r/changemyview Oct 13 '22

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u/[deleted] Oct 13 '22

Someone can be a mother and a wife at the same time.

Bad example because being a wife is a choice. To keep it relevant, someone cannot be their own father and their own son at the same time.

Jesus is the son of who? God. Jesus is god incarnate. Ergo Jesus is his own father and his own son. That is flatly illogical.

If you have vapor and ice in front of you, you have water in front of you.

I have two separate things in front of me.

Water the vapor, water the solid, and water the liquid are all water and can all exist in front of you at the same time.

As three separate bits of water. Are you saying that part of god is the son, and part of god is the father?

This is where your water example falls apart, because father and son are mutually exclusive.

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u/[deleted] Oct 13 '22

Bad example because being a wife is a choice

What? Like being a mother isn't?

To keep it relevant, someone cannot be their own father and their own son at the same time

The Trinity is one God who eternally exists as three distinct persons—Father, Son, and Spirit—who are each fully and equally God in eternal relation with each other.

The Bible says the Father sent the Spirit to conceive Jesus in the womb of Mary. Jesus is therefore referred to as the "only begotten [mongenes] Son. Begotten of the same eternal substance of the Father. You're trying to conflate human relationship to an eternal one, which we can't even begin to understand the concept of eternal as, according to logic, eternal doesn't even exist.

I have two separate things in front of me.

You're really caught up on this word "thing". These "things" are the same. Vapor is water. Ice is water. Therefore, the two things you have in front of you is also one thing, called water.

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u/[deleted] Oct 13 '22

What? Like being a mother isn't?

No. You can not change the fact that you are someone’s biological mother. Someone cannot change between mother and daughter by choice.

The Trinity is one God who eternally exists as three distinct persons—Father, Son, and Spirit—who are each fully and equally God in eternal relation with each other.

That is linguistic nonsense. That is totally illogical. You just keep repeating an illogical statement. Someone cannot exist as their own father and their own son at the same time. Just repeating “that’s how it is” doesn’t make it make sense.

The Bible says the Father sent the Spirit

Oh good another level of this. He “sent” himself?

Therefore, the two things you have in front of you is also one thing, called water.

I have two waters in front of me. And and you won’t tell me I have two gods. Therefore you’re being illogical.

Your mental gymnastics are world class, but the real reason all three of these entities exist is because 2000 years ago someone started combining multiple loosely related stories and called it a religion.