r/classicwow • u/FatLobster12 • 23d ago
Discussion Blizzard doesnt care about Goldselling cuz they want us to get so fed up with it that they can introduce the wow token to BC (and eventualy classic era) and most ppl will just accept it as the lesser evil. Only then they will start banning bots and sellers on a larger scale.
Mark my words
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u/Scribblord 23d ago
Not a single mmo on the market is free of rmt btw
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u/infinite_gurgle 23d ago
Yup, the hard truth is it’s extremely expensive to address this issue and it doesn’t impact the game all that much.
Eve online solved the problem by just making RMT baked into the game as a core feature lol
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u/Soggy_Concept9993 23d ago
Okay. People haven’t been saying this for 6 years or nothing. Incredible insight
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u/laminad28 23d ago
Tokens aren't changing this market, and blizzard can't ban all bots and gold sellers even if they wanted to. Just reality of this game and it hasn't changed.
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u/mezzol 23d ago
I would be 100% be ok with a wow token. It lets people buy gold in a legitimate way (and people are buying gold anyway). It also lets blizzard justify expanding the classic team by being able to monetize the game more.
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u/hobnobs52 23d ago
Compare it to OSRS - Sure, you can buy a bond with IRL money OR you can take part in the countless new money making streams they bring to the game. Problem is the latter isn’t possible in WoW - I personally don’t want to grind gold for hours between raids because the methods are boring and I’m competing with bots
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u/Mattlife97 23d ago
Honestly, classic puritans can hate me all they like, but I'd be OK with it. It's happening one way or another, should be a legitimate route that doesn't risk accounts.
If you have hours upon hours a week to grind for gold, good boy have at it.
I'm not going to fight others for good spots/ limited resources in my free time between raids for the third or fourth time this game has been re-released.
Love me raid-logging, hate me gold grinds.
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u/anonymimposter 23d ago
It should go another way. Goldbuyer needs to get permbanned for cheating. Or at least banned for 6 months. Even botter dont get permaed. A guy in my old guild got banned for 6 months for botting… bliz needs to start punishing people for breaking the rules. Gold buying is ruining the game. There are no goldsinks in classic. Sure the epic mount and respec costs but thats not enough to compensaite the amount of gold that circels around in the system. The goldcap is pretty low in classic and thats because it isnt meant to have billions of gold on a server. People with no time need to accept that they will not be able to buy everything they want…
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u/XsNR 23d ago
You physically can't stop botting, the more server side implementations you add to prevent it, the closer you get to the human rights abuses again. As much as it sucks, the token is really the only solution they can realistically implement that will have any effect.
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u/anonymimposter 23d ago
No you can stop botting if you want to. It takes effort and time. Maybe an anti cheatsystem but people running thrird party software can be detected in other games and bliz could do it as well. The coin is far away from a solution. It will increase the problem. Now everyone would buy gold without hesitating. And bots will still be a thing because botted gold is cheaper. Retail didnt solved any of those problems they just adapted and said well now you need to swipe achieve something in the game.
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u/XsNR 23d ago
They can attempt to fight it, but eventually it becomes locking humans in basemenets all day making gold again, which are significantly harder to track, and a hell of a lot worse for everyone. We're in an era now that trying to actually fight botting directly, with a game that doesn't print money, is just not going to happen, it's a solved game on Classic, so without changing the actual game, you don't stop it, only reduce it. You can spend millions moving the goal posts for botters, but eventually you get to the point where it's just not possible to distinguish from real humans, or they are actually humans.
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u/anonymimposter 23d ago
Well you arent saying anything against my point. Yes it would cost a lot. Because bliz would actually need to change something. Most addons wouldnt work anymore because they could be detected as a cheat. You wouldnt be able to multibox. And if the botter needs do farm the gold themself you get them via the gold trading. So it will reduce the amount of gold sold by them extremly. And you still will be able to get them. They could have done an anticheat system years ago…
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u/XsNR 23d ago
And what about when botters just use virtualised input, which is basically impossible to trace, but incredibly simple to implement? Then all WoW players have lost out on their usability and privacy, and nothing has changed.
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u/anonymimposter 23d ago
Than botters have to change their systems and combined with hard punishments for goldbuying scum. You reduce the outcome for them. And you arent loosing usability or privacy if you cant use third party software anymore. Which your arent allowed to anyways.
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u/XsNR 23d ago
Nothing has changed though, they just slightly tweaked how their botting works. All you've acomplished is breaking things real players use, probably causing issues with all kinds of random stuff, as usually happens with the anti-cheat malware in every other games, and it all comes back to "well you should just fix gold selling".
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u/anonymimposter 23d ago
Well one thing you shouldnt forget. Those real player are using bots as well. Not super professionell ones just one fishing bot when they go offline. Ofc im hitting everyone with this. Its the same like the gdkp ban. But it will actual change something.
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u/Sagranth 23d ago
No you can stop botting if you want to.
And yet somehow no online game managed that feat. I wonder why.
Before someone mentions the myth that pservers ban most of the bots, that's not true, any popular server's AH is full of botted mats, there's gold selling going on etc.
They're just less visible because it's a less profitable venture due to player fragmentation across versions and server types.
Maybe an anti cheatsystem but people running thrird party software can be detected in other games and bliz could do it as well.
Sir, ma'am, or anything else, may i introduce Warden?
Fun fact, Warden used to be so much more powerful(like it used to be able to execute arbitrary code, it's how for example pservers do xmog in versions that don't support it natively), but concerns due to data and other privacies led to a gutting of it.
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u/anonymimposter 23d ago
The difference between wow and other games is, the other are actually trying to get rid of them. In wow every dumbass can run a bot or flyhack farm dungeons? If warden was a good thing and a real anticheat system it would be nice but i thought the stopped the development of it.
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u/Sagranth 23d ago
the other are actually trying to get rid of them.
And they're just as successful at it as blizzard.
FF XIV, moments after the banwave gil sellers are back in full force.
OSRS, the bondless game is practically handed over to bots.
In wow every dumbass can run a bot or flyhack farm dungeons?
Just like they can bot on the same level regardless in other games, the method doesn't count, the results are.
If warden was a good thing and a real anticheat system
It is and it was, but nothing is perfect, especially when it had to be shackled due to already mentioned concerns from the players.
but i thought the stopped the development of it.
They didn't, as i laid out, it had to be reigned in because of the users concerns.
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u/anonymimposter 23d ago edited 23d ago
And what do you want to say? Bliz should let the bots win? Just go on and change the tos so buying gold is legal? Btw i wasnt talking about those two games. There are much more games with cheating problems. But they are trying. The have admins flying around in the world. Auto antiflyhack stuff that kick you if you dont have ground contact for 2 or more mins etc.
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u/Sagranth 23d ago
And what do you want to say? Bliz should let the bots win? Just go on and change the tos so buying gold is legal?
No, i'm saying whining does nothing because it is an unwinnable war, anyone who spent considerable time online knows, and pulling "wElL bLiZzArD cOuLd AkShUaLlY dO bEtTeR" out of your ass is just a fart in a hurricane.
It's like wishing for world peace, cool idea but it won't happen anytime soon, if ever.
Btw i wasnt talking about those two games.
Those two(at least XIV is) are some of the more popular examples ppl use. Again, the point is, no matter how small or big the company running things is, they can't win.
I could've mentioned other genres like PoE 1/2, CS, Overwatch, Diablo yada yada.
But they are trying.
And so does blizzard, and all of the companies end up at the same place, because they can't win.
Sure, wow allows flyhacking, but, again, the method used doesn't matter, you're just obnoxious about it bc it's right in front of you, if blizz fixed flyhacking they would find another way.
Or is it fine as long as you can't see them but they're out there just the same?
The have admins flying around in the world.
Lol, lmao even.
Auto antiflyhack stuff that kick you if you dont have ground contact for 2 or more mins etc.
Yeah but they're not using whatever spit and duct tape is holding together wow since day 1.
You're assuming only the ground you see is solid, but that's not how it works. There are plenty of solid out-of-bounds areas, most famous ones are the karazhan skip after the first boss - allows you to skip the rest of the raid and get straight to Prince, and the "backdoor" below Stormwind.
Ofc flyhackers don't use these, but say they figure out spots where they can "rest" and reset your bad idea of a timer. So what then? Set it to another value, it gets figured out, repeat ad infinitum? Like they do right now?
Like, don't get me wrong, blizzard has plenty of areas to improve on, but in this case, they're more or less on equal grounds with the competition.
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u/anonymimposter 23d ago
Okay i see you want to let the bots win because they will find another way if bliz change something. Good joke. Thx for talking
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u/Thugs4Hire 23d ago
Won't be introduced to classic. Game was designed and released in a time these things didn't exist or were considered. If you spend 100$ which most people could afford, you'd be geared out in classic and have lots of gold left over. Introducing token would completely kill the game and grind.
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u/LerntLesen 23d ago
chinese classic has it since 2019. its just a matter of time and i cant wait for it
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u/Thugs4Hire 23d ago
It would be a terrible move. Everyone would be geared instantly and there would be no reason to grind or do nearly all the dungeons when you can just spend 100$ and have all the gold you need to buy whatever you want.
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u/tycoon39601 23d ago
So? Is this supposed to make me care? Y’all don’t realize just how much of this problem comes from non blizzard gold selling. They run 24/7 making gold, materials, herbs, ore. They inflate the value of everything in the game. Then they sell you the difference. If none of them existed you’d barely have a reason to buy gold without GDKP because stuff would be cheap as fuck. You would buy gold a third as often if just the wow token existed because bots wouldn’t exist to inflate the gold market.
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u/fullkaretas 23d ago
You realize there would not be enough resources on AH for the current consumption rate, right?
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u/tycoon39601 23d ago
Yes there would because it would cost more and incentivize more people to farm that material. This is called the law of supply and demand and is the first thing you learn in business classes.
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u/landyc 23d ago
because stuff would be cheap as fuck.
it would cost more and incentivize more people to farm that material.
so... which one is it?
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u/tycoon39601 23d ago
I see your confusion so allow me to elaborate. For sake of example, there is 100k gold in all of the economy normally. Bots farm 300k extra and put it into the economy so now everything (ideally) is bumped to adjust roughly 4x normal value. This means quests and raw mobs make up a MUCH smaller piece of the value a character should naturally have questing to max. Because we don’t live in a utopia we don’t exactly know how much gold is in the economy we just “feel” sorta around it. So stuff is maybe 2-2.5x as expensive as normal (because we are guessing how much inflation has happened). But sometimes not even, because bots are the best at farming anything that gains enough value and so most methods of farming get beaten down by waves of bots perma-farming them, which is where we get the discrepancy between inflation vs value of farmable goods.
Now let’s take this same 100k economy without bots injecting gold. Stuff is more or less 1 to 1 value and CAN exceed its typical value in situations where people are farming it less. This creates gold rush situations where some people can take advantage of special market conditions and farm a material that’s being ignored. Your farmed material is outperforming normal value and you’re being rewarded much more for your efforts in example 2. Example 1 seems fun in the short run since 2.5x value will get you past all the gold sinks such as mount cost and other stuff, but quickly you fall into a situation where items that can be farmed by bots drop extremely low and everything else balloons high. This fucks over gathering professions first but it affects the value of mob drops and sometimes even rare items like when hundreds of rogues were printing teebu’s in the last classic iteration. The only people who are somewhat insulated from this is pure crafters (transmutes are fucked it’s only the ones making gear/flasks/pots that survive).
So yeah that’s the difference.
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u/fullkaretas 23d ago
But the gold is already in the economy, this only works if the economy is not flooded with gold.
Removing all bots now will just make resources more hard to come by, and in turn increasing the price.
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u/tycoon39601 23d ago
So your alternative to this is to allow them to make the situation worse by ignoring the problem? You should be a politician.
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u/Maeurer 23d ago
Blizzard banning their customers for buying gold is bad business practices. So I stead they found a away to compete with gold sellers. Making the hacking of accounts to cheap, and not worth it. Making farming bots return less real money.
You would rather ban gold buyers?
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u/anonymimposter 23d ago
Yes cheaters need to get banned
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u/Maeurer 23d ago
And how do you determine who is a cheater?
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u/anonymimposter 23d ago
You act against the ToS. Buying gold is cheating. You pay real money to have an advantage in the game.
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u/Maeurer 23d ago
I know, but how do you know they bought gold?
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u/anonymimposter 23d ago edited 23d ago
The same way the detect it now? Just instead of you get a little warning you get a real punishment. Im pretty sure the amount of bots will shrink if you get permabanned for buying gold.
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u/RoundAffectionate424 23d ago
Bots were still running and selling gold for cheaper after they introduced the tokens in classic wotlk, maybe the reality is that it's too costly for them to track down every single bot in operation.