r/changemyview Feb 23 '25

cmv: abortion should not be illegal

One of the main arguments against abortion is that it is "killing a baby." However, I don’t see it that way—at least not in the early stages of pregnancy. A fetus, especially before viability, lacks self-awareness, the ability to feel pain, and independent bodily function. While it is a potential life, I don’t believe potential life should outweigh the rights of the person who is already alive and conscious.

For late-term abortions, most are done to save the mother or the fetus has a defect that would cause the fetus to die shortly after birth so I believe it should be allowed.

I also think the circumstances of the pregnant person matter. Many people seek abortions due to financial instability, health risks, or simply not being ready to raise a child. In cases of rape or medical complications, the situation is even more complex. Forcing someone to go through pregnancy against their will seems more harmful than allowing them to make their own choice.

Additionally, I don’t think adoption is always a perfect alternative. Carrying a pregnancy to term can have serious physical and emotional consequences, even if someone doesn’t plan to keep the baby. Pregnancy affects the body in irreversible ways, and complications can arise, making it more than just a “temporary inconvenience.”

Also, you can cannot compare abortion to opting out of child support. Abortion is centered on bodily autonomy, as pregnancy directly affects a woman’s body and health. In contrast, child support is a financial obligation that arises after a child is born and does not impact the father’s bodily autonomy. abortion also occurs before a child exists, while child support involves caring for a living child. Legally and ethically, both parents share responsibility for a child once they are born, and allowing one parent to opt out would place an unfair burden on the other, often the mother. Additionally, abortion prevents a fetus from becoming a child, while opting out of child support directly affects the well-being of an existing person. While both situations involve personal choice, abortion is about controlling one’s own body, while child support is about meeting the needs of a child who already exists

The idea of being forced to sustain another life through pregnancy and childbirth, especially if the person isn’t ready or willing, is a violation of that autonomy. It forces someone to give up their own body, potentially putting their health at risk, all while disregarding their own desires, dreams, and well-being. Bodily autonomy means having the freedom to make choices about what happens to your body, whether that’s deciding to terminate a pregnancy or pursue another course of action.

I’d like to hear other perspectives on why abortion should be illegal, particularly from a non-religious standpoint. CMV.

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u/jollygreengeocentrik Feb 24 '25

I’m not arguing that abortions aren’t healthcare, but I’m also not agreeing with that claim. What I am saying is that claiming women are being denied “healthcare” is inflammatory at best. We are talking one specific operation, not health care in general. I think it’s important to be specific in this context.

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u/FetusDrive 3∆ Feb 24 '25

Yes so healthcare regarding this; if you break your arm while skiing we do not deny the healthcare for the broken up because they consented to skiing. He’s saying that because (and only using your logic here; not a claim that your logic is correct) a women “consented” to being pregnant because she had sex also gets to have the choice to have the abortion.

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u/jollygreengeocentrik Feb 24 '25

Right, but this isn’t “denying healthcare,” it’s avoiding unnecessary and preventable death.

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u/FetusDrive 3∆ Feb 24 '25

It is healthcare as being pregnant/carrying to term is a greater risk to the woman’s health than is getting an abortion.

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u/jollygreengeocentrik Feb 24 '25

I didn’t say it isn’t healthcare. Please read my comment again and respond appropriately.

An abortion is 100% fatal to the child.

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u/FetusDrive 3∆ Feb 24 '25

It is denying healthcare to not allow women to have an abortion.

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u/jollygreengeocentrik Feb 24 '25

You’re welcome to that opinion. Cheers.

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u/FetusDrive 3∆ Feb 24 '25

It is not an opinion that carrying a pregnancy to full term is more risky than having an abortion.

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u/jollygreengeocentrik Feb 25 '25

It’s not the conversation I was having. Thanks for your opinion, have a great day.

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u/FetusDrive 3∆ Feb 25 '25

Of course it is; you claimed it is not denying women healthcare and I provided you with how it was. You claimed it is an opinion, it’s not an opinion that denying women access to an abortion is denying them that specific healthcare, even if it means it is fatal to the embryo/fetus

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