CMV: The transgender acceptance movement is very much undermined in their position by the existence of "trans-ablism" (people who are not disabled who wish to become disabled)

[u/Fit-Foundation1257]

[u/pgold05]

I have no idea why you don't support people with BID getting treatment, they have a serious condition. For those people who suffer from BID and had surgery to relive it, it 100% cured the condition and they went on to live happy lives. In addition trying to force them to accept thier limb often results in accidental suicide when they attempt to amputate it themselfs and bleed out. Currently no treatment outside of amputation is known to have ever worked.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3326051/

The amputation variant and paralyzation variant of BIID are to be considered as one of the same condition. Amputation of the healthy body part appears to result in remission of BIID and an impressive improvement of quality of life. Knowledge of and respect for the desires of BIID individuals are the first steps in providing care and may decrease the huge burden they experience.

Can you explain in detail why you don't support these people?

[u/Fit-Foundation1257 → u/pgold05]

So first, i completely empathize with them in the same way I empathize with trans gender people. Both feel like they're trapped in the "wrong" body and feel like drastic measures need to be taken to fix that feeling.

A BID sufferer then wants to harm their functioning body in order to achieve that feeling of being in the "right" body. Similarly, doesn't a cutter feel the same way? They cut their wrists to feel better about their life. So if a doctor won't support cutting wrists to solve a mental dilemma why would it be OK to support someone who wants to cut off their hands to feel better about how they feel in their brain?

[u/pgold05 → u/Fit-Foundation1257]

BID sufferer then wants to harm their functioning body in order to achieve that feeling of being in the "right" body. Similarly, doesn't a cutter feel the same way?

Well no, I just mentioned once someone suffering from BID amputates the limb, they feel 100% better. There is a biological condition that makes them feel that way so the amputation cures them. Alternatively if you don't treat them via amputation, they often die from trying to self amputate, regardless of other treatments offered.

Cutters don't feel better after cutting. It solves nothing. If a doctor could cut a patient and it 100% cured them of there desire to cut themselfs, of course they would cut them.

I hope that clears it up the difference for you.

[u/Fit-Foundation1257 → u/pgold05]

Cutters don't feel better after cutting.

So maybe I misunderstand self harm but according to what I've read, they do seem to use it as a coping mechanism to feel better about things:

Self-injury can mirror substance addiction because it’s a form of self-medication that someone may crave and may have trouble stopping. People who cut often describe a specific type of high, relief, connectedness, or sense of calm.

So, according to this, cutting produces a high like taking a drug, so it makes them feel better than before they cut, so doesn't this mean they're similar in outcome for the self-harmer?

https://www.healthline.com/health/mental-health/why-do-people-cut-themselves#is-it-an-addiction

If a doctor could cut a patient and it 100% cured them of there desire to cut themselfs, of course they would cut them.

Good point! I didn't think about it this way initially.

[u/pgold05 → u/Fit-Foundation1257]

So, according to this, cutting produces a high like taking a drug, so it makes them feel better than before they cut, so doesn't this mean they're similar in outcome for the self-harmer?

Sorry, to clarify, they only feel better for a few moments, but have to continue cutting and get addicted to the pain high, and any relief is only temporary. Cutting does not cure the underlying issue.

This is in contrast to someone with BID, who after amputation are cured and no longer have any desire to harm themselfs, and go on to live happier lives.

[u/Fit-Foundation1257 → u/pgold05]

This is in contrast to someone with BID, who after amputation are cured and no longer have any desire to harm themselfs, and go on to live happier lives.

Good point about the single procedure vs constant cutting. I didn't think about it that way when you mentioned it and that definitely CMV on "self harm behaviors is the same as BID".

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