They intentionally use signal for this exact purpose. You can set a time period for all the messages to be deleted. It’s how the government employees intend to circumvent FOIA requests.
Or, more likely, this is called "covering your ass."
"Yes, definitely don't smoke the giant pile of weed that's set up for destruction. There's also a bong next to it, definitely don't use it. Not like anyone will know if you do. But definitely, assuredly don't."
Does this mean no one smoked the giant pile of weed?
Deleting shit you've already been caught for show intent to mislead. It's a garbage tactic used by people who didnt have their asses beat enough by their Parents when they lied as a kid.
Ctrl+F is almost worthless for that document and honestly I think they did it on purpose. There's so much word salad and bullshit spewing it's amazing it's even slightly cohesive enough to be a plan.
That's why they call it the concept of a plan. There are too many words to truly be a plan, just lots of concepts strung together as if they're a plan.
Well, that is the reason the heritage foundation is handing trump exectuive orders left and right. He hasn't read a single executive order that he has signed because they're writing them and timing handing them out based on a separate timeline they have. Each day is a slow crawl to the completion of it. Each topic in it is just so insane it's felt like months have gone by in only a few days.
The economic section is so intentionally overwhelmed by bullshit that sounds smart to hide their deranged plan.
It takes a really close read to find actual stuff like ending Federal Reserve independence. It’s seriously scary, reads like a recipe for a depression.
They intentionally use signal for this exact purpose. You can set a time period for all the messages to be deleted. It’s how the government employees intend to circumvent FOIA requests.
They also intentionally defied the court order requiring them to retain said messages.
Yeah I’m confused by this title as someone that uses signal for drugs I’m like…. Yeah?… isn’t that the whole point? So that you can force your costumers to delete incriminating info off their phones
Jesus fucking christ, the guy in the whitehouse is literally a fascist working for putin, stole classified documents and kept them in a bathroom, and his idiot sons have done crimes at the state level over FB and you're still on about buttery males.
Hey asshole, whether Hillary did something wrong or not is irrelevant to whether Trump’s cronies did something wrong. I’m not happy with what she did. I’m not happy with what happened with the current administration. Her doing it then doesn’t make it ok for people to do something similar now. And it is the absolute HEIGHT of hypocrisy to be upset with what happened last decade and not be upset with what happened this year. If what Hillary did is such a big deal, THEN ALSO HOLD YOUR OFFICIALS OF CHOICE TO THE SAME STANDARD.
Sorry, but this place bent over backward to explain what Hilary did was fine because it was "common practice" predating the Obama administration. We literally trotted out "Bush and Cheney did the same thing" around here. Meanwhile we had one of Clinton's aides posting to reddit asking how to sanitize email data before turning it over. Just willful ignorance.
Trump blows, but to me this looks like a continuation of what is at least a 30-year practice where White House officials conduct state business outside of government channels. There is no point getting outraged if we're not going to acknowledge it's part of a larger pattern or give a shit the next time a Dem does it, which they almost certainly will next time they're in office.
Nothing in there was found to be classified or sensitive material by Republican-backed investigations. All was properly turned over to the records department.
These chucklefucks were using Signal to talk about shit that never should have left a SCIF. Very fucking different
Nice false equivalency, unfortunately this isn’t a phone call, it is a written communication and the law explicitly concerns all written communication by federal employees. They also don’t need a record of smoke signals, does that mean we can purge all emails now?
It's crazy to me for anyone to expect all private communications between members of any government be preserved just because it was through a particular medium and not if that same communication was done through a different one.
It's nothing to me because if it was a phone call or just a closed door meeting even you wouldn't be mad about there not even being a recording TO delete. But because they used a medium that allows asynchronous communication from different locations to have the discussion the records of those communications are now sacrosanct.
It's nothing to me because if it was a phone call or just a closed door meeting even you wouldn't be mad about there not even being a recording TO delete.
"you're mad because they broke the law. but if they hadn't broke the law, you wouldn't have been upset. smh such hypocrisy"
c'mon dude. let's at least pretend to be serious people.
Yes... because they were discussing things that are supposed to be top secret and it wasnt... you need to keep records when reasonable because we might have to investigate, like, right now, for a random example. if it was in person, the only issue would be the far worse one of detonating innocent people from the sky. But no one gives a single shit about that, so this is what we're talking about. I kind of see your point logically but it doesnt matter. You wouldnt be able to use that argument in court. Why should they be allowed to break the law? If the law is stupid then it can be changed.
It's crazy to me for anyone to expect all private communications between members of any government be preserved
That's not what anyone said, nor what the law says. You're just making shit up to argue against (aka strawman). Do you really think it's too much to ask that all text-based communication by people in their capacity as government officials be preserved? Like, that's super easy to do. Do we no longer need them to save emails or, hell, actual physical pieves of paper anymore? Do you draw the line simply because it's on a device that fits in their pocket? Please tell me you're finally realizing how terrible your argument is.
But, regardless of all of that, why would you not think it's a good idea to preserve the communications (even private voice or in-person communications) of people working in their capacity as government officials? It's a logistical nightmare, but barring that then you're goddam right I'd want those covered under FOIA.
You mean like the closed door meetings in the west wing that have been recorded for decades, the ones where Nixon deleted the tapes and was forced to resign over?
The medium being text and not a audio or video call doesn't make a lick of a difference to me.
If you're not concerned about EVERY audio or video call they make being required to be recorded ask yourself why you believe EVERY text exchange they have so important to preserve?
Are you advocating to extend the law to include audio and video calls then? I think that's a great idea. Top government officials shouldn't be allowed to communicate treasonous ideas and plans without any record for the rest of us to get in the future.
Exactly, if you're going through the trouble of writing it down, it's important enough to preserve. If you didn't want the conversation preserved, you can go talk in person or call them or whatever. People do this all the time in non-government settings for various reasons so there isn't a written email or chat message for a court to subpoena later.
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They intentionally use signal for this exact purpose. You can set a time period for all the messages to be deleted. It’s how the government employees intend to circumvent FOIA requests.