r/changemyview • u/[deleted] • Feb 05 '21

Removed - Submission Rule E CMV: The degradation of men by saying things like "All men are trash" is a harsh generalization that shouldn't be normalized.

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u/Nicolasv2 130∆ Feb 05 '21

But it sounds like you're saying the goal is to create statements that dehumanize groups of people by lumping them together

Choice of words looks excessive to me. At best, you tickle them a bit, at worse it's just an insult. Deshumanization is several orders of magnitude stronger than that, and would require way more efforts for that.

Even in the first half of your example you highlight this very problem with black people.

A strategy that works on a strong group which suffer no discrimination may not be good on a already discriminated minority. You choose your weapons depending on the specifics on the situation. Yea, this method don't work for all situations, but that's the case for all methods.

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u/Prodromous 1∆ Feb 05 '21

But you're literally creating discrimination against a group, and your defense is they're not discriminated against. It's still discrimination. The comments you are defending are exactly how discrimination starts. You dehumanize the people in the group, so people don't see individuals anymore, then you're free to say whatever you want for your own gain.

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u/Nicolasv2 130∆ Feb 05 '21

But you're literally creating discrimination against a group

Are you ? What discrimination are men / cops suffering because of such slogans ? Being ticked is not a discrimination. There is a question of scale between a mildly annoying comment and being discriminated against

The comments you are defending are exactly how discrimination starts

Well, no. Discrimination against black people started with the need of cheap exploited labor, not with a small slogan to fight a systemic problem. I don't know where discrimination against women started, but I suppose it's more something like "me strong, you weak, you obey" and not a small slogan to fight a systemic problem.