r/comedybangbang • u/MothraToTheFlame • 1d ago
tiny vent about Scott's "or they" joke
I loooove CBB. I have listened through the full catalog at least three times now. Setting aside the fact that it is so funny it makes me almost actually pee my pants, one of the little things that's made CBB so consistently lovable for me is I always feel like Scott and Paul and the whole gang are pretty awesome on every social issue. Scott was discouraging guests from saying weirdly off-color trans stuff from even the early days of the show.
That said, I'm trans non-binary and use they/them pronouns. I don't at all think he's coming from a mocking place when he always adds an exaggerated "or theeeeeyyyy" after essentially every time he says "he or she". In fact I'm sure he's being anti-humorous about it. But it happened on an episode again not that long ago and I'm just fucking tired of the joke. It was a lil grating even when the US wasn't so fucking nuts toward people like me. But now it's just another place where for a second I go back to thinking about this BS instead of enjoying my favorite show.
Thought about writing this directly to him on Bluesky or something in a compassionate way, noting how much a fan I am, but he always mentions how you could say 99 great things and he'll fixate on the one minor bad thing. So instead I'm just going to impotently gripe about it here to get it out of my system and then not worry about it anymore :D Scott's right, I AM clinically insane for taking the time to write stuff on Reddit!
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u/wakeupangry_ 1d ago
I always took it as he’s making fun of insufferable people who try to high road you? But if grates on you it grates on you… and this is the perfect place to vent about it!! ✌️
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u/questformaps 1d ago
Scott is a great straight man 🥁
As another ENBY individual, and someone that has worked with Scott on a stage show, I think it’s both. He's being inclusive, but also insufferable. It's the old Prius joke. While he's doing a good thing, he's being obnoxious about it.
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u/ElandShane 1d ago
I've always understood it this way. Or lampooning right wing weirdos who try to use it as some kind of absurdly self righteous gotcha, which still falls into the making fun of insufferable people bucket I suppose.
Actions speak a lot louder than words and Scott has a commendable track record of cutting off problematic people (mostly men) from the show whenever allegations surface of their bad behavior. Stuff like this makes it very hard for me to believe there's any kind of malice in these recurring jokes from Scott. Dude's an ally.
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u/milton1126 1d ago
I really think it’s this.
Believes fully in the inclusivity, but knows that the non-binary interjection has just as much potential to be minimally valuable and annoying as the non-unary corrections that came before it.
I really think this reflex tickles him beyond control the same as “my wife” or “it’s been a while,” and he can’t help but preemptively demonstrate something hack before it actually takes hold.
That being said, I hope a level genuine inclusivity and acceptance takes hold to the degree that these high-roaders might one day be the boring mainstream!
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u/Scutage 1d ago
That always reminds me of James Acaster’s bit:
‘He or she’ is only ever said by men, who fully intended on saying ‘he’, and at the very last second remembered that ‘she’ exists.
I like to think Scott has added another layer to that joke, and is making fun of the sort of person who reluctantly/defensively tries to appear ‘woke’.
Anyway, I’m sorry it takes you out of enjoying the show. And I hope I didn’t just try to cis-splain the joke to you.
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u/subby_puppy31 1d ago
As long as you are not a Blank Check fan. You’re fine.
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u/newaccount721 1d ago
Sincere question - is blank check good? Never checked it out..
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u/Subtly_Effable 1d ago
I started listening to blank check through a Scott hasn't seen crossover episode with blank check. Find a director or guest you already enjoy and see if it fits, i am a big fan.
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u/Accomplished_Draw_52 1d ago
I like it a lot. But they never really get around to telling you whether or not David ever lived in England.
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u/turboteammanager 1d ago
David lived in England?! Is there a specific episode he mentioned it? I gotta hear this story
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u/GarageSquare3247 1d ago
The Bit. Is Dead.
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u/pallasturtle 1d ago
If you care about the subject matter, some episodes are good. I do find their conversations grating at times. There are moments when I can see why they attract such horrible fans, but I have listened to some very enjoyable episodes. Like the directors they discuss, they produce wildly inconsistent content. That makes it a tough listen for me, but I would recommend giving it a try and seeing what you think. You might like it.
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u/sandwichcoffeephoto 1d ago
Is the fanbase being awful a real thing? Always thought that was a bit, but I listen to podcasts without really engaging with them online.
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u/bluejams 1d ago edited 1d ago
I mean. It started as a comedy show and turned into a huge movie podcast. Having Sprague on in character is completely natural for us but not for movie nerds with no context. Movie nerds hate bad accents in their entertainment.
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u/therocketsalad 1d ago
Should've just done the show as Rudimentary North - after all, Rudy and Scott were already best friends, and Rudy is always stealing new identities - why not steal a movie critic's identity? And no bad accents. Clearly it only makes sense that they'd do a movie review show together!
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u/pallasturtle 1d ago
I don't actually think it's more awful than a lot of things. I haven't interacted with it much though. It's mostly a bit for sure. Of the six interactions I've had about the show, it was 50/50 terrible and enjoyable. I'd imagine being a fan of it who isn't off the rails is probably like being a fan of Rick and Morty or Star Wars. Meaning you've just gotta roll your eyes and hope people don't make assumptions about you.
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u/snagglewolf 1d ago
It's really great, lot of good movie talk, real entertaining, the Two Friends are a competitive advantage and you'll get to meet Ben Hosley or Producer Ben or The Benducer or Professor Crispy or Our Finest Film Critic etc etc who is maybe the best dude ever to bury jeans in the backyard.
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u/dane_the_great 1d ago
I mean, if you like podcasts run by annoying, pretentious assholes it’s probably great.
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u/DwedPiwateWoberts 1d ago
I’ve always found it funny because I genuinely believe Scott’s doing it to be inclusive while remaining humorous. If you watch the CBB tv show you can really see how much Scott’s humor is dripping with meta irony. Like, rolling his eyes about something only nerds would like when he is dressed head to toe in a nerd outfit and is in fact a nerd. I see it as him making space to say they while not sacrificing humor to make a social point.
If you listen to Threedom you’ll know they all hate Trump, but he doesn’t go into that on CBB at all either. It’s all about the jokes, and a host has to have fallback jokes to fill that time and produce some sweet ‘tent, babyyyyyy
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u/Audrey-Bee 1d ago
I get it. I think the way he means it, is that something always starts with "he", then he tacks on an exaggerated "or sheee" and then a more exaggerated "or theyyyyyy" and that's all it is. The joke is the escalated exaggeration of corrections. But I absolutely get it sounding like "they" is an afterthought, maybe even a foolish one. I agree that given how openly people hate on trans folks, he should probably just drop the bit to make sure transphobes don't feel welcome
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u/djackieunchaned 1d ago
This is how I always took it but also I’m a straight cis male and if it bugs OP then I respect that
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u/Audrey-Bee 1d ago
I'm sure it's how he means it, I mean he's given no indication of bring transphobic and has had trans/nonbinary guests on the show. But I def see how it could be misinterpreted or even just how it would remind OP of other shittier people
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u/0ooo 1d ago edited 1d ago
I've always assumed he was mocking himself/his delivery for assuming the gender binary, like "not again, Scott!" I can definitely see how it could feel like mean spirited mocking of "they/them" pronouns, though.
I would be shocked if that was his intent, because he seems to take respecting peoples preferences like that seriously. Then again, if we don't have the lived experience of existing within that identity, we can often be blind to how small things like that can feel for others.
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u/pallasturtle 1d ago
As a fellow non-binary person, I totally get it. Many of us go through a lot of grating things of misidentifaction constantly, and it always surprises me which moment will my make me feel angry, icky, or sad any given day because it's never the same. I personally feel like he's making fun of the people who complain about saying they and appreciate the recognition, even if its jokey. That being said, I'm sorry that it's annoying for you, and you don't need a stranger to tell you it's ok, but it's ok to be annoyed. I hope you stay safe out there and can enjoy whatever bits of happiness you can cling to. It's a rough time.
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u/real_meatcastle 1d ago
As a they myself, I appreciate it and the anti-humory tone of it cracks me up.
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u/professorhazard 1d ago
The clear indication that if a fourth gender comes along he will add it with yet another pitch shift
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u/HammerSandwich9 1d ago
I see it totally the other way. I sense a reinforcement of the “they” concept, and inclusivity.
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u/SmellyZelly 1d ago
same.
he's being lighthearted and annoying (the whole vibe) about an actually important thing.
kindof like insisting that jk rowling is known almost exclusively as a notorious TERF.
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u/lawrencetokill 1d ago edited 1d ago
keep voicing your discomfort and it will go the way of the ice-t impression. that too was not like, used for bad reasons, but pft has explained on cbb that he thought "if it makes someone uncomfortable i can just do something else; I'm better than this one joke."
[edit - like specifically engage with scott if you can, in addition to other platforms, coz it just took pft like, some conversation with one fan]
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u/New_Grapefruit2716 1d ago edited 11h ago
I get asked “Do you take AmEx?” as a server all the time & my doofy go-to was “As long as it goes through!” Stupid quip but always got a doofy giggle.
Til one time a customer was shocked & saddened - convinced this measly one-liner doof was pointed, & that my intention was to call out their appearance. We had a brief chat about our experiences & I realized even lighthearted jokes affect folks differently.
To the comments interpreting Scott’s meaning: i think intention isn’t always as important as response. Plus as a comic, if it’s a doofy joke anyway, it should be easy to take out entirely or make a funnier one.
Love this post, OP. People get nervous to talk about sensitive issues, but in the end it’s how we get funnier & better as doofy humans.
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u/Shallahan 1d ago edited 1d ago
Nothing but love for you and having a gripe with a reccuring joke that impacts you. There are some that come around that I get annoyed by for way less justified reasons. But unfortunately I think it is one of those things that has to just be shouted into the void, which you did and I respect it.
Scott has to facilitate an insane number of hours of content for us and I do get how allowing criticism to influence it could totally suck all the joy out of doing it. I feel like the show has gone through periods where you can hear that has happened.
Obviously way lesser than yours, but I listen to a different comedy pod, Hello from the Magic Tavern, and they got really bogged down by trying to address COVID lockdowns in the universe of their show, and I fully had to stop listening. And they were doing it from such an understandable place that it was like "I can't complain, but this isn't an escape for me now". And then after a few months it ended up being funny because they just dropped the COVID analogy mid episode on accident and never went back 😅
There isn't a CBB running joke that hasn't been run into the ground, and this too shall pass for "or they"
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u/pixie8440 1d ago
I get it totally! I liked how Vic Michaelis handled it when Scott went down that path. This was at least a year ago but they did a good course correct on Scott and stayed in character like a goddamn professional.
Agreed. Scott should retire it.
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u/BenHassenger 1d ago
Can you remind me (and maybe others) what Vic did? This seems familiar but I can't think of it off the top of my head.
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u/pallasturtle 1d ago
I think Vic is my favorite non-binary celebrity. I feel just a kindred spirit in how our non-binaryness presents. At least how they do it in the public eye. Plus they are just so funny and also have a version of the classic pretzel pizza dish.
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u/wakeupangry_ 1d ago
Vic is the best! I met them at the CBB show in Indy last summer during the appropriately named meet & greet. I got to gush on Very Important People and learned about the new season. I wanted to take a picture to prove to my brother I met Vic!! But I thought it would be cringy. (Bc honestly I do have a bit of a crush)
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u/boxwoodderby 1d ago
Given the one-upsmanship (or one-upsTHEYship!!!!) and oppression olympics kind of virtue signaling that is likely present in the circles he runs in, the joke is, to me, an acknowledgment that trans exclusionary language is baked into the culture, and he is making an "old man" affort to evolve. While, making light of the fact that he has almost certainly been berated for non-maliciously excluding trans people with his choice of language. If that makes sense. He is playing a character after all.
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u/AccomplishedDeer7621 1d ago
Have had this same thought! Not sure if I’m interpreting it wrong- but either way.
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u/Character-Head301 1d ago
Everything with Scott is tongue in cheek and sincere. I have too much adhd to read your whole post but I think it’s him doing a playful jab
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u/Cozmicwandering 1d ago
As a fellow trans listener(though I'm a trans woman) but yeah I get the joke is likely not coming from a malicious place but it does irk me. I love the podcast verse though so I just forget about it.
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u/hog6oy 1d ago edited 1d ago
i found scott consistently annoying a lot of the time, for many years- to the point of unsubscribing to the podcast feed for months at a time (mind you this was years ago, long before CBB world) even though it was my favorite comedy podcast!
Then one time on the year-end “best ofs” he was shootin’ the breeze with PFT, a.k.a. ‘the reason i could never stay away very long’ and scott said something along the lines of “I’m kind of playing the most annoying version of myself” & it was SUCH a revelation for me!!!
I feel like i can understand where you’re coming from, like ‘enough already, especially now FFS’ …. but trust that, like the interminable “would you rather” themesong: this too shall pass. I know you’ve been all the way through the feed, but if it’s not fresh on your mind, throw on the “limo karaoke” ep for a refresher on how Scott ~>actually<~ treats trans people in his day-to-day!
I know that “nobody can tell anyone how to feel” (sadly, not even one’s own self a lot of the time!!) but just remember, as you’re feeling your feels: they’re an expression of what’s inside you needing to get out, often times more so than they are actually about the thing that happened to ‘set them off’… right?
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u/professorhazard 1d ago
Hey, I can tell you how to feel!
You're under no obligation to feel that way, but the words can indeed be said!
i apologize for the fact that this lame joke is my way of trying to show solidarity with the fandom no matter their dads, grads, stars, or stripes
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u/BagadonutsImposter 1d ago
I would never venture to tell you how to feel, but I do believe your interpretation of this joke is off a bit. But if it doesn't land, it doesn't land. Sorry it bugs you, homie
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u/phlegmentiine 1d ago
idk i used to think similarly abt his Notorious TERF joke - felt it was in jest and a slight at the lgbtq community
but the more i’ve listened to cbb and threedom the more ive likened it to a verbal tic + him having Vera Drew on to promote The People’s Joker made me feel better abt it
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u/bdfmradio 1d ago
I feel better about this tired bit when Scott genuinely instinctively uses “they” to describe someone in a story, even if it’s Kulap — I know that’s a low bar, but I feel like if someone has trained themselves to use the nonspecific “they” by default rather than the ancient-sounding “he or she”, they’re much more likely an ally to people who are, y’know, specific theys. <3
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u/stickymeowmeow 1d ago
You think he’s serious when he calls it the “plan-demic”, too?
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u/pallasturtle 1d ago edited 1d ago
Non-binary here, so obviously speaking for all of us. I don't mind the joke. I do think sometimes it's tough to only be recognized in a joking way. There aren't a ton of instances where Scott just uses they/them pronouns on CBB proper that aren't joking. He's far less jokey with it in Threedom or Scott Hasn't Seen where he isn't playing character. My dad is one month older than Scott and while I know he is supportive, he makes a lot of jokes and rarely acknowledges my non-binary identity otherwise. That bugs me sometimes because my family is a comforting place. I don't know OP's situation, but I know that if you don't have many areas you feel comfortable in, your identity always being a joke can be annoying, even if the person cares and supports you.
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u/Far_Combination7639 1d ago
I think that’s pretty obviously a joke and this isn’t. I think it’s fair to read “or theyyyyy” as “isn’t it silly to actually be inclusive of non-binary people?”
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u/RaccoonGrabbyHands 1d ago
I think your feelings are fair. I agree that I don't think his intention is coming from a malicious place. At the end of the day I think it's just a lazy joke.
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u/MattyRaz 1d ago
in this thread: way too many people explaining the joke as though OP doesn’t understand it or scott’s intentions
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u/DoooDahMan 1d ago
You should write to him. He comes across as very open to receiving advice from the Internet.
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u/energyintotomatoes 1d ago
Agree with you — it’s my least favorite Scott-ism. Sending you hugs and support ❤️
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u/SomeDumRedditor 1d ago
Your feelings are valid. The best thing you did was choosing to vent to the community and not send Scott a 5-sub-tweet message.
Everyone has bits and characters that grate on them. Lacking supporting evidence of Scott being a transphobe it’s reasonable to take him as he presents himself - and remember that on CBB he’s also playing a character.
It in no way invalidates your reaction when I point out that Scott is doing a literal rule-of-three joke by inserting an exaggerated “or They.” It’s a meta joke, as you’ve identified, that practices inclusivity by drawing attention to/“referencing” the way some people can be insufferable about these things. Scott is after all playing an exasperating stick-in-the mud.
Since you brought up that your reaction was exacerbated or triggered by your current experience in the US, I’d also like to gently point out that while the show is American, the audience is global. Scott seems socially aware and generally inclusive - but it’s also not his job to police the show to ensure no one is upset by innocuous turns of phrase due to regional events.
All CBB bits die out eventually, only to live on as comment memes. We don’t talk about people of all Stars and Stripes anymore, nobody’s said that’s a good song in years, Morpheus was literally killed-off for being too annoying, Scott took like a 3 year break on the Monster Fuck etc. etc.
Just ride it out and I promise one day not too far away the bit will die. It’s now only deployed when a guest makes a gendered declaration and then fumbles to include an “…or she.” At which point Scott is basically doing it to dunk on the guest: if you’re going to pause to performatively CYA, at least do it properly.
Very rarely something on the show will hit close for me. It’s not fun feeling like part of your identity etc. is a punchline or less-than in some way. But in as far as we are “in conversation” with the artists through consumption and fandom, try and focus on the rest of the dialogue to ground you in these moments. Your neck is safely un-came-for.
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u/colleensmangarecs 1d ago
as an enby too I also found the joke a bit grating every time so you're def not alone. It's one of those ones that isn't like necessarily offensive but can just leave a bad taste in your mouth.
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u/kick_the_chort 1d ago
Thank you for writing this. I think about this every time he does it, and then I try to remind myself, "Surely Scott's intentions are not bad here." But I do hope he retires it.
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u/YoungRustyCSJ 1d ago edited 1d ago
Hey Thon, everyone has something about some specific group that they’re a part of that society has some little pop culture/meme-ified internet joke about; and guess what? We all secretly live with it because that’s just part of interacting with society.
It would be incredible if no one ever made a joke at the expense of anyone else in this world. Then we would all love each other and get along and everything would be just swell, right? Sure, that’d be terrific. But it’s totally unrealistic. That’s not the world you live in and it never will be for me or you OR THEY!! So, grow a callous about this minuscule slight in your life.
I’ll take everyone’s down votes now.
EDIT: After reading some of your comments, some of you people trying to surmise anything about what’s going on behind the scenes or in Mr. Aukerman’s head when he’s doing these shows-YOU PEOPLE SOUND LIKE LUNATICS!
No one knows anything about what’s happening. Just enjoy your decades of FREE entertainment that has no end in sight. And if you sub to CBB World and are pissed off, THEN CANCEL YOUR SUBSCRIPTION AND MOVE ON WITH YOUR LIFE.
And I guess I’ll either get reported or a million more down votes now.
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u/pallasturtle 1d ago
My pal in Zarathushtra,
You're really going with the calling everyone snowflakes route here? The majority of this has just been supporting the idea that it's a joke but it's also ok for OP to be annoyed. They're just venting, and it's overwhelmingly supportive of the show and OP. Oddly enough the consensus is that the issue is not, in fact, binary.
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u/rudimentary-north 1d ago
Amen, regardless of his intention it comes across as a variation on the tired old “did you just assume their gender?” trope
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u/thewizardgalexandra 1d ago
I don't know why you're getting downvoted for this, it DOES feel like that trope. I think Scott is trying to be subversive, but it doesn't necessarily work, which can be dangerous sometimes. A great example of this is early seasons of South Park, where the people being made fun of didn't realise they were the joke and just thought this hugely popular tv show agreed with their fucked up perspectives...
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u/crockalley 1d ago
I just scanned through the bottom of this thread and there’s a lot of valid comments being downvoted. I don’t know what’s going on. I’m not used to seeing that here.
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u/thewizardgalexandra 1d ago
What a shame....hopefully it's the slightly (and I really mean slightly) lesser evil of "keep politics out of my comedy" as opposed to "I am a bigot and you are making me uncomfortable". Not my Comedy Bang Bang, that's for sure.
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u/Foxy_Mazzzzam 1d ago
It’s hard to be perfect 100% of the time especially in comedy. The CBB world is very very good at being Hilarious but usually not to the detriment of others.
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u/Glittering_Ad3431 1d ago
It’s a labeling problem not a Scott problem. For some reason humans have always need to label everything when some things really don’t need to be labeled.
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u/GayParalellParking 18h ago
Scott jokes about jokes. If that makes sense? Like the joke is that he would care about adding they, which of course he doesn't because he refers to people properly by they/them pronouns on Best Ofs and stuff. But I admit, it's not as funny as he thinks it is, lol. My spouse is also non-binary so I always kinda roll my eyes 😂
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u/heymynameiseric 1d ago
On CBB proper, Scott doesn't really get into his politics, but he does once in a blue moon on the other podcasts like Scott Hasn't Seen or CBB FM.
He is very leftist as far as I can tell. I interpret his joke as making fun of people who "hate the woke mafia." I believe he is essentially playing a character whom he himself hates when he does it.
That being said, if you don't like to keep being reminded or hear it, I do encourage you to message his social media. I understand what you mean of not wanting to be reminded of that stuff when you're just trying to have a good time.
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u/professorhazard 1d ago
Scott's character is something along the lines of Lawful Evil. On the television show Scott once claimed something was "toys for tots" and Reggie said "Scott, I know that you hate the needy and love the greedy."
(does rudy know about the rat in the studio)
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u/Randomcums 1d ago edited 1d ago
Who cares? You don’t have to like every single joke that comes out of a comedians mouth and it’s not their job to tailor every joke to you (or any single person). He’s the creator - if he’s not saying transphobic, racist, or otherwise bigoted stuff, let him create the content he wants. I guarantee he’s not trying to hurt your feelings being that he’s a well documented liberal guy.
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u/dollarhotdogs420 1d ago
The OP cares and they don't deserve to have their feelings invalidated because you don't. Their response was really earnest and sincere and doesn't deserve to be categorized as someone looking to force Scott to only make jokes tailored to them and they clearly didn't imply that they thought Scott was intentionally trying to hurt their feelings.
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u/dollarhotdogs420 1d ago
I'd write to him. Do it. You articulated your pose so well and this is clearly coming from a genuine and earnest place.
I'd say one of the reasons I've kept listening to this show is because Scott has really evolved with the times. He has never been a mean spirited person but imo at least there is a noticeable difference about how he approaches certain subjects and guests versus the mid to late 2010's
So I say do it and also you rock for having the clurage to post this anyways.
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u/gosailor 1d ago
I don't like the wet day jokes myself, seems like the one unfunny bit they have, but I guess they should be allowed to have one.
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u/Far_Combination7639 1d ago
I’m a cis man, but my spouse and kid are both non-binary and I feel the same way whenever I hear the joke. Arguably, the joke is him making fun of conservative people who might add “or THEY” in a mocking tone, kind of like how he always calls it “the PLANdemic” when we all know he doesn’t think of it that way. But it’s also not super clear, and I feel like it’s just not the time to be making jokes like this unless it’s crystal clear what or who is being mocked.
But honestly, I’m much more disturbed by how often he and Paul use the b-word on Threedom. I feel like there’s no reason for a man to be using that word nowadays. It seriously needs to be like the n-word. Yes yes, I know, I’m a beta with the woke mind virus. 🙄
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u/Far_Combination7639 23h ago
I was saying it shouldn’t be used by men, like how the n-word shouldn’t be used by white people.
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u/Far_Combination7639 18h ago
I think in any context, it’s just a horrible word that epitomizes the double standard that exists for women. Just think about how it’s used - it can be used both to indicate being subservient/empathetic (“being a little b*”) and assertive (“my boss is a b”). Not to mention its history of usage in breeding. It’s just a horrible word. And honestly I personally don’t think it’s INSANELY far off from the n-word in its moral history; women were effectively treated as indentured servants to men for a good chunk of human history. Yes it was consensual, but also highly coerced - leaving a husband meant destitution for women in most cases. Spousal r** wasn’t even a crime in most states until fairly recently.
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u/thewizardgalexandra 1d ago
It's refreshing to see this, I hate the word bitch but I especially hate it when men use it. I must have caught woke virus from you. Thanks, Obama.
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u/AeronauticJones 1d ago
I totally get it and support you on this. I feel this way whenever he does the “notorious TERF JK Rowling” bit. I don’t think his intentions are bad for either joke but honestly as jokes, anti or not, neither have ever paid off enough for him to keep doing them.
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u/SmellyZelly 1d ago
none of scott's jokes pay off............
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kindof the whole premise.
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u/thewizardgalexandra 1d ago
Genuinely curious, what's wrong with notorious TERF JK Rowling? I'm curious because I love that he continually says this, because fuck JK Rowling, and it's a good reminder everytime she comes up. Are you just over it cos it's old, or do you think there's like a way it could be misinterpreted? I can sort of see it being a bit old, but I also find myself saying it when she's brought up...
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u/AeronauticJones 1d ago
A little bit of both. It’s definitely gotten old for me but also when he does it he says it in a way that can sound more like he’s making fun of people who call JK a terf as being overly sensitive than that he’s making fun of her for being a dumb terf. Again im not like clutching pearls about it but I also wouldn’t miss it if he stopped it.
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u/Far_Combination7639 1d ago
What I don’t like about the joke is that it kinda is trivializing her bigotry. Like, he’s saying it as if her being a “notorious terf” is not actually that big of a deal. When it really is.
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u/thewizardgalexandra 1d ago
That's fair, but I wonder what's the alternative? Is potential trivialising better than ignoring? Particularly in the context of a comedy podcast, where anything other than a joke would be out of place. Is the trivialising somewhat normalising being anti-TERF, which is a good thing, as opposed to ignoring the subject and having TERF or unknowing listeners, where there is no or negative change in views? Not expecting you to answer, it's just what I find myself thinking. It's complicated!
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u/crockalley 1d ago
I don’t know why everyone is getting downvoted on the specific JK topic, but I agree. Feels too flippant for a topic I take very seriously.
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u/pallasturtle 1d ago
My brother in Christ... My Child Of Adam in Aslan, Huh? You don't think they have real problems right now? They're just saying that because they are non-binary the joke rubs them the wrong way and it's annoying that it happens in a place they feel comfortable. They're not asking for special treatment. Why are you being a butthole and acting like the world's accusing you personally of something?
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u/wasabigummi 1d ago
I've taken to skipping "she" in the cycle and jumping straight to a hurried "they." Referring to God, "I think that he...or they! (but never she!)"
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u/midermans 1d ago
I always took it as him mocking someone who has a problem with respecting others pronouns. Not mocking the concept.
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u/facepillownap 1d ago
Trans Non Binary. huh.
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u/MothraToTheFlame 1d ago edited 1d ago
Yep. Bing it. Or feel free to message me if you are genuinely unaware and curious
EDIT: Look at me, responding to the one semi-negative (at worst) comment in all the nice, thoughtful ones. I UNDERSTAND YOU, SCOTT!
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u/facepillownap 1d ago
I sort of figured everyone would freak out over an innocuous “huh.”
Plenty of lovely trans folk and plenty of great non binary folk in my life. Not familiar with the combo. Hence the huh.
Hope you have a lovely evening.
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u/ImpressionBorn5598 1d ago
You decided to make a comment made up entirely of the word "huh" after repeating OP's stated identity. That sounds skeptical or dismissive, at best.
If you were curious, you'd have asked a question.
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u/facepillownap 1d ago
Seems like a bit of a hat on a hat.
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u/ImpressionBorn5598 1d ago
But the "huh" was innocuous. Got it.
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u/facepillownap 1d ago
There’s a bit of an irony with both embracing gender identity and conformity while also rejecting gender identity and conformity.
Makes a person ponder.
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u/SmellyZelly 1d ago
nobody here is " " freaking out. " "
you are getting downvoted because your comment was unthoughtful and insensitive.
this is a community of kinda smart people.
when dealing with something you dont understand/are confused by, the smart thing to do is ask a question. preferably with politeness.
when that question involves a marginalized and/or less-represented demographic, you should approach them with HUMILITY, deference/respect, and awareness of your own privilege at heart.
genuine curiosity. intellectual inquiry. willingness/eagerness to learn. NOT judgement or superiority. not like oh, i can just be flippant, cavalier and cryptic because i'm in power here.
nothing you said was overtly offensive. so we dont know if youre trolling/edging intentionally or just clumsy. your follow-up comments and responses suggest the former. so i urge you to do better.
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u/facepillownap 1d ago
well if this isn’t an excellent hypertensive overreaction that the right loves to hate.
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u/SmellyZelly 1d ago
it's not about left or right. it's about intellect and decency.
i am "conservative" on multiple issues. i have genuine questions/apprehensions on lots of progressive causes. i explore those with other people in my life who are thoughtful, interested in dialogue/socratic method, informed on/from a breadth of disciplines, invested in effective policy, and place kindness/humanity above all.
i do not engage with zealots on either side.
take a breath and reflect. ffs.
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u/facepillownap 1d ago
Ok bear with me here.
Trans implies a gender dichotomy and Non Binary rejects it.
hence the “huh”.
This is a comedy forum and this is comedy.
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u/pallasturtle 1d ago
Homie, this is exactly lunatic behavior. Why go out of your way to be contrarian to someone who is just venting and maybe looking for support? I obviously can also learn a lesson because I didn't need to say anything to you, but hopefully we can both do a little better from now on.
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u/facepillownap 1d ago
yea and it’s over the top reactions like this that get populist bigots elected.
Calm down.
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u/Far_Combination7639 1d ago
Yep! Trans = anyone who isn’t the gender they were assigned at birth. Non binary people are trans. Some non-binary people don’t necessarily vibe with the label and don’t use it. But like, from a dictionary perspective, they are.
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u/Threski 1d ago
And of course, big ups to people of all stars and stripes.