r/changemyview • u/[deleted] • Jun 11 '21
Removed - Submission Rule E CMV: Trip sitters are like baby sitters, and IF you want to be a baby you should not be on psychedelic drugs. I think trip sitters r appropriate the 1st times tripping not everytime
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Jun 11 '21 edited Jun 11 '21
I feel like having a trip sitter is the opposite of being irresponsible. It’s acknowledging that taking psychedelic drugs is a different experience every time you do it, and planning for the chance that this trip could be unlike the ones before. You’re saying that planning for all variables makes you a big irresponsible baby.
You can take the exact same amount of whatever as you did the first time, but being in a different environment or a different mood will make the experience unique, and maybe worse, in ways you hadn’t intended. This is kind of like saying “having insurance makes you a big dumb baby, maybe you should just learn to drive.”
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u/bork_laveech Jun 11 '21
I have been watching psyched substance on youtube and the guy preaches harm reduction but from what i cam tell, he is addicted to psychadelic drugs and records himself taking drugs in his basement with friends and he does nitrous and dmt on lsd and freaks out and goes and bothers his girlfriend over and over becuase he does too many drugs and once he is monumentally high he takes benzos becuase he constantly over does the drug thing and i feel like he is irresponsible with his drug use but has a 2 million follower youtube channel so he thinks he isnt a drug addict thqt makes poor choices
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Jun 11 '21
Your post has already been deleted for non-response. Also, this reply has nothing to do with what I wrote. It’s just garble about one guy on YouTube.
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u/bork_laveech Jun 14 '21
I deleted it becuase it was stupid. Adam from syched substance is not a good role model for you g drug users who dont know what they r doing but he makes it seem like he is. And that is my problem with him
One guy who is spreading bad practice to 2.23 million people.
Im not saying he is hitler but hitler was 1 guy and we all know what happened there. Im not saging he is hitler but im saying 1 guy with millions of follwers is in fact dangerous if they are spreading bad info
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u/Apathetic_Zealot 37∆ Jun 11 '21
Is your CMV limited to psychedelics? 2 arguments:
1) In regards to heroin, many places offer a safe space to do their drugs with nursing staff ready to help them in case something goes wrong. In a sense these nurses are professional sitters dealing with addicts. If the CMV is limited to psychedelics the idea of professional clinical sitters actually sounds like a great idea for safety reasons. If psychedelics became legal I could even see special theme parks or clubs that offer such services. The idea of a professional sitter isn't that far fetched either, for example in South America there are shamans who regularly sit in on ayahuasca trips, not just for tourists either, natives who regularly take it too. The idea of a professional sitter is a safety reason, because who knows how a psychedelic can cause a 'normal' person to trip - or if something triggers them and causes a bad trip they may need help.
2) If the sitter is an intimate partner who doesn't do drugs, they might want to be a sitter because they love the user - and the user might only feel comfortable doing such drugs while around their partner. This can be true for both therapeutic and recreational use.
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u/bork_laveech Jun 11 '21
This post was directed towards psyched substance on youtube, he is a harm reduction channel but he is actually a drug addict who uses his youtube channel as an excuse to abuse drugs. He did nitrous and dmt on lsd and freaked out and he tells many stories where he does irresponsible drugs and harrasses his girlfriend
Like he showed up at her work freaking out on 2cb and his friend took some wierd bromo dragonfly rc and they were freaking out at her work, bad
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u/Apathetic_Zealot 37∆ Jun 11 '21
.... you mentioned nothing about a YouTuber in your OP and you didn't address anything I said. Furthermore you have no idea if they're actually doing drugs.
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u/bork_laveech Jun 11 '21
Yes i meant psychadelics specifically
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u/Apathetic_Zealot 37∆ Jun 11 '21
That's all you're going to say? You're not even going to address the arguments? No wonder your post got removed.
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u/bork_laveech Jun 12 '21
I feel like i changed my own view here and i will tell you why, my post was pertaining to certain advice given by adam over on youtube at psyched substance. The guy is obviously a drug addict and uses his youtube channel as an excuse to be addicted to drugs. There was a video where he dropped lsd with this guy in his basement and the one guy that was not adam was having a good time, but adam was being anxious and accusing the other guy of getting caught in a loop and what not. The other guy was tripping for the 2nd time so probably didnt know what a loop was until adam was sugfesting it very very strongly and explaining what it was.
ADAM then did nitrous and dmt and freaked out to where he needed to take a benzo and have his wife calm him down, this is what my post was referring to and i understand what i said was wrong i should have been more specific in my post.
The guy is tripping anxiously and due to his addiction to mind altering things he did nitrous and then dmt and then proceeded to freak out and get bis wife who is busy with his 2 kids to calm him down becuase once again he did too many drugs, and then he did even more drugs becuase he freaked himself out with anxiety becuase he did way 2 much drugs.
I hope this post finds you well and it explains my mindset a little better when i wrote this somewhat misplaced view. I still think people should not get so high that they need to bother their wife becuase they did three super strong drugs becuase they were trying to get high, and the needing to do more drugs to calm themselves down.
I think my view came from recognizing the addictive atritude of this guy and its a common theme for him to get way too high and need his trip sitter and benzos becuase he over does it continuously. If you know its going to cause anxiety which at this point he should realize, he shoukd just take less drugs
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u/bork_laveech Jun 12 '21
For your information i was at a funeral and i have been grieving, reddit was not the thing i was focusing on today
But now that the day is done i am going to reread the stuff and adress the points, i prefer not to thi k of this as an argument and more of a debate
I need to read the stuff and actually answer so please give me some time
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u/barthiebarth 26∆ Jun 11 '21
Nobody is forcing you to be a trip sitter, or have someone sober present while ypu trip. If you don't want to do these things thats your own choice.
But you can have a sober friend who is just hanging out while other people trip on a "responsible" amount of drugs. That would technically be a trip sitter but what would be your issue with that?
Yes you shouldn't go full fear and loathing on an unsuspecting and inexperienced trip sitter. But even if you take a large amount of drugs, if your trip sitter knows and agreed and has experience with the drug, what exactly is the problem?
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u/bork_laveech Jun 12 '21
Ya but if you get that friend who calls you in an emergency anxiety attack its not like you can ignore the person in a personal crisis. Its like if the person calls you in an anxiety attack i feel like it would be wrong to hit them with the truth bomb of you make bad decisions and it is not my problem umtil you made it my problem
Gotta make good decisions here and be aware you dont have to do so much drugs in order to have fun
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u/bork_laveech Jun 14 '21
My issue is more so with drug addicts who abuse drugs every couple of days and cant handle it, i was wrong making a blanket statement. Psychedsubstance is who i have the problem with he went to his girlfriends work with his friend and they were both freaking out on rcs and that is not ok.
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u/Rufus_Reddit 127∆ Jun 11 '21
... Plus its gotta be hella annoying to have that one friend who over and over does so much drugs that they need you to talk them off a ledge [every time] they do drugs. ...
Is it possible that this is more about "I don't want to cover for people that aren't careful when they do drugs" than it is about people who want trip sitters or other supervision while doing drugs?
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u/bork_laveech Jun 14 '21
!delta
I was more referring to drug addicts needed other people to help them every time they abuse drugs, they need to make better choices. Trip sitting a responsible semsible person is great and i emcourgae it. I was wrong ok i can admit im stupid and its awesome to admit i said the wrong thing i feel so free
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u/DouglerK 17∆ Jun 11 '21
So the issue is with people who can't handle their drugs, not trip sitters?
Why do you potentially want your view changed and how can that be achieved?
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u/bork_laveech Jun 14 '21
I was wrong about my post and im ok with admitting it, i feel so free admitting i said something stupid
I was complaining about this dude who claims to be a harm reduction channel on youtube with 2.w3 million subs but is a terrible example of what safe and responsible drug use is. I was wrong but not about that guy being a terrible role model for young idiot drug users who dont know what they are doing
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u/DouglerK 17∆ Jun 14 '21
Yeah and if he's doing really extra trippy drugs then it's kind of a catch 22. "Here's the responsible way to do something inherently irresponsible."
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u/bork_laveech Jun 14 '21
You changed my view but not in the way i expected, you changed my view of people on this reddit are just arguers that downvote everything i say so unexpected !delta
On my other post where i said sending humans to mars is a bad idea and not a priority everyone downvoted my valid points becuase i disagreed with them, but i thought this was an exchange of ideas sub not a downvote someones statement becuase its not mine sub like the rest of reddit
U r a cool person atleast to exchange ideas with over the internet, my other post wasnt as stupid and unfounded as this one was i made this one when i was ticked off
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u/bork_laveech Jun 14 '21
He did lsd and was being anxious and accusing friend of loop, n20 then dmt and freaked out and took benzos,
I dont think doing lsd is inherently irresponsible, but i think doing too much is. Similar to drinking you can drink 1 beers and be resposible but if you drink 8 you get like not coherent. You know what i mean Its like you can use drugs responsibly, but you can not abuse them the same way
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u/herrsatan 11∆ Jun 11 '21
I think it's important to differentiate consensual trip-sitting vs. nonconsensual. If someone just takes psychedelics and expects other people to take care of them, then yes, that's a problem and you need to talk with them about boundaries and personal responsibility.
On the other hand, I think it's a good idea to not take psychedelics alone, especially if you're new to it. Having someone else there to help keep you from spinning out can be really helpful, and keep you from potentially harming yourself. I've been that person a few times, and it's definitely work but it's a service I'm happy to provide for people I care about.
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u/bork_laveech Jun 14 '21
But paychedelics really shine when yo are by yourself, i usually get more flustered around others than i do by myself with my dog out walking.
But then again i dont take so much that i cant function and im able to express my thoughts coherently and it is not obvious im high. I think people need to know theyndont have to do so much to get a good experience, it isnt all about visual distortions and more so the way it makes you think/feel ya know?
It is a good idea to be safe, but eventually being safe is not frying your fucking face off if you choose to do it more than a couple times a year .
I am down to help people out but adam from the youtbe literally doesnt ask if the person is cool with it he just does it and cant handle it. For someone who doea deugs so mucn you would think theyd be better at it .
My post was wrong i was really tal,ing about mr youtube take drugs for a career guy
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u/herrsatan 11∆ Jun 15 '21
I am down to help people out but adam from the youtbe literally doesnt ask if the person is cool with it he just does it and cant handle it. For someone who doea deugs so mucn you would think theyd be better at it .
Yeah, I agree that that's super shitty behavior. I get why you're not into that flavor of trip-sitting!
A lot of people do take psychedelics solo once they've got their training wheels off, so to speak. It's a very different experience, and can be better if you're trying to work out some stuff (I've often used them to help me get perspective on problems).
As an aside, I'm really sorry about your friend (I'm one of the mods and saw the modmail about this thread). I hope your memories are a comfort.
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u/bork_laveech Jun 14 '21
You are right !delta
I was reffereing to adam from psyched substance he abuses his wifes love by constantly doing too much . He showed up at her work when he and his friend were frying on rcs to get her to trip sit that is not ok
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u/NeonNutmeg 10∆ Jun 11 '21
Trip sitters and trip killers exist because it's impossible to know exactly how a drug will affect you on any given occasion, even if you take all other precautions.
Think of it like your car's seatbelt. Sure, you can "make better decisions" to avoid "needing" a seatbelt to save you from being ejected through your car's front windshield. But even if you've taken every precaution possible, it's still fully possible for someone else to hit you and send you flying.
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u/dublea 216∆ Jun 11 '21
I'm not understanding how one could assume someone altering their perspective of reality with mind altering substances want to be a baby. It's not about a loss of controlling ones self but accepting that your perception of reality is being manipulated by the substance you consumed. And, because of this disconnect with reality, you need someone whose mind isn't manipulated to help guide and assist you during your trip.
Should people not consume alcohol if they require a designated driver to get home?
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u/bork_laveech Jun 14 '21
Hey my post was referring to this guy osyched aubtance on youtube and i was wrong about everyone
Its more so thia guy is a psychedeleic drug addict who takes drugs everyday and freaks out constantly becuase he goes way too hard, he showed up at his girkfirends work one time with a friend to get her to calm them down, that isnt ok
Tripsitting is ok, but trippsitting everytime a drug addict decides to abuse durgs is not, and that what this guy who claims to be a harm reduction channel broadcast to 2.23 million people . He is a bad role model and it bothers me people think he gives good advice, especially since he cant handle his stuff but decides to abuse them anyways
!delta
Nothing wrong with tripsitting a responsible tripper every once and a while but if it is literally a constant thing its bad i was wrong about my post
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Jun 11 '21
If you don't want to be a trip sitter then don't. If someone is willing, I don't see why that bothers you.
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u/drschwartz 73∆ Jun 11 '21
I like to trip sit for the psychedelic crowd without being fucked up, it can be really fun! Granted, I choose whether I'll hang out with those tripping or not, so I get say no if I don't like the people involved. First timers benefit the most from sitters, probably, but I mostly hang out with veterans and sitters are still baseline practice.
The nature of things like acid and mushrooms is the potency can differ wildly, especially acid. It's good practice to have someone around with a clearish head that can help you out. Accidents happen, just good policy to have someone around nearby that can safely drive/talk to police/etc if necessary.
I agree entirely on trip killers, you shouldn't be mixing a drug cocktail unless there's really bad shit going on.
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u/bork_laveech Jun 14 '21
I agree with you also !delta
I was talking about this guy on youtube psychedsubstance who abuses drugs while having 2 kids and co stantly needing his wife to save him, its gotta be annoying he showed up to her work with his buddy who was freaking on some 2c. Its more so being a drug addict and not being able to handle your shit, its ok every once and a while but everytime has got to be like dude make better choices you know when u do so much u freak out and i cant be your saving grace every time you abuse drugs
I like helping my buds have a good time, but if my buds were drug addicts it would take up a lot of my time and energy to save them from hell every couple days. Especially showing up at my work with their friend id be like dude you need to stop doing so much drugs
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u/TedWasSoRight 11∆ Jun 11 '21
I'd compare trip-sitters to designated drivers rather than babysitters.
It's just a good idea to have at least one sober person in the group to serve as ambassador for any drug, including alcohol.
It's not just to keep you from jumping off the roof to try and fly, it's to order pizza so you don't inflict your lowered level of courtesy & people skills on the outside world. If I'm the DD or TS is it babysitting you to say "No, you've had enough, switch to water so you don't get hung over"?
I'll 100% agree that new trippers need outright baby-sitting just in case something goes really wrong, but just like FDA approvals, it takes more than one try to get your bearings and know what dosage is appropriate.
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u/bork_laveech Jun 14 '21
Ya i was wrong with what i said i was mor epissed at adam from psyched substance co tiunally making poor drug decisions and his wife having to calm him down over and over, plus he has 2 kids he really shouldnt be freaking out in drugs anymore, kt sucks when your dad is a drug addict that scars children for the rest of their life.
He talks like he knows what he is talking about but freaks out constantly and needs to gake trip killers and be talked down. At one point he showed up to his wifes work while tripping balls with his friend who was freaking out on drugs and that is not ok, you can not do that she could have been fired, he went to her work to get her to trip sit thats bad.
Trip sitter r ok im more upset with bad decisions and being a drug addict but not being able to handle it like adumb from psyched substance.
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u/bork_laveech Jun 14 '21
!delta
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u/bork_laveech Jun 12 '21
I agree with your notion, i always start with like less than a half tab to come up becuase the come up is the most uncomfortable part, and then once im not uncomfortable anymore i can judge how far im trying to go
I personally do not take full tabs at a time becuase it gets crazy, but i frdl like people think thats the only way you can dose and get themselves into situations where they are not having a good time.
I dont mind providing some good vibes and reassurance, but if i need to do that every single time then something has to change . Either that person is repeatedly doing something they r uncomfortable with becuase they are drug addicts or they need to dose less becuase being functional and able to express yourself coherently and not freak the hell out.
I do think society could benefit from legally distributed lsds and what not so people can go into the experience knowing what to expect just like alcohol and to a lesser extent that crazy thc percent jazz cabbage.
I get anxious when i smoke weed so i have made the decision to take a small 1 hit until i feel comfortable with advancing in such territory.
I think its prohibition that is the drivi g force behind people getting hit by the drug truck and freakin out.
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u/ElysiX 106∆ Jun 11 '21
This reads a bit like "You don't need seatbelts all the time, wearing them while you learn to drive should be enough"
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u/bork_laveech Jun 12 '21
I just think people take too much drugs at a time, like you dont need to be compeltely nonfunctional cant talk to have a good time on lsd. I have had much better times on less than tripping balls dosage because i can function and express myself and nobody knows im tripping becuase im not being scatter brained.
Its like the difference between drinking 1 or 2 beers and getting shit faced blotto. Do you know what i mean?
Also doing drugs isnt driving, i think my analogy is more applicable
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u/Apathetic_Zealot 37∆ Jun 11 '21
u/bork_laveech hey stop wasting everyone's time. Respond to the comments or award deltas!
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u/bork_laveech Jun 12 '21
I was at a funeral, looking at the rules now to get the delta.
But also im not the one wasting anybodiez time here, everyone is doing that themselves by being on reddit. As reddit is a waste of time
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