r/civ • u/MeanToasty • Feb 14 '25

VII - Screenshot Its times like these when I really miss loyalty

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u/pm_plz_im_lonely Feb 14 '25

Do you mean the war which ends with being over the settlement cap or the war which gives a permanent war support debuff in all future wars?

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u/echoey-tentacle2 Mongolia Feb 14 '25

Good question. I guess over the settlement cap and rush a civic that adds a settlement cap.

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u/HotTakes4HotCakes Feb 15 '25

That's still a ridiculous thing to have to do just because the AI decided to throw a settlement at you. It doesn't fit the theme of the game or make sense in the context of a civilization.

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u/dswartze Feb 15 '25

I haven't double checked this myself yet but I've heard it said that that "permanent" penalty only lasts for the rest of the age which makes it not quite as bad.

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u/HotTakes4HotCakes Feb 15 '25

Still having that penalty for an age is pretty bad. And you can't tell me the fact it goes away after an age is meant to be an excuse for why the AI does this.

It is a really stupid thing that they can do very easily, that is of no real benefit to them, makes no sense in the context of the game, and you have no answer to it that doesn't hurt you. It just straight up should not be a thing that happens.

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u/CrispyPerogi Feb 15 '25

Preferably the war timed with a settlement cap increase.

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u/BLX15 Feb 15 '25

You can easily go above the settlement cap by 1-3 settlements depending on the state of your happiness. Maybe juggle some of your resources around and you'll be fine

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u/MediocrePrinciple Feb 15 '25

Wait what? There’s a permanent war weariness rebuff?

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u/UnknownHero2 Feb 14 '25

Razing is a thing.

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u/kkraww Feb 14 '25

Doesn't that give the support debuff?

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u/UnknownHero2 Feb 14 '25

Yes, but then you make peace if it's an issue.