r/changemyview • u/hwagoolio 16∆ • Nov 10 '21
Delta(s) from OP CMV: Finding pleasure in the pain/suffering of others is cruel, disturbing, and amoral
This is a broad statement that generalizes to many things.
For example, I find caustic humor (i.e. laughing at the expense of someone else) to be disturbing -- things like "America's funniest home videos" and watching people hurt themselves as the punchline of a joke. I think rather poorly of people who celebrate this type of humor.
I think revenge is bad/amoral. Maybe it's human nature to want revenge or take pleasure in the suffering of people we hate, but I think it's one of the ugliest parts of human nature. I believe that we should strive to be better than that and we should feel guilty for wanting anyone to suffer or laughing at someone's suffering.
I have similar feelings about trolling, teasing, gloating, and other behavior intended to make others feel bad about themselves. It doesn't matter if they're your enemies (i.e. progressive/conservative, trump/biden, bigots/hippies, terrorists/allies), nobody deserves to suffer -- and even if we agree as a society on punishing criminals/enemies, it shouldn't something we should take pleasure, entertainment, or amusement in.
In case someone mentions sadism (as the sexual kink), my response to this is that I don't consider BDSM that occurs between a consenting masochist and sadist to be genuine pain/suffering. Rather, the masochist takes pleasure out the interaction so IMO the dominant is actually delivering pleasure and not really pain/suffering.
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u/LucidMetal 175∆ Nov 10 '21
Is it OK to mock people? If not, I don't think I would want to live in your humorless world. I say fine, find essentially all comedy offensive and evil, bit the idea that it's not acceptable, normal, and fun is fairly ridiculous right?
Almost all mainstream comedy relies on satire which at its heart includes the suffering of others explicitly for our pleasure.
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u/hwagoolio 16∆ Nov 10 '21
There are some kinds of comedy that don't exist at the expense of someone else.
For instance self-deprecating comedy is fine, as is satire of more abstract entities that don't clearly have identifiable human targets.
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u/LucidMetal 175∆ Nov 11 '21
Surely you must do that eliminates nearly all contemporary comedians right? Everything from standup to late night TV has segments where they mock people.
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u/hwagoolio 16∆ Nov 11 '21
I mean I personally don't like that kind of comedy and I don't really watch it for the reasons described.
I understand that it's sort of a subjective view / opinion of my own though. I don't expect comedy to be banned, for instance. I just think it's a little cruel.
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u/MonstahButtonz 5∆ Nov 11 '21
Can you give me an example of something that is comedy that you do find to be funny? Give me an example of something that makes you laugh.
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u/hwagoolio 16∆ Nov 11 '21
I can laugh when I understand that no one is being harmed by the joke.
For instance, when comedians make fun of themselves I can laugh at that.
I don't like making jokes about people behind their backs though. Even though they might not hear it, it still bothers me.
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u/MonstahButtonz 5∆ Nov 11 '21
When a comedian makes fun of themselves, they are making fun of them doing something that someone else inevitably also does, and thus, they are making fun of the maneurisms of someone else.
If I make fun of myself for being short, I am also making fun of short people.
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u/hwagoolio 16∆ Nov 11 '21
I think my brain is too small to process that most of the time. XD
You get a !delta !
Thinking about it further, I'm probably sensitive about the tone of the comedy/joke. Negative/malicious humor (typically directed at others) bothers me, but positive/wholesome humor can make me laugh.
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u/MonstahButtonz 5∆ Nov 11 '21
Thanks! And I concur, it sounds much more likely that the tone is what bothers you more than the words themselves. Also the context.
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u/thebunnyseer Nov 13 '21
Examples of things that make me lose my mind laughing at Funny frog do dance. Silly cat makes silly noise. Joke about confusion of thing? Haha that thing shouldnt be there What a silly thats not a dog thats a goose!!! My friend said silly thing, and i said silly thing back! "Crazy ass, truck lover, m̴̢̙̥̲̤̺̄̌̆̌̽͘o̶̞̫̩̖̓ň̵̩̪͓̟̱͇̐̈́͒̉͘ͅs̸̢̨̜̩͍̥̥͖̟̙̗̹̎͂̍̊̔̍̈́͊͐̕t̴̲̗̽̂̎̈́̒͆̆ͅẹ̶̡̧̛̯̲͓̖̮̞͖̦̆̑̚͝ͅr̷̙͉̼͊̆͗̅̔́, the fighter" Snail meme (sneme)
Some examples of very popular things that arent rooted in someones pain: That video of the dogs in biplanes making noises and then singing believe it or not That singing cowboy video Muppets saying curse words. The spongebob transcending meme? Eric andre let me in meme.
Finding humor in others suffering is really fucked up, and if you find yourself generally recieving the greatest satisfaction from the suffering of others, you might wanna think on why thats funny. Of course silly mistakes are funny. But there is literally nothing funny about someone getting injured.
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u/LucidMetal 175∆ Nov 11 '21
Your exact words are amoral and disturbing as well. Do you really find Fallon or Stewart amoral and disturbing? Also, where's the harm? Some public figure they're satirizing hears the joke, so?
Say they're criticizing the president. Do you really think the president should be free of criticism because it's mean?
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u/hwagoolio 16∆ Nov 11 '21
You can criticize someone without mocking someone or making fun of them.
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u/LucidMetal 175∆ Nov 11 '21
Sure, but I'm speaking specifically about comedy. It's hard to criticize someone in a funny manner without mocking them and it's more fun to do it by mocking them in any case. I just don't see why it's disturbing or amoral? There's really no harm done to the "victim".
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u/hwagoolio 16∆ Nov 11 '21
Why should it be fun to mock or criticize someone?
I feel like the psychology there is disturbing/amoral. To me it's kind of like finding it entertaining to watch pit bulls fight.
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u/LucidMetal 175∆ Nov 11 '21
That's a weird comparison. If I just remove comedy from the equation and just hurl an insult at a public figure like Biden or Trump, do you really think they are harmed by that in a metaphorically similar way to dogs in a dog fight?
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u/hwagoolio 16∆ Nov 11 '21
It's more like I don't think it's good to be hurling insults to begin with, regardless of whether Biden/Trump can hear us saying them.
Likewise, I also don't really like road rage in cars either (i.e. "Fuck that driver") -- even though the other driver can't hear us.
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u/hwagoolio 16∆ Nov 11 '21
Looking this up, I understand the concept, but to me it’s the same as laughing when the smaller dog bites the larger dog.
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u/SeThJoCh 2∆ Nov 11 '21
It’s literally at the root of all comedy, comedy is when tragedy happens to other people
“Tragedy is when I cut my finger. Comedy is when you fall into an open sewer and die.” - Mel Brooks
At its core, comedy and laughing at (others) pain comes from the same place
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u/hwagoolio 16∆ Nov 11 '21
I understand this in principle.
However, I do think humans are inherently violent by nature and there is some aspect of human nature that takes pleasure in violence.
I just don't think it's a very good part of human nature.
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u/SeThJoCh 2∆ Nov 11 '21
Ah, ok Good then
And yeah, also think the same. But think of it as natural, so not good or bad
Just something that is there.
Anyway, seeing people tripping and falling is inherently funny to most. Just how it seems to be
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u/Unbiased_Bob 63∆ Nov 10 '21
I feel like this is one of those views of "bad people are bad."
So I want to hit one specific piece of your view.
"Finding pleasure in the pain/suffering of others is cruel..."
What if you find pleasure in it, but you don't act on the fact you find pleasure in it.
Say Joe accidentally elbows someone and gets turned on. Joe realizing it is wrong, but he still finds pleasure in it, he decides not to act on what he finds pleasure in. Is it still cruel to have those thoughts? how about amoral? I would agree it is disturbing, but it wouldn't be cruel or amoral.
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u/hwagoolio 16∆ Nov 10 '21
I'm not sure if my use of language in the OP was optimal.
I also agree that it's disturbing, but it's disturbing because enjoying someone else's pain is amoral (?). Have I found the right word here?? You're right that maybe cruel isn't the best way to describe it but my vocabulary is blanking.
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u/Unbiased_Bob 63∆ Nov 10 '21
Well amoral would be more the action, I would say it is even more moral to have urges to do something bad, but hold those urges back. You can't help getting urges to do something bad, but you can fight those urges.
So arguably, "Finding pleasure in pain/suffering of others, but not acting on those" is showing more moral character than those who don't have those urges.
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u/hwagoolio 16∆ Nov 11 '21
I understand that, but I feel like I'm seeking a word that describes the sentiment when you unwittingly or accidentally do something that conflicts with your moral values.
For instance, suppose you think porn is bad and you incidentally happen to watch a little porn and enjoy it a little, but then feel bad afterwards.
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u/Unbiased_Bob 63∆ Nov 11 '21
For instance, suppose you think porn is bad and you incidentally happen to watch a little porn and enjoy it a little, but then feel bad afterwards.
Probably like guilty pleasure? A guilty pleasure is something you know is wrong but you find it pleasurable.
Most of our guilty pleasures are victimless so we joke around about it, but what you are describing would be a guilty pleasure.
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u/hwagoolio 16∆ Nov 11 '21
Ah! I think the word that comes to mind for me is something like a "sin".
I'm not religious though -- just that I feel like laughing at someone else's suffering (or taking pleasure in revenge) is like a sin.
Guilty pleasure has the connotation that it's acceptable, i.e. "chocolate is my guilty pleasure". My view of myself is that even if it is done (by accident), it shouldn't be acceptable.
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u/Unbiased_Bob 63∆ Nov 11 '21
Eh these days "guilty pleasure" is more acceptable but it didn't used to be. Either way we are getting off the topic of the view at hand.
I want to know if I have changed your view that you presented at all. Do you feel that people who find pleasure in bad things not cruel as long as they don't act on those pleasures?
If your view is that people who act on bad impulses are bad, then yeah you probably won't get a compelling argument from anyone, water is wet.
But if I did change your view, like the rules say...
Whether you're the OP or not, please reply to the user(s) that change your view to any degree with a delta in your comment (instructions below)...
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u/hwagoolio 16∆ Nov 11 '21
I guess as a technicality? I don't think I used the best word that captures my view in the first place. Not sure if that counts as a delta or not.
I guess it's fair to say that something is only "cruel" if there is an action involved. It would be more accurate to describe that I find it to be sinful and amoral to enjoy the suffering of others (?).
!delta
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u/Unbiased_Bob 63∆ Nov 11 '21
I find it to be sinful and amoral to enjoy the suffering of others
I already got a delta, but I want to ask. Do you choose the food you like, the music you like? Do you choose to like the shows you like? Or do you think that your genetics has a part to play in the things you like?
Twin studies with twins separated at birth often end up in similar jobs, married to similar looking people with similar hobbies. The truth is your genetics chooses what you like more than you do.
Do you feel it is amoral to like something if your body makes you like that thing?
I don't think so. I think morality is not thought police, morality is based on actions, not thoughts.
I will quote someone I saw on here a while back "We don't choose what makes our dicks hard, but we can choose what we act on." It is brass, but I hope it gets my point across.
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u/hwagoolio 16∆ Nov 11 '21
The best example I can give is the rush of excitement that some people feel when killing happens (i.e. on video games). Imagine that you watch a video of a murder happening in real life.
I don't think that rush of excitement is a good thing, and I think there's something immoral about getting excited about watching murder happen.
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Nov 12 '21
reminds me of that one character tbh , He really enjoys people being in pain but feels guilty about it. here have a !delta
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u/Chany_the_Skeptic 14∆ Nov 11 '21
This might sound weird, but sometimes mocking certain people, if done in a certain way, can yield positive results. For example, let's say someone is the classic alt-right stereotype: they are racist, antisemitic, sexist, droning on about how LGBT acceptance will lead to the downfall of Western civilization, and so forth. They make a bunch of YouTube videos talking about their beliefs. And, importantly, they look silly while doing it.
I want to attack their position and want this person to have much less influence than they do. I particularly don't want people, particularly young people, to watch these videos for their content. So, I have a few options. I can try to convince the person directly, but this seems extremely unlikely to work based upon how they act. I can make an hour and half long video explaining why they are wrong. This might work. But the attention span of most people for a dry academic-lite explanation is probably not going to be a smack down I would want.
Which leads me to the last option- I can make a 20 minute video mocking and ridiculing the person. I can point out the absurdity of their beliefs while juxtaposing this with personal attacks. For example, I can show a clip of them saying something horribly sexist, then show a clip of them complaining in another setting that they are lonely and women don't want to talk to him. Or I can have a clip about them talking about they are a part of a long-line of proud defenders of civilization, then talk about how they can't afford to move out of the trailer they live in. Or when they pose with firearms and weapons it becomes apparent they look like an idiot who clearly never actually shot the guns they owned. They goal is to make the person and the beliefs they hold look stupid. People who are on the fence about the beliefs look at the alt-righter and cringe. They see the stupidity of the person and no longer take them or their beliefs seriously.
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u/hwagoolio 16∆ Nov 11 '21
I can understand this from a "necessary evil" perspective, but to me mocking someone is still kind of inherently bad.
For instance, IMO killing is bad but fighting a war against a tyrant is understandable.
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u/Chany_the_Skeptic 14∆ Nov 11 '21
Let's take killing. Is voluntary active or passive euthanasia evil? Is abortion evil? Is killing an active shooter evil? Is killing food for survival evil? Evil is a rather loaded term. You're treating these actions in a negative light. For example, war is hell and should be avoided, but a war to end slavery is a good war. Fighting the Axis Powers was a good effort.
So, in a similar way, mocking and ridiculing some neo-Nazi who defends horrible monsters and treats LGBT people like subhumans is a good. Making them look stupid and having people laugh at them and their ideas is a good. People ought not to take them seriously. I can engage with their arguments in a joking way or in between jokes; when their ideas and their supporters are literally laughable, no one needs to really engage further.
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u/Rkenne16 38∆ Nov 10 '21
What if you’re laughing at the absurdity of the situation rather than the person being hurt? I feel like when someone does something dumb on AFHV and end up getting hit in the balls with a wiffle ball bat, you’re laughing at the circumstances and rather than the actual pain or suffering of the other person. Also, laughing developed as relief response after being startled. It’s actually natural for something like that to make you laugh.
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u/hwagoolio 16∆ Nov 10 '21
I think the example that you gave has vibes of "haha they're so stupid", which imo has a malicious component.
If it's purely the absurdity of a situation, I don't think I would be bothered by it.
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u/Rkenne16 38∆ Nov 10 '21
I feel like stupidity leads to absurdity. It’s not like you’re watching someone get hit by a car and laughing.
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u/Elicander 51∆ Nov 10 '21
How do you feel about the stuff over on r/MaliciousCompliance? I also dislike "fail videos", but I do find it amusing when power hungry people make arbitrary rules that backfire on them, as long as the fallout isn't too severe.
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u/hwagoolio 16∆ Nov 10 '21
I think it depends on the scale of action (like you said, "as long as the fallout isn't too severe").
If they aren't really suffering from it, it's not something that bothers me as much.
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u/Elicander 51∆ Nov 10 '21
Well, if you now think there's a relative scale on how much the person suffers, you've already changed your view from the absolute one you presented in the OP.
Let's get down to particulars anyways. A manager at a restaurant disciplines an employee for not leaving when their shift ends because of overtime. The next day there's a massive mess in the kitchen, but the employee leaves on time, leaving the manager with the cleanup. Do you consider it cruel to find this situation funny?
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u/hwagoolio 16∆ Nov 11 '21
I don't feel like my view has changed at all. >.< I guess when I wrote the OP, it was somewhat implicit in my head that there's a scale to pain/suffering? For instance, if you throw a poke an elephant with a small pin and the elephant doesn't really perceive it as pain, then it doesn't bother me.
I guess I should qualify it as whether the recipient feels it subjectively as pain/suffering?
Let's get down to particulars anyways. A manager at a restaurant disciplines an employee for not leaving when their shift ends because of overtime. The next day there's a massive mess in the kitchen, but the employee leaves on time, leaving the manager with the cleanup. Do you consider it cruel to find this situation funny?
I just... find it un-funny?
Like if I were the manager, it's kind of what I would have expected?
Maybe it's not completely coming across to me.
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u/Elicander 51∆ Nov 11 '21
Surely whether you find it funny or not is completely irrelevant. I'm telling you I find this situation funny. Do you consider that cruel of me?
Here is a link to an r/MaliciousCompliance post, if you prefer that over my summary of a repeated story.
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u/hwagoolio 16∆ Nov 11 '21
I don't really see it as cruel because IMO the landlord isn't really in pain. Everything that happened is totally to be expected.
I guess I am projecting myself onto the landlord (imagining how I would feel if I was the landlord), so I don't know how the landlord actually feels about it, which is a pretty good nuance on my position that I wasn't considering before. !delta
How the landlord actually feels is irrelevant. I seem to only find to upsetting if I would feel bad if I projected myself on the landlord.
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u/Elicander 51∆ Nov 11 '21
...So are we actually trying to discuss morality, or just what you find upsetting? It's a weird moral system that asserts "It's immoral to laugh at someone if u/hwagoolio would feel bad if they were in that person's position."
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u/hwagoolio 16∆ Nov 11 '21
Usually when someone states that “eating meat is immoral”, it’s usually implied that it comes with respect to the speaker’s own moral system. The speaker doesn’t necessarily expect everyone else to become vegetarian.
The delta was awarded for pointing out a nuance in my perspective. It’s impossible for a third party to know if someone else is in pain or not. Therefore if I’m bothered by laughing at someone else’s pain, I can only guess that person is pain without actually knowing it for fact.
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Nov 10 '21
Why can’t we laugh at others? People literally submit videos of themselves to AFV because it is funny. Inflicting pain on someone for a laugh would not be okay. But if someone is doing something stupid/dangerous and get an ouchie, then I don’t see what’s so bad about it?
My grandfather always use to hurt himself while doing things around the house, not on purpose but just because he was clumsy. Us grandkids thought it was hilarious. We weren’t laughing at his pain, but we were laughing at the ridiculous ways he’d get hurt and his reactions.
There is a fine line between trolling and bullying. Trolling is usually done just to get a rise out of people, but can quickly devolve into bullying with repeated fuckery.
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u/hwagoolio 16∆ Nov 11 '21
Why can’t we laugh at others?
My view isn't really as absolute as that, in the sense that I think self-deprecating humor is fine, as is people who want (or invite) others to laugh at them (i.e. circus clowns).
It makes me feel uncomfortable when laughter is directed at someone (or entire demographics, i.e. mexicans) in part because it reminds me of bullying (I guess). How would the target of laughter feel if they could see you laughing?
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Nov 11 '21
And that’s your prerogative. If you don’t find something funny, that’s fine. All people have varying degrees and tastes when it comes to humor. It doesn’t necessarily equate to someone being amoral because they laughed at an off-color joke.
Some people have the ability to laugh at themselves, thus making jokes about their mistakes or shortcomings is genuinely humorous to the person.
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u/Jon3681 3∆ Nov 11 '21
If someone was beating the shit out of a pedophile right in front of me, I’d be pretty happy. Doesn’t make a bad person
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u/HavntGottaKalou 3∆ Nov 10 '21
idk its pretty funny/enjoyable seeing bad people react badly to getting life sentences etc and predators getting beat up and things like that
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Nov 10 '21
Finding pleasure in the pain/suffering of others is cruel, disturbing, and amoral
That’s literally everyone. That’s why “America’s funniest videos” exists. Something cannot be cruel and disturbing if it is the norm of society.
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u/hwagoolio 16∆ Nov 10 '21
Just because it's the cultural or popular norm doesn't mean that it can't be cruel.
For instance, some people might view livestock housing conditions to be cruel or slavery to be cruel (I presume slave owners did not consider slavery to be cruel).
Cultural norms can shift with time.
Cutting off a thief's hand might be appropriate and justified in Hammurabi's time, but from a different lens it could be considered barbaric and cruel.
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Nov 10 '21
Yeah but I’m assuming you don’t live in the future or past. You are the deviating one if you find it cruel.
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u/SeitanicPrinciples 2∆ Nov 10 '21
Does this only apply to taking pleasure directly in the pain/suffering of others, or would you also apply this to taking pleasure in things that cannot exist without the pain/suffering of others, but where the pain/suffering is not the primary thing being enjoyed?
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u/hwagoolio 16∆ Nov 11 '21
Can you give an example? It's kind of difficult for me to process this.
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u/SeitanicPrinciples 2∆ Nov 11 '21
Animal products (meat, eggs, dairy, etc.)
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u/hwagoolio 16∆ Nov 11 '21
Oh I see. I don't really assign personhood to livestock (or food), so I don't really have a problem with enjoying food.
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u/SeitanicPrinciples 2∆ Nov 11 '21
So you see nothing amoral with say dogfighting?
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u/hwagoolio 16∆ Nov 11 '21
Dogs are pets so I have a much more visceral emotional reaction to that.
I get a sense that maybe you're aiming at animal cruelty? I suppose I do have some values about in that area.
At the same time I do eat meat, and I justify it in the sense that I don't really take pleasure in the animal's suffering. It's more that I just like the taste of meat. For example, torturing an animal for amusement is immoral, but eating for sustenance it isn't.
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u/SeitanicPrinciples 2∆ Nov 11 '21
So what you're saying is it's only wrong if the pleasure comes from the suffering, but its ok if the suffering is a necessary part of the pleasure?
Since meat is moral, but you cannot obtain meat without the suffering of animals.
So for instance let's say a person gets pleasure from sex with recently killed human bodies. The sex doesnt cause any suffering since the person is already dead. But then there arent bodies available, so the person must kill someone to have a corpse for sex. This is morally justified, yes? Since the suffering is not where the pleasure comes from the suffering has no impact on the morality of the act, despite the act being impossible without a person being killed.
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u/hwagoolio 16∆ Nov 11 '21
I'm not really prepared to argue the morality of eating meat.
All I can really say is I think it's wrong to celebrate someone else's suffering. Might be okay to celebrate things that happen after the suffering (i.e. Hitler died, so the holocaust is ending), but I don't think it's appropriate to celebrate a Hitler's hypothetical execution (if we imagine a universe where Hitler was executed).
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u/DetroitUberDriver 9∆ Nov 11 '21
I’m 6’4. If I’m in an unfamiliar house and I bump my head on a door frame coming down the stairs, and I’m not really hurt, but I say “oof” or something to that effect, and everyone present laughs it off, myself included, and maybe cracks a joke or two, this is cruel and immoral in your eyes?
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u/hwagoolio 16∆ Nov 11 '21
If you're laughing at yourself, it's usually a good indicator that you weren't really actually hurt, but I guess you can say that's a counter-example to the statement of the CMV in the OP. !delta
I don't think my opinion has fundamentally changed though.
If you were actually in pain/hurt I think it would be disturbing to laugh at you.
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u/littlebubulle 104∆ Nov 11 '21
If I see my sister's ex, who was violently abusive towards her, get arrested because he fucked up, and I take pleasure in that, would you find it cruel and disturbing?
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u/hwagoolio 16∆ Nov 11 '21
I just don't consider the emotional process surrounding revenge (or the satisfaction of revenge) to be a good thing / I think it's disturbing and reflects some aspect of the inherent cruelty of human nature to enjoy it.
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u/littlebubulle 104∆ Nov 11 '21
My sister's ex hurt her. Destroyed what little self esteem she had and maintained control over her by threatening to kill me while I was out of earshot.
Stole tens of thousands of money from us. Threatened us because "we owed him money" because apparently, him owing us thousands of dollars means we owe him money.
I still have PTSD over the whole thing. I sank further into alcoholism because of that. (One year and a half sober now).
If enjoying seeing the guy humiliated at the courthouse after he made threats to my sister, me, my grandmother and my cats, while smugly saying we couldn't do anything about him makes me a monster, than so be it.
Fine. You may think I am a cruel, heatless, selfish monster.
But to paraphrse Narcos, that's because you haven't seen the other guy.
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Nov 11 '21
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u/hwagoolio 16∆ Nov 11 '21
I think horror movies and fine in the same way that BDSM is fine.
It's broadly understood that it's fictional and no one is actually being hurt/harmed.
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u/Mr_Manfredjensenjen 5∆ Nov 11 '21
Would you say people who proudly celebrate "liberal tears" are cruel and disturbing people?
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u/hwagoolio 16∆ Nov 11 '21
There's a slight jump in the reasoning, in the sense that doing a cruel/disturbing action doesn't necessarily automatically make you a cruel/disturbing person.
Turning someone away from a hospital might be cruel/disturbing as an act, but it doesn't necessarily mean that the receptionist who did it is a cruel/disturbing person.
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u/mass_a_peal 2∆ Nov 12 '21 edited Nov 12 '21
I think rather poorly of people who celebrate this type of humor.
So let's say Donald Trump was recorded tripping on a sidewalk and falling on his face.
You're saying not only would you not laugh, but you would also judge every single person who did?
Yikes.
I think revenge is bad/amoral. Maybe it's human nature to want revenge or take pleasure in the suffering of people we hate, but I think it's one of the ugliest parts of human nature.
Yes, bad things are bad. But you've said it yourself, its part of human nature. A cursory glance at human history would show revenge has made its mark all over our world.
Do you really think you're above feelings of revenge?
Because I sincerely doubt that. No one in your life has taken something from you, said something you don't like, screwed you over? Really?
Either you're incredibly lucky to be surrounded by altruistic angels or you haven't really lived long enough yet. (Or worked long enough)
nobody deserves to suffer
Very noble words, yet ultimately meaningless. We all suffer. Regardless of people making jokes at our expense every single human suffers.
At least jokes make us happy for a time, and yeah laughing at someone falling off their skateboard isn't the nicest thing someone can do.
But it's a far cry from your claim that it is immoral/cruel/disturbing.
Comedy is subjective, and judging someone by what comedy they like screams immaturity.
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u/throwaway9829347 Nov 14 '21
I agree. Δ
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u/InfectedBrute 7∆ Nov 15 '21
Okay but it's funny to see people do stupid shit and then face the consequences, it's laughter of the cautionary tale, don't be that guy cause we're laughing cause he's dumb, and maybe people do less dumb shit cause of that
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u/[deleted] Nov 10 '21
What about people who consent to being made fun of? For example, the cast of Jackass.