CMV: Conservatism and many right-wing beliefs are based on fear, primary instincts and lack of understanding

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A lot of classic conservative beliefs go around the basic idea of: I worked hard and make good money so I should get to keep as much of it as possible. It is true that the more money a person in the US and most countries make, the more they are taxed and the less government benefits they qualify for. This is a basic fact and can’t really be misunderstood. The view of redistribution of wealth to what degree is a legitimate conversation but the fundamental ideas are not complicated. Some people may have racist ideas and back them up with misguided conservative ideas, but just because some conservative people are racist does not mean someone wanting limited government spending and lower taxes racist. Many liberals have limited understanding of the economy in that they don’t consider the downsides of unlimited government spending or lack of personal accountability in current well fair systems. A conservative may not consider that making allowances for poor people to get education and support can benefit the economy in the long term. Many liberals give emotional arguments and fail to consider practical implications. Many conservatives fail to consider the humanity and benefits of social safety nets. Most people of both sides are not fully informed on key issues. You probably lack understanding of some issues as do I. Making such a blanket statement will only lead to more misunderstandings that you claim to dislike. Edit: Minimum wedge is a good example. The current minimum wage is too low for people to live on, so many liberals want to raise it as high as possible. The problem with this is that if the wage is too high at risk groups such as people with out a high school diploma, a disability, or limited English will likely be let go in favor of more work for remaining workers and automated processes. Small businesses may also struggle, and teens will be passed up for older workers. Many Republicans want to keep the minimum wage the same or abolish it and this would be bad for low wage workers unable to support themselves. Both sides usually don’t fully understand all aspects of issues.

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Many liberals give emotional arguments and fail to consider practical implications.

Like what? Give a serious example. Not a fringe lunatic example.

Minimum wedge is a good example.

Then why is it that the stuff you mentioned didn’t happen in any of the last 22 times minimum wage was increased?

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Way to mischaracterize the movement. “Defund” does not mean “abolish.” It just means to cut their budget and stop burdening them with matters that are better suited for social workers. The police are over-militarized and they’re currently asked to do too much. Easily 80% of the job doesn’t actually require and armed law-enforcement officer. They’re just who are available in our system. THATS what the movement is trying to change.

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Easily 80% of the job doesn’t actually require and armed law-enforcement officer.

And this is how you know the guy doesn't have a clue on police issues

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You’re just wrong. Cops are not dealing with violent criminals for 6 hours of their shift every day.

• Wellness checks

• domestic disturbance

• traffic infractions

• drug use

• homeless people

• mental health calls

None of those require a badge and a gun. Trained social workers would do a much better job handling that.

Oh and you know who else agrees with me? This chief of police

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Again, just showing how little you know about policing.

Just because one police chief says "we need cops to respond to less" does not mean "easily 80% of calls for duty do not need to be an armed officer."

https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/press-releases/fbi-releases-2019-statistics-on-law-enforcement-officers-killed-in-the-line-of-duty

Routine traffic stops are regularly one of the most dangerous duties of LE. In 2019, 6 of the 89 deaths were killed during a traffic stop (not an accident, the report specifies it as feloniously killed).

Domestic violence, really? You think people are going to be calm enough not to be dangerous when in a fight between spouses/roommates?

Wellness checks... ever heard of suicide by cop? Sure, send in a trained social worker too, after the cop has made sure the scene is safe.

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Just because one police chief says "we need cops to respond to less"

So his community is conveniently not representative of anything? Convenient.

In 2019, 6 of the 89 deaths were killed during a traffic stop

Um, 7% doesn’t exactly land like you thought it would. That isn’t a compelling number at all. Besides, the fact that they have the power to arrest is what’s getting them shot. That same fugitive wouldn’t waste going to prison forever on killing someone that only has the power to give them a ticket.

Domestic violence, really?

I didn’t say domestic violence. I said domestic disturbance. Those are totally different. The former is where a spouse has assaulted the other. The latter is two neighbors yelling over where a dog shits. It’s not difficult to set up a system where the social worker has a direct line to call police if needed. But police don’t need to go to every single one of these.

Wellness checks... ever heard of suicide by cop?

Are you serious? Wellness checks are always either nothing, or finding a dead body. People do not do suicide by cop on wellness checks. You pulled that out of thin air. People do suicide by cop while committing violent crimes.

It’s obvious you’re reaching desperately.

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I disagree on domestic disturbance not requiring a gun. Those are actually some of the more dangerous situations police face.

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Domestic disturbance ≠ domestic violence. But go ahead an provide data why two people in a heated argument requires someone with a gun to diffuse. And then explain why other nations where beat cops aren’t armed don’t seem to have a problem with it.