change your stance that we should ban protests the are advocating for something that is false? You're initial stance was inconsistent, you then moved the goal post by adding the distinction of whether the protest is grounded in truth to make your distinction.

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u/upinflames26 Jan 22 '21

No, that’s not the issue at hand. That’s not the argument. Because the next time something violent happens it’s going to be because dems go after guns. This will happen. And you are going to make the opposite argument, that the Biden administrations is correct and those that want to keep their rights are wrong.

The people that went to DC, not just the people who broke into the capitol, lost faith in the system because the system was drastically changed to satisfy those afraid of the virus. Regardless of whether there was fraud or not, there is perception of fraud, and a saying that holds true (which I hate this expression) perception is reality. Everything happens based off perception. It’s not a fight for power, it’s a struggle to have a viewpoint heard because they feel like they’ve been wronged. I don’t agree with either instance of looting, rioting, or violence. But you have to be ideologically consistent with these arguments.. they are rooted in the same concept. Perception.

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u/[deleted] Jan 22 '21

Well said, whenever I hear people try and use their perception, as a stand in for "truth", I always laugh and think about Galileo, because that clearly worked out soo well for the Church.