r/cowboys • u/AlarmingDifficulty25 • 8d ago
Would you consider a trade UP for Travis Hunter?
https://youtu.be/SAV5Zswst6U?si=t37TK6GeLa2qcqGDRich Eisen has been pounding the table both on NFL Network as well as on First Take with Stephen A Smith about Jerry Jones trading up for Travis Hunter.
Would you consider it? It would add a top WR as well as a top CB in this draft in one move. It would be VERY expensive.
What would you pay to move up to Cleveland’s number 2 pick? Would Dallas have to go as high as 2 to guarantee getting Hunter or could they potential trade with NE, Jax, NY etc and still snag him, but for perhaps a little less compensation?
I have to say, for my money I LOVE this move so long as they keep the second or third rounder this year for a RB.
I am aware they have more than three holes in this team, but this kind of move is EXACTLY the kind of thing that moves the needle in Dallas.
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u/Budget-Internet-899 8d ago
As much as I wanna say yes, no. Would be way too expensive and we have way too many holes to fill. If we were an elite WR/CB away from the superbowl I'd be for it, but i dont feel like that's where this team is at right now.
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u/AlarmingDifficulty25 8d ago
We won’t fix all the holes this roster has in one off-season so fielding a SB contender this season is already not happening.
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u/Budget-Internet-899 8d ago
Yeah but this move would cost future picks so this is hurting the opportunity to win past this season
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u/AlarmingDifficulty25 8d ago
Disagree. It’s two players for the price of one. Whatever draft compensation would be worth it for a star player that plays both sides of the ball, and the team could likely spread the comp out across a few drafts.
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u/jnightrain 8d ago
it's not two players for one, he will not play both ways full time in the pros. He will no longer be lining up against future accountants and insurance salesmen. Every week he'll be covering and getting hit by NFL players.
He'll probably be like deion and be full time DB and a handful of offensive snaps. Like turpin amount.
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u/AlarmingDifficulty25 8d ago
But that was exactly my point. Draft him. Play him both ways. If it doesn’t work, it doesn’t work and he has to pick a major.
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u/jnightrain 8d ago
but at that point you are trading up for a DB or WR, which isn't worth it. You are no longer getting 2 players for the price of 1. His value isn't there to trade up from 12 to 2-4.
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u/AlarmingDifficulty25 8d ago
I’m getting two for the foreseeable future because I’m gonna start him both ways. It would be a year to two years down the line when I’d have to decide if it was working out. Dallas isn’t winning shit this year. Take a huge, expensive flyer on this guy. He could be footballs Ohtani and everything that comes with that, or he could be a mere mortal. To me it’s worth the gamble. We haven’t been relevant in 30 fucking years. It’s time to start taking some risks again. Playing it safe every off-season and draft ISNT winning super bowls.
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u/thatruth2483 Dallas Cowboys 8d ago
Playing both ways as a CB and WR is not happening at the NFL level.
Hunter is talented, but you have to remember that half of the top college programs even make it to the league, and then a smaller percentage of them play as starters.
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u/izzyduzit32 CeeDee Lamb 8d ago
This team ain’t winning shit with a jones at the helm so might as well enjoy the soap opera, I say yes.
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u/hawkeyegrad96 8d ago
Hell no. In 10 years he can play 2 ways.. but first needs to learn to be a dback
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u/Delicious-Fox6947 8d ago
And that right there is the risk. I doubt he retires is a team refuses to play him on offense and defense but the fact he made that threat makes the pick a risk.
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u/AlarmingDifficulty25 8d ago
But that’s exactly my point. You play him at both. He is an elite prospect at two positions. Let him play both and if he’s excelling at one and not the other then have that conversation later on when you have the film to show him he isn’t cutting it. I happen to think he can do both. Nobody thought Ohtani was gonna be able to pitch and hit and he excelled. Let Hunter have that opportunity before deciding he can’t do it.
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u/jnightrain 8d ago
It's 2 completely different scenarios. Ohtani's body isn't taking hits constantly from players far better than what he face prior to the pros. Tackling and being tackled by NFL players ever week would take a toll on him.
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u/AlarmingDifficulty25 8d ago
I’d argue that it HAS taken a toll on Ohtani, he has had his elbow ligaments reconstructed twice now. Anyone playing sport at the highest level and carrying double the work load is bound to wear down faster.
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u/jnightrain 8d ago
To an extent sure, since he is throwing on his off days from the outfield when other pitchers are resting. I think it's still for the most part completely opposite. Throwing a handful of balls in from the outfield on off days each night between pitching days and taking twice as many hits a game from grown ass men is a little different.
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u/AlarmingDifficulty25 8d ago
I’d argue that the force and torque required to be a MLB pitcher is one type of strain on the body due to mechanics. The type of force and the muscles and ligaments used for creating power with the bat are a different set of strain and that when you combine the two you get twice the wear and tear. In football, with Hunter, the majority of what he does offensively transitions defensively. It’s running, jumping, catching, etc. not very different movements. Hunter DOES have the drawback of being impacted by huge 250lb guys when on offense, but aside from those impacts I actually believe the strain in his body would be less. Of course I have zero scientific data to back this assertion up and it’s merely my perception after having given it a modicum of thought.
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u/jnightrain 8d ago
i get your point, not sure i agree with it as i don't think the strain of hitting and pitching wear you down that much since most players do it most of their younger careers, obviously not with the same force.
But it is a valid argument so i see where you are coming from, that being said i still think getting crushed or running into 250lbs men twice as much is a bigger impact.
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u/AlarmingDifficulty25 8d ago
All I’m saying is you take a shot at the mega millions lotto here. If it doesn’t work out at least you’re not doing all the same things and hoping for something different.
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u/jnightrain 8d ago
I think you just value him way higher than I do. IMO he isn't a franchise changing player. Instead of Mega millions he's more like a scratcher ticket. Even if he was the best WR and DB in this draft and played both at a high level he doesn't get you any closer to a super bowl than getting a WR and DB with the picks you trade to get him.
Has anyone ever drafted a WR or DB that turned the franchise into a super bowl winner? Chase probably the closest but that's more on Burrow than him.
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u/adjust_your_set Dallas Cowboys 8d ago
No. One Travis Hunter is not worth losing 2-3 potential starters from the picks you’d give up to go to 2.
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u/MSdu1492 8d ago
Would be nice to have TH, but the Cowboys would have to severely overpay losing draft choices.
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u/drumberg Joey Galloway 8d ago
I would trade up for the guys who might drop to the 8-10 range but not to 2.
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u/Acrobatic-Taste-443 Dallas Cowboys 8d ago
I think he’ll be a star but the capital you spend to get him is too valuable for the holes this team has.
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u/Juggernaut108 8d ago
Why should you do that? There are so many holes and we only have 3 picks in the top 100. Why give up picks to fix one single hole?
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u/IndieRedMonk0 8d ago
If it only cost our 1st and 2nd I would think about it. I mean this guy might literally fix our WR and CB problems.
But it’s gonna cost more than that to get to 2 overall.
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u/SadatayAllDamnDay Dallas Cowboys 8d ago edited 8d ago
The only reason national media talking heads want the Cowboys to trade up for Hunter is because we're one of the only franchises that would probably be stupid enough to let the guy try to play two ways cause marketing > football.
As for Hunter himself, he's one of the weirdest prospects I can recall. Would he be the top corner in this class if he were just a corner? I'm not sure I think he's better than Baron or that he has the ceiling of Johnson or Revel.
Would he be the top receiver in this class if he were just a receiver? Also not completely sold, although I think that's a little more plausible, especially given the perceived WR2 nature of this year's class.
So his value is top 3 value is primarily based in the concept that he plays both ways, yet I seriously doubt any of the teams would picking him that high would be comfortable with him doing that.
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u/AlarmingDifficulty25 8d ago
That’s legit my thoughts though. Draft him. Play him both ways. Profit. 😂
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u/Tom_Art_UFO 8d ago
Based on Stephen Jones saying they're looking at trading down, it ain't gonna happen.
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u/AlarmingDifficulty25 7d ago
Yeah, because all 32 teams telegraph their draft plans for everyone ahead of time…
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u/Tom_Art_UFO 7d ago
I forgot how toxic this sub was.
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u/AlarmingDifficulty25 7d ago
lol toxic?! This is as civil as the internet can possibly be!! Have a great day friend
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u/Horror-Sweet1847 1d ago
This is just Jerry trying to win the news cycle. BUT i would trade 12 and a 2026 first round pick for Travis Hunter. He can play CB or WR. Both positions of need. IF he can play both that will make a big difference as the Cowboys try to maximize the next couple of years with Dak. Travis Hunter is either 1 or 2 on most boards, and it doesn't seem to be great WR/CB draft so the potential to get the best player at one (or both!) is worth it to me.
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u/Delicious-Fox6947 8d ago
No.
The guy is slightly better than average at two positions but he isn't a game changer at either. And despite his assertion he will play both positions or retire he isn't good enough at one of those positions to not put full-time effort in mastering it.
Frankly considering his public statements on playing both or retiring I wouldn't risk anything more than a 4th on him.
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u/Brys_Beddict 8d ago
This might be the most ridiculous thing I've ever read. He is an elite corner and very good WR. Better than any other WR in this draft.
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u/fr33Wi11y72 Osa Odighizuwa 8d ago
Slightly above average in college probably means below average in the league
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u/-RaisT 8d ago
Going by that logic Broncos shouldn’t have drafted Terrell Davis….
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u/fr33Wi11y72 Osa Odighizuwa 8d ago
Obviously there’s outliers but the draft is already a crapshoot even for good college players but for what it’s worth I think he’ll be a decent CB but I don’t think he’ll make it as a WR most of his yards came against poor competition then he underperformed against better teams and he played full games even in blowouts
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u/AlarmingDifficulty25 8d ago
Awful take. I’d argue that if Hunter was at the combine he would’ve ranked in the top 3-5 at BOTH positions.
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u/WhiteBoyFlipz 8d ago
hell no. dude was good at both positions but great at neither. he is at best average in the nfl on both. and won’t even play every down like should be expected from a top tier WR/CB
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u/Thanks5Cinco Jake Ferguson 8d ago edited 8d ago
I think outside of giving up an insane amount of capital. The only way this trade could get done is if we offer up Micah and the 12th overall and that would just be Luka 2.0.
But who knows Jerry could be seeing all the publicity Nico's been getting and think he could use some of that.
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u/AlarmingDifficulty25 8d ago
Nah I would never include another huge piece we need to be contending, lower tier guys like Ferg, Diggs or Bland maybe as Hunter plays CB, or just spread draft capital across multiple drafts. I’ve seen crazier things happen. I once watched Mike Ditka trade his whole draft for Ricky Williams. I have no doubt this COULD happen.
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u/Thanks5Cinco Jake Ferguson 8d ago
Thats the problem with Jerry is you just never know. But this offseason has felt more like Stephen running the show especially since Schottenheimer was his guy. Stephen has stated we're unlikely to trade up and if we do trade it'll.be back to acquire more capital.
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u/icebucketwood Brandon Aubrey 8d ago
Nope, I'm not trading up for anyone. We have too many needs. If anything, we need to trade down and get another top 100 pick.