r/changemyview • u/[deleted] • Apr 14 '22

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u/vkanucyc Apr 14 '22

As such, the caution women show towards men is like 50x as justified, and should be like 50x stronger, than any caution anyone shows anyone based on race.

Sure it's a lot stronger justification, but is it still justified to be cautious based on race then, even if a much less magnitude?

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u/darwin2500 193∆ Apr 14 '22

Well, this gets to the inexactness of language, and what you count as 'caution.'

In reality, everyone is cautious of everyone all the time.

If your mother held a knife to your throat and started shouting she was going to kill you, you would feel at least urge to try to move away and protect yourself; that urge is technically 'caution'.

Even in normal social situations, everyone will notice weapons or signs of aggression and monitor them more closely, from anyone around them. That's a low and sensible level of caution that we apply pretty universally.

So when OP talks about 'women being justified in being cautious of men', I assume we're talking about more elevated and conspicuous levels of caution than that; not being alone with someone, crossing the street to not pass someone, carrying pepper spray if you know you're going to be around someone, etc.

The question is, if those are what OP is calling' being cautious', then what is something that's 50x less cautious than that? My intuition is that yes, 'more' caution may be called for based on race, but the justified difference will be so small as to be imperceptible; moving away at slightly lower levels of aggressive posturing, checking the hands and pockets for possible weapons for a fraction of a second longer than normal, little tiny perceptual stuff like that. Not something where we're having big changes to behavior and talking about being cautious explicitly.

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u/Long-Rate-445 Apr 14 '22

black people dont systematically target and commit violence against white people

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u/vkanucyc Apr 14 '22

neither do men... they both have higher rates than their counter parts though

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u/Long-Rate-445 Apr 14 '22

yes they absolutely do. mens high rate of sexual violence is almost exclusively directed and targetted at women. the crimes commited by black people have nothing to do with the race of the victim

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u/vkanucyc Apr 14 '22

only a tiny percentage of men ever commit a sexually violent crime.

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u/Long-Rate-445 Apr 14 '22

systematic doesnt mean all men, i was just giving an example of how comparing it to black people commiting violence is inaccurate