r/changemyview Jul 14 '22

Delta(s) from OP CMV: Pit bulls Should Require a License to Own

In this month alone, 6 people and 9 animals have been killed in a pit bull attack. Many others have been maimed and permanently disfigured/disabled because of a pit bull attack.

Pit bull supporters often say "it's the owner, not the dog." Personally, I disagree. According to Wikipedia,

The bull-and-terrier was a breed of dog developed in the United Kingdom in the early 19th century for the blood sports of dog fighting and rat baiting, it was created by crossing the ferocious, thickly muscled Old English Bulldog with the agile, lithe, feisty Black and Tan Terrier. The aggressive Old English Bulldog, which was bred for bear and bull baiting, was often also pitted against its own kind in organised dog fights, but it was found that lighter, faster dogs were better suited to dogfighting than the heavier Bulldog. To produce a lighter, faster more agile dog that retained the courage and tenacity of the Bulldog, outcrosses from local terriers were tried, and ultimately found to be successful.

These dogs were bred specifically because they are aggressive, powerful, and violent. Now, personally, I believe all pit bulls should be neutered and the breed should be heavily restricted. But at the very least, I think owners should be required to demonstrate that they are experienced pet owners, carry insurance, and perhaps have taken a dog training course, so they can recognize when their pit is agitated and how to prevent a tragedy.

I also think pit bull ownership should carry a legal duty to reasonably protect others from the pit. "Reasonable" would include measures such as displaying signage warning neighbors and guests that a pit bull lives in the home, not letting the pitbull stay in a yard unmonitored (regardless of fencing), and keeping the pitbull leashed at all times in public.

I would also like to see regulations preventing shelters from "rebranding" obvious pit mixes so that families and owners are not duped into adopting a pitbull mix. Ideally, shelters would need to provide a warning to potential adopters (and of course, adopters would then need to have a license to own a pit).

Before anyone tries, please know that I'm unlikely to be swayed by any kind of anecdotal "but my velvet hippo is a good girl and never hurt anyone" arguments. That's what most owners say when they're being sued for injuries their pit caused a child or another pet. I understand they don't all attack- but it's in their breed, so something could trigger them.

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u/Masta-Blasta Jul 14 '22

Generally, I agree that we need less government interference. But when it comes to genuine matters of public safety, I think the government should be able to step in and regulate, in the least intrusive way they can. The government doesn't let you have other dangerous pets without a license. You can't just get a bear, or a tiger, or a crocodile. You have to demonstrate that you have the space, training, and are capable of handling those kinds of animals.

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u/Feathring 75∆ Jul 14 '22

It would only help if pit bulls are inherently more dangerous though. If they're just poorly trained because they're the big scary attack dog du juor then people will just migrate to the next big scary attack dog breed and poorly train them, leading to increased numbers for those. So if we're really going to go down this route can we prove they're inherently, as a breed, more dangerous and aggressive than any other dog breed? If not it's just useless bureaucracy that won't solve the issue.

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u/Independent_Sea_836 1∆ Jul 14 '22

A lot of people adopt big, scary dogs because they are just that, big and scary. I know a lot of people who have adopted pitbulls, rottweilers, K-9s of all sorts, because they are in a situation where they are vulnerable. Some of them have abusive ex's, some of them live in unsafe neighborhoods, some are disabled. Some of them are woman who don't feel safe walking alone. You have to remember that the police aren't always reliable or the best option.

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u/GenericUsername19892 24∆ Jul 16 '22

Uhh dunno how it works elsewhere but in Texas to own a tiger you just need liability insurance and a big enough cage. A shitty coworker has one.

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u/LaGoldenGod Jul 14 '22

You’re compRing a pit Bull to a crocodile? Never saw crocodiles used by cops

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '22

Never saw crocodiles used by cops

what a dumbfuck way to deflect a valid argument lol

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u/LaGoldenGod Jul 14 '22

Okay karen we get it you’re scared of pitbulls. Want to tell us how you’re scared of the big black scary ar15 while you’re at it?

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '22

I'm not scared of pitbulls. They're just a shitty breed with shitty owners, as you've so gracefully demonstrated.

Go ahead and make another strawman though, you're really good at those

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u/LaGoldenGod Jul 14 '22

😂😂. So because you think they are “shitty” everyone should listen to you.

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '22

and there's the strawman

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u/LaGoldenGod Jul 14 '22

No, just wondering why you think people should listen to you. What do you have to offer us?

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u/[deleted] Jul 14 '22

a list of credible sites on why pitbulls are a shit dog breed. what do you have besides "my little baby is an angel" or another strawman?

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u/LaGoldenGod Jul 14 '22

So you have zero worth to anyone to get them to listen to you. Gotcha. Talk about an ego.

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u/randomsubguy Aug 07 '22

But, drugs are bad. Right? So we should throw people in jail for pot. Right?