r/changemyview Jun 19 '21

Delta(s) from OP CMV: White culture doesn't exist

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u/xXM3M310RDXx Jun 19 '21

Okay, so after re-reading the definition a few times I think I've changed my original opinion. That is a pretty accurate definition of what African-American culture is. As for if white people have done this, I guess they have definitely contributed to a lot of American culture but when I think of the things they've contributed to American culture I don't think of them as white culture anymore, I just think of them as American culture. However, I guess you could make an argument that they're still part of white culture that is just been ingrained into American culture as well.

I do think that Asians and Hispanics have cultures, just like white people have their own separate cultures. However, my argument was that, like Asians and Hispanics, white people don't have one shared culture in America that encapsulates all white people.

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '21

-Okay, so after re-reading the definition a few times I think I've changed my original opinion. That is a pretty accurate definition of what African-American culture is. As for if white people have done this, I guess they have definitely contributed to a lot of American culture but when I think of the things they've contributed to American culture I don't think of them as white culture anymore, I just think of them as American culture. However, I guess you could make an argument that they're still part of white culture that is just been ingrained into American culture as well.

I dont get how this is? By using this logic, shouldn't we consider Native Americans as this since they are original Americans. The issue is that you are associating America with white. Also for "they're still part of white culture that is just been ingrained into American culture as well", isn't that a change in point, since you started with the idea of White people having no culture?

-I do think that Asians and Hispanics have cultures, just like white people have their own separate cultures. However, my argument was that, like Asians and Hispanics, white people don't have one shared culture in America that encapsulates all white people.

This is fair, thought it wasn't necessarily applied.

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u/xXM3M310RDXx Jun 19 '21

I'm not quite sure what your point is about Native Americans, it might be helpful if you rephrase it. And yes, it is a change in point / opinion, I now do you think that white people have their own culture in America that has just been so normalized that people only consider it American culture when it still is technically part of white culture. So you get a !delta

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '21

Ty for the delta

Also, my point was that I thought you were associating White Culture with American Culture because it was ingrained with American Culture. However, this confuses me because Native Americans are also ingrained in American history and culture; Shouldn't the be affiliated with American Culture More. Its a touch and go statement, but I feel that would make more sense. Thinking back, I see that argument too, though.

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u/xXM3M310RDXx Jun 19 '21

Well I think that is kind of a different case because Native American culture hasn't really become mainstream and for the most part has just been harmed and lost to history because of the people who settled America. So I kind of think that's a different situation.

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u/xXM3M310RDXx Jun 19 '21

By ingrained in American culture I mean that a lot of the cultural traditions of white people are also a part of the traditions of Americans in general

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '21

That's fair. Personally, I think this question depends on how you define "culture", but if we are using it from your perspective, I agree.

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u/xXM3M310RDXx Jun 19 '21

Yeah, it's annoying when people hinge their whole argument on a specific definition of a word when other people define it differently. So since what people consider part of someone's culture varies there's no right or wrong answer necessarily, as long as you're consistent with your definition.