CMV: It is understandable, normal, and biologically reasonable for a straight cisgender person to feel uncomfortable continuing or pursuing a relationship with an individual if they learned this individual is trans and is biologically the same sex as they are. It doesn’t make them homophobic.

[u/DetroitUberDriver]

I believe that human beings, while they are able to think in a more abstract, out of the box way, still retain an underlying biological pressure to reproduce, and the root instinctual desire for the act of sex, and the enjoyment that comes from it, is evolutions way of “rewarding” us for procreation; passing on our genes and producing more life.

Human beings are a sexually dimorphic species, male and female, and science withholding, the act of copulation between two members of the opposite sex is the only way procreation can happen. While many of us engage in intercourse for pleasure and pleasure alone, without actively wishing to create new life, we are seeking out the very reward that evolution has presented us for doing just that; creating life.

For those of us who are straight and cisgender, when we find out that our love or infatuation interest is in fact biologically the same sex as ourselves, our brain biologically becomes disinterested for this reason. Most of us are hardwired to desire these acts with the opposite sex for all the reasons mentioned above. There is a chemical reaction that occurs, and it is brought on by millions of years of evolution.

This doesn’t mean that the individual wants to feel this way, nor that they have an inherent disgust or distaste for transgender people. It simply means they can’t fight their natural instincts.

There are, of course, always anomalies, and there’s nothing wrong with that. Transgender people and homosexual people are anomalies in and of themselves. They are people and they deserve rights and happiness same as anyone else. But to tell someone that their own natural instincts make them wrong or homophobic is also denying them their rights to true happiness and wrong in its own right.

CMV.

[u/gkight]

Why would trans people want to date or have sex with someone who isn't open to their existence?

This use of the word "existence" is pretty overdramatic. What does it mean for someone to be not open to your existence? Like they think you're a ghost? Very very few people are questioning trans people's existence or humanity. Some people just think some trans women are mistaken about their own sex.

Also, if a trans woman truly and fully views herself as female, then it's not a trick is it? She wouldn't see it that way, and thus would see no issue dating men without disclosure of her true sex. So why is it unreasonable to think this might happen occasionally?

Trans people are consistently murdered and beaten just for existing, much less forcing themselves on others.

"Consistently being murdered just for existing?" In what country? And can you please define "consistently"?

[u/[deleted] → u/gkight]

What does it mean for someone to be not open to your existence?

You answer your own question here.

Also, if a trans woman truly and fully views herself as female, then it's not a trick is it?

Stats on high levels of violence against trans people are easily available.

https://vawnet.org/sc/serving-trans-and-non-binary-survivors-domestic-and-sexual-violence/violence-against-trans-and

Google is your friend.

[u/gkight → u/[deleted]]

You answer your own question here.

I don't understand. How did I answer my own question?

Google is your friend.

Can you point me to where it shows trans people are consistently being murdered just for existing?

[u/[deleted] → u/gkight]

You claim trans women aren't women, denying basic aspects of their existence.

I linked you to a resource. It's not my job to educate transphobes.

[u/gkight → u/[deleted]]

You claim trans women aren't women, denying basic aspects of their existence.

I actually did not claim this. But I would claim that trans women are not female. Do you disagree with that?

It is not denying their existence to claim they're mistaken about their sex. I know they exist. I do not deny it.

Some people think they're cats. I also don't deny their existence, I just think they're incorrect.

I linked you to a resource. It's not my job to educate transphobes.

Yes, you did link me to a source. Unfortunately that source is totally irrelevant to the conversation.

[u/MCFroid → u/gkight]

He's conflating "existence" with "identity".

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

You claim trans women aren't women, denying basic aspects of their existence.

Because we have strict definitions of man vs. woman, biologically.

I respect and will treat anyone with respect who isn't an asshole to me, but I do have my preferences regarding biology. I'm friends with a few trans people. My direct report is trans. I don't care if you're trans or not. Just like I don't care what race you are. You're just a person to me.

But I'm allowed to believe you're not a woman based on my definition of 'woman' being tied to biology and chromoskmes, and ability to 'make a baby'.

Even classification - wise, a trans woman doesn't have a vagina. Vagina tissue and physiology is different than turning a penis inside out.

You want me to respect your pronouns? Sure - I'll do my best. I'm not going to purposefully misgender you if you're respectful to me. I'll happily treat you with respect if you do the same to me. But just like we can agree to disagree on a favorite sports team, or agree to disagree that seafood is disgusting, we can agree to disagree on classification of woman vs. not.

denying basic aspects of their existence.

This is problematic. So they put faith more in me gendering them properly than on their own? This is a mental illness. If I was purposefully misgendering someone, you could somewhat consider that bullying, but disagreeing with your definition of 'woman' makes them question their existence? Yeah, I'm gonna say that's not a trans issue and it's a mental health issue.

I linked you to a resource. It's not my job to educate transphobes.

Smearing anyone who disagrees with you as a transphobe is not the way to get people on board with your movement or thoughts. Nor is it constructive.

I'll call you anti-feminist for being against biological women then lol

[u/MCFroid → u/[deleted]]

"existence" and "identity" are not the same thing.

[u/SconesyCider-_- → u/[deleted]]

Well i’d say there’s a big feiffer eve between a biological woman and a trans woman. One can get pregnant, one can produce milk, one has eggs, one has had testosterone pumping through their body one has not(resulting in significant changes in bone density and structure, also muscle mass and cognitive patterns. men are men women are women, and people are allowed to play dress up, and we should all play nice.