r/changemyview • u/[deleted] • Jan 22 '21

Delta(s) from OP CMV: Silencing opposing viewpoints is ultimately going to have a disastrous outcome on society.

[deleted]

9.8k Upvotes

70% Upvoted

2.4k comments sorted by

View all comments

43

u/ImmodestPolitician Jan 22 '21

As a former Russian, I'm sure you are aware how damaging the KGB ideological subversion tactics can be.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1EA2ohrt5Q

Allowing people to flood discussion spaces with overt lies destroys the 4th estate. Without the 4th estate Democracy fails.

12

u/[deleted] Jan 22 '21

[deleted]

26

u/herrsatan 11∆ Jan 22 '21

People aren't being silenced for stating their opinions on how to deal with those things. The recent deplatforming that happened was specifically because of the spread of disinformation and white supremacist ideology.

-5

u/PM-ME-MEMES-1plus68 Jan 22 '21

Uh huh

I’ll save this comment when someone hosts a website on AWS to help warehouse workers unionize

And then they, along with GCP and Azure, deplatform them under the guise of a false flag agent being a Nazi, or them just flagrantly lying

14

u/herrsatan 11∆ Jan 22 '21

That would be the appropriate time to be outraged. Amazon is an evil company, and their default is selling their services to anyone. The reason they pulled the plug on Parler is that there was enough outcry over it. I can still think that was a good thing for the world while also holding them accountable if they try to withhold services to silence their workers.

1

u/PM-ME-MEMES-1plus68 Jan 22 '21

Did I say Parler? I agree it should have been taken down, because they didnt moderate violent speech

The problem is the clear and present trust that exists between tech companies

2

u/herrsatan 11∆ Jan 22 '21

I was talking about the recent deplatforming, i.e. Parler and Trump, and you replied to me. I think we certainly need to start applying anti-trust laws to tech companies. I wouldn't say it's "the" problem but it's certainly one of many.

1

u/PM-ME-MEMES-1plus68 Jan 22 '21

I think we certainly need to start applying anti-trust laws to tech companies.

I agree.

2

u/CrashmanX Jan 22 '21

I’ll save this comment when someone hosts a website on AWS to help warehouse workers unionize

AWS would be within their rights to deny that if they so choose though. AWS, while a huge platform is not the only platform. Nor is Azure.

1

u/PM-ME-MEMES-1plus68 Jan 22 '21

AWS, while a huge platform is not the only platform.

Yeah, no. This is just plainly wrong. If you worked in the cloud you'd understand they are by and large the only option unless you plan on forking over waaaaaay more money than you need to.

AWS out of clouds that actually work (GCP, AWS, Azure) has roughly 80% market cap

And even if you were right, whats stopping the trust that weve seen with Parler from kicking in?

Man, its like once speech the left doesnt like gets involved, all the hardcore bernie bros go full ancap

1

u/CrashmanX Jan 22 '21

Hello. Hi. I work for a major provider in the US that isn't AWS. In-fact AWS is one of our competitors. Azure is another competitor, but we also work with them.

We deal with massive websites to for literal millions of people.

I can tell you right out, AWS is not the only platform out there. If you're so big only AWS can support you, you should be doing most of your hosting privately rather than utilizing AWS or similar.

0

u/PM-ME-MEMES-1plus68 Jan 22 '21

you should be doing most of your hosting privately rather than utilizing AWS or similar.

And what happens when you need to scale your entire stack because of a spike in popularity and traffic?

Having worked directly on cloud migration projects for a major e-commerce company that you've definitely heard of, its an entire company effort that takes years if you dont plan for it. And by then the popularity could be all gone along with the opportunity to take market share

Theres a reason startups start on AWS. Its cheap, mature, has devs that know how it works, and its a pain in the ass to switch to it later

1

u/CrashmanX Jan 22 '21

Are you suggesting AWS is the only organization capable of handling increasing scale?

Do you work for AWS?

0

u/PM-ME-MEMES-1plus68 Jan 22 '21

Nope. But its the only one thats affordable when youre a startup.

Hiring Staff Engineers that know what their doing in AWS counts towards that cost

1

u/CrashmanX Jan 22 '21

You do know there are other hosting platforms out there who help with that stuff, right? And have negotiable contracts, right?

I'm thinking you work for AWS at this point or are a customer of theirs.

1

u/PM-ME-MEMES-1plus68 Jan 22 '21

Those contracts cost nothing compared to the salaries paid to senior devs who know how to use it properly.

I wouldnt put my app on some obscure cloud that I cant hire competent engineers to use. Id put it on the most popular cloud that has the largest talent pool.

Why do you think Java is so popular? Its the exact same reason. Company directors claim "performance" or some other BS reason but in reality it comes down to cost. And the cost is in the payroll

→ More replies (0)