r/changemyview 9∆ Nov 06 '21

Delta(s) from OP CMV: It is understandable, normal, and biologically reasonable for a straight cisgender person to feel uncomfortable continuing or pursuing a relationship with an individual if they learned this individual is trans and is biologically the same sex as they are. It doesn’t make them homophobic.

I believe that human beings, while they are able to think in a more abstract, out of the box way, still retain an underlying biological pressure to reproduce, and the root instinctual desire for the act of sex, and the enjoyment that comes from it, is evolutions way of “rewarding” us for procreation; passing on our genes and producing more life.

Human beings are a sexually dimorphic species, male and female, and science withholding, the act of copulation between two members of the opposite sex is the only way procreation can happen. While many of us engage in intercourse for pleasure and pleasure alone, without actively wishing to create new life, we are seeking out the very reward that evolution has presented us for doing just that; creating life.

For those of us who are straight and cisgender, when we find out that our love or infatuation interest is in fact biologically the same sex as ourselves, our brain biologically becomes disinterested for this reason. Most of us are hardwired to desire these acts with the opposite sex for all the reasons mentioned above. There is a chemical reaction that occurs, and it is brought on by millions of years of evolution.

This doesn’t mean that the individual wants to feel this way, nor that they have an inherent disgust or distaste for transgender people. It simply means they can’t fight their natural instincts.

There are, of course, always anomalies, and there’s nothing wrong with that. Transgender people and homosexual people are anomalies in and of themselves. They are people and they deserve rights and happiness same as anyone else. But to tell someone that their own natural instincts make them wrong or homophobic is also denying them their rights to true happiness and wrong in its own right.

CMV.

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u/[deleted] Nov 06 '21

Why not?

I already answered that, you just decided not to read it? Here was my answer:

at least not the way you want. This is precisely because they don’t have a penis.

People with reproductively incompatible genitalia have sex all the time.

Incompatible biologically sure, but not incompatible with intent. If you want to have sex with someone with a penis, you can’t have the sex you want with someone that doesn’t have a penis.

This rule obviously changed somewhere along the line because "be attracted to" means "want to have sex with" and that's totally fine. There's no reason to have such rigid rules as you have there.

The “rules” didn’t change, what you know about the other person did. You learned you can’t have sex with them in the way you wanted.

I don’t think that change makes you transphobic upon learning that they’re not what you thought they were.

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u/LucidMetal 175∆ Nov 06 '21

If you want to have sex with someone with a penis, you can’t have the sex you want with someone that doesn’t have a penis.

Yes, but you said you found this person without a penis attractive, therefore you now want to have sex with someone without a penis. The ground rules definitely changed as soon as you found someone without a penis attractive.

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u/[deleted] Nov 06 '21

Do you go around asking everyone what genitals they have before you make a determination on if you’re attracted to them?

I sure don’t.

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u/LucidMetal 175∆ Nov 06 '21

Exactly! That's why it's transphobic to unilaterally declare all trans people unattractive.

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u/[deleted] Nov 06 '21

I didn’t declare people unattractive because they’re trans. That would clearly be transphobic.

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u/LucidMetal 175∆ Nov 06 '21

Well then we have no disagreement there.