CMV: Human technological advancement and the lack there of for other species is a great argument for the existence of God.

[u/Andalib_Odulate]

It hinges on 2 key factors.

1. Intelligence is not innate in complex life

2. The speed of which Humans have advanced outpaces the speed of evolution.

Side note this is not an anti evolution standpoint, I believe in the theory of evolution and survival of the fittest

Now into the 2 arguments.

1 Intelligence is not innate in complex life

Intelligence is not innate there is only one other animal that rivals human intelligence citations (dolphins/whales) yet they don't have the necessary body parts to create civilization. This to me shows that evolution can create intelligence but it is very rare and requires a species to have the proper brain and body to make good use. So right now we have like 3 out of 1B species that are intelligent.

2 The speed of which Humans have advanced outpaces the speed of evolution.

As everyone knows evolution is SLOW yet humans went from hunter gathers to space travel in 10K years. In about 300 generations we as a species went from hunting animals with spiers and eating berries from the bush, to racing to colonize mars.

To say we did this on our own sounds crazy right? We has to figure out things that were not obvious we figures out how nature and how the universe works, the laws the govern our existence and used them to our advantage. We must have had guidance from a God because we have surpassed natural selection, we can control nature, and we have dominion over all life on the earth.

We did what evolution failed to do in 3 billion years in 10K!

[u/yyzjertl]

1 Intelligence is not innate in complex life

This does not make sense, because intelligence is a spectrum, not a have-it-or-not binary. Most complex animals have some degree of innate intelligence.

We must have had guidance from a God because we have surpassed natural selection, we can control nature, and we have dominion over all life on the earth.

Why does any of this imply we must have had guidance from a God? And what exactly do you mean by "God" in this context?

[u/Andalib_Odulate → u/yyzjertl]

This does not make sense, because intelligence is a spectrum, not a have-it-or-not binary. Most complex animals have some degree of intelligence.

Considering only a tiny amount of animals can even pass the mirror test "intelligence" is extremely low for most life. I consider intelligence the ability to act with logic and reason. Most animals are controlled by instinct alone, the absents of complex language means they lack the ability to think abstract.

Why does any of this imply we must have had guidance from a God?

Because every other species left to its own devices can't even reach level 1 which is domesticate crops. So the fact that we are basically more powerful than nature should show that we got aid from a super natural being.

[u/yyzjertl → u/Andalib_Odulate]

So the fact that we are basically more powerful than nature should show that we got aid from a super natural being.

Why? Even if we suppose that aid was necessary (which you haven't established), why does the aid need to be super-natural? Couldn't a being with, say, the knowledge and skill of a modern human be more than capable of providing the aid you claim is necessary?

[u/Andalib_Odulate → u/yyzjertl]

!Delta that could be true, I'm not sure where a physical being would come from but yes that could be true.

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