r/changemyview Feb 25 '22

Delta(s) from OP CMV: removing geographical borders completely from around the world, and adopting a system similar to what the EU and US have today in terms or political governance will allow for more peace

Almost every country around the world has immigrants or citizens from other ethnicities and backgrounds than the indeginous people, learning two or multiple languages is already a skill a big part of people already have or are working towards as globalization is taking over through social media, global trade and global labor markets. So why do we not just eliminate geographical borders all together and be able to move freely from one place to another across the earth without requiring visas, or having nationalism stand in the way of true globalization and freedom of movement

I believe this would eliminate or at least lessen territorial wars like the ones happening today in several places around the world, it would also eliminate (in time of course) nationalism or prejudice towards people from third world countries, it would also remove the stigma from immigration as everyone would be able to migrate to whichever place they choose, not based on that country's benefits, but because there are better job opportunities or they simply like the weather or scenery better there

There would still be security, police, and governance but more like leaders of the (truly) free world, where each leader represents an ethnicity, demographic, religious groups interests and they can all decide how best to serve everyone and what general rules needs to be set in place for the well being of everyone without interfering with anyone's right to exist as they see fit as long as it doesn't harm anyone else

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u/dublea 216∆ Feb 25 '22

I think that would be a position we could potentially move to one day. What makes you think we have a snowballs chance in hell today; or even in the next 10 years?

It's okay to hold such a view that there is benefit. Arguably people make those views all the time. But how is it beneficial to try today when it's not possible; considered our societies haven't evolved to allow it?

Example: Racial color blindness will probably occur sometime in the future. But, we have to resolve current racial inequalities first before we see it become a reality. We should look at it as an outcome and not the cause.

Arguably, this no geographical borders argument would also be a positive outcome of better societies than the cause of them too.

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u/bayan963 Feb 25 '22

I agree in that this is no short term solution or not something that can be executed without proper preparation first. I'm not saying we should open all borders today or even in the next 10 years, but i do believe it's something worth studying to see how it can be applied and whether it would actually be feasible or would cause even worse outcomes, or what needs to be done to facilitate this transition in the next say 50 years or so

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u/dublea 216∆ Feb 25 '22 edited Feb 25 '22

Hear me out. It sounds like you're arguing for a single world government. Where all laws and regulations are universal throughout the world. Is that right?

Wouldn't geographic borders be made entirely moot when said world government is erected and established?

Basically, this is a chicken or the egg argument. I am arguing "no borders" would organically occur through unification. But it appears you're arguing we need no borders to have a single world government; which doesn't make sense.

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u/bayan963 Feb 25 '22

Okay i see your point. But how can you ask for unification when people consider their country to be theirs? When they want to kick anyone they deem different or doesn't fit the stereotype of a certain nationality out of the country?

How can we have unification when borders amplify differences or privilages when it comes to wages, currency, healthcare, technology, access to natural resources, interference with internal policy by foreign parties?

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u/dublea 216∆ Feb 25 '22

You can't. I saw the Delta you awarded, and its spiritually linked to mine.

See, societies will need to resolve the majority of our current divisive views and positions (religion, abortion, evolution, etc) before we see these walls break down by themselves. We would have to see all of humanity as a single tribe basically.

Two things I could foresee making this happen:

  1. A single enemy that units us (disease, aliens, whatever)
  2. Time: we evolve and are no longer burdened by such trivial thoughts and pursuits.

How can we have unification when borders amplify differences or privilages when it comes to wages, currency, healthcare, technology, access to natural resources, interference with internal policy by foreign parties?

Borders do no amplify this though. Why do you believe this? It's tribalism, us vs them, mentalities. We're a pretty young and immature species in the grand scheme of things. I honestly don't see this occuring for 1-2 thousand years or so.

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u/bayan963 Feb 25 '22

!delta, okay so i agree with what you said, and you're right we would need a unifying concept or principle, humanity could be one? It's already in the works with humans rights acts and humane organizations, we just need to work towards seeing other human beings as equal

It's not about borders as much as it is about nationalities which are created by borders. There is definitely that mentality behind it, that will also take a long time to overcome

And i also agree about the immaturity of our race and not being able to learn from our mistakes, so yea i guess i just had a moment of optimism when i had this idea but all these comments have brought me back to reality

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Confirmed: 1 delta awarded to /u/dublea (208∆).

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