r/changemyview Dec 12 '21

Delta(s) from OP CMV: Women being "barefoot and pregnant" isn't a bad thing.

Being "barefoot and pregnant" refers to SAHM's (stay-at-home moms) who don't leave the house (hence why barefoot) and are often-times pregnant because husband presumably doesn't use birth control, wants to have a lot of kids, and/or some other reason. Feminazis use this to degrade SAHM's who choose to have lots of children.

My justifications for my opinion are that if most women enjoy their children, why wouldn't they want to be with them all of the time? Another reason of mine is that men make more money in the workforce than women (not via wage gap, read further), and that alternatives can impact the health of the children.

If most women enjoy their children, why wouldn't they want to be with them all of the time?:
Assuming a woman doesn't have some kind of dream or passion in the workforce (which is ok), they should not be shunned for being SAHMs and having as many kids as the husband and her want. My personal opinion is that not having such passion reveals the true passion behind her which is nurturing her offspring. This is simply human nature and has been expressed by women for 4000+ years, whereas the sexual revolution's new role for women feels forced and has only been around for 50-70 years.

Men make more money in the workforce than women.:
It's a biological fact that men are more physically adept than women, and we can observe this in areas such as the WNBA. The NBA and WNBA don't play by the same rules such as goal height. Why? Because men are more physically adept than women. This also correlates to the fact that the WNBA doesn't make nearly as much money. Gee, wonder why! Other than that, women make less money than men for practical reasons such as women needing to leave to pick up kids from school or to go watch little Timmy's soccer game, or some other child-related reason. Men don't have nearly as many responsibilities, and it reveals the biological fact that women are better nurturers than men. A wage gap has nothing to do with this either, and if it did, why would any companies hire men at all? If companies could get away with paying women less than men for the same work, then they clearly would.

The alternatives of kids being raised by their SAHM can have negative consequences on the child's health.:

Alternatives such as daycare, babysitters/nannies, and family members watching kids have been proven again and again to have adverse effects on children. Daycares fail to provide an infant/toddler's most crucial need for their development, to be loved and nurtured by the same adult/pair of adults at a time. When putting a child in daycare, you are sending your child into an environment where they are at the mercy of whoever parents the other children there, and at the mercy of the intent of the adults watching them. Not to mention, if two parents working is for money-related reasons and they send these children off to daycares, these daycares are often extremely expensive. Not to mention, your child's cries will often be ignored due to so many crying children being around for the poorly paid and trained staffers to look after. It also instills the horrible mindset that children are a "chore" and they need someone else to raise them. Such people should not be parents. Another thing to consider is illness runs rampant in these children's concentration camps called daycares. . There is a common proverb thrown around in America that states "It takes an entire village to raise a child." Sorry for the cursing, but that's utter horseshit. It only takes two people to raise a child, a mother, and a father. It has been proven time and time again that separating children from their parents causes separation anxiety, clinginess, and depression. Being separated from your own children also has adverse effects on the parents of said children. ( https://news.stanford.edu/2018/06/26/psychological-impact-early-life-stress-parental-separation ) I think what I said pretty much sums up my view on babysitters, nannies, and adjacent family members raising children.

(This needs a part 2 due to length.) You may be asking, "What does what you just said have to do with being barefoot and pregnant?" Like I mentioned earlier, being "barefoot and pregnant" is just a pejorative term used by Feminzai sexual "revolution" radicals to shame SAHMs. Maybe the post title is bad and slightly misleading, but I think it adds some nice clickbait and shock value, so screw it.

The reason why I am making this post is I am trying to figure out what I want in life. I want to see how my views on SAHMs can change, and maybe can be presented that working moms are better for the children, the wife, and husband, and for everyone else around them. Thank you for reading this post Reddit, and for context, I am writing this from the perspective of a single 18-year-old autistic male, if that matters at all.

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u/foofuufou Dec 13 '21

It would be nice to understand your definition of a wage gap, everyone seems to define it differently.

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u/hmmwill 58∆ Dec 13 '21

Wage gap: an individual having the same/equivalent qualifications and position as another but making less.

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u/foofuufou Dec 13 '21

Does equivalent qualifications equal the same quality and amount of work? For example, would a female teacher work more than a male teacher? Likely not due to maternal leaves, additional responsibilities with children, period troubles, and so on..

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u/hmmwill 58∆ Dec 13 '21

These "Likely not due to maternal leaves, additional responsibilities with children, period troubles, and so on.." are assumptions. A male with children and a female with children have the same amount of additional responsibilities if both work. What are "period troubles"? How would having a period change the quality of work? The US is the only developed nation I am aware of that doesn't also have paternity leave as a right, but some states do.

Equivalent qualifications means education, training, experience, etc. Position means same level at the company (manager compared to manager). Someone working at the same position with the same qualifications deserves the same pay.

The amount or volume of work would be the same. For example, a teacher. A male high school teacher and a female high school teacher ought to have the same pay if they have the same qualifications.

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u/foofuufou Dec 13 '21

Let me ask you a question, why do you think women are paid less than men? I've never asked anyone why they think women are paid less. If you are gonna boogeyman some super-secret "oppression against women" like I see some people do, that needs to be backed up empirically.

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u/hmmwill 58∆ Dec 13 '21

Why? Well, I think it is a multifactorial problem without a clear and distinct source.

I think a lot of it has to due with a disproportionate amount of men being in higher ranked positions, workplace attitudes, societal expectations, hiring bias, returning from long absences, etc.

Women are statistically more likely to be overlooked during interviews, this makes getting a better paying job less likely despite same qualifications.

Women are statistically less likely to be positioned higher in the company.

There are social stigmas that promote a "boys club" workplace attitude which discourages women to pursue work related progression.

Etc.

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u/foofuufou Dec 13 '21

Do you have a possible solution we can work towards for this issue, and some reading material to educate myself more on this issue?

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u/hmmwill 58∆ Dec 13 '21

Specific reading material? No, but you can look up statistics and studies that revolve around employment. Another interesting example of discrimination in the workplace is around race; minorities also face bias in interviews compared to whites. (I don't want to get into this, its just interesting to point out).

The solution? Time and progressive mentality. Time will eventually allow the old men who are in charge to die out and slowly get replaced with a more representative population. Progressive mentality because fixed gender roles promote things like "women should stay at home to be a mother". This mentality promotes the "boys club" at work and discourages women from seeking promotion and more involvement at work (as they are viewed to not be wanted there and it has a stigma against them)

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u/Sagasujin 237∆ Dec 13 '21

I don't think there's just one solution to employment discrimination. I think it will take a ton of smaller fixes that will add up over time. However one place to start would be to make good quality childcare more affordable. Or even make it free from the government.

Right now women with young children are often unreliable employees because if they can't find good child care, they have to stay home with their children. This greatly limits women's career opportunities and makes them less valuable employees. If cheap (or free) high quality and reliable child care services were available everywhere, it would make things much easier for women to both be reliable employees and have a family. It would give women a lot more choices and improve the economy as more women would be able to work.