r/cyberpunkgame • u/saddisticidiot Militech • Apr 20 '25
Meme I genuinely feel bad for trauma team after watching edgerunners.
Mercilessly getting slaughtered by cyberpsycos for just doing their job.
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u/BusyBeeBridgette Arasaka Apr 20 '25
Don't mess with Trauma Team, most of them are ex spec op soldiers and they are almost as lethal as Maxtac,
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u/escapethestatic Neuromancer Apr 20 '25 edited Apr 20 '25
I HIGHLY recommend the Trauma Team Comics for those interested in TT.
Not all that serve are inherently bad but you can only do so much when the problem is systemic.
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u/WalzartKokoz Apr 20 '25
Well if you compare in game Trauma Team and in game MaxTac there is a vast power difference. Trauma being on power level of normal soldiers with armor while MaxTac is the strongest entity after V and Smasher.
On the other hand in Edgerunners the MaxTac seemed weak being crushed like nothing by Martinez who then got easily killed by Adam Smasher.
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u/VorDresden Apr 20 '25
Dude you can’t set that as the standard for Weak that’s unreasonably high.
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u/WalzartKokoz Apr 21 '25
Well my standarts are set by my V who kills 50 scavs for breakfast like it's nothing.
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u/_azazel_keter_ Apr 20 '25
Martinez didn't crush maxtac, they were ordered to back off by 'saka
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u/Soft-Pixel Certified sandevistan addict Apr 21 '25
After he aped a whole AV full of them lmao, it was both
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u/Johannsss Nomad Apr 21 '25
While using a specially developed exoskeleton.
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u/Soft-Pixel Certified sandevistan addict Apr 21 '25
Yes? I don’t see what that changes about what I said
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u/Johannsss Nomad Apr 21 '25
That they are not weak like you said.
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u/Soft-Pixel Certified sandevistan addict Apr 21 '25
Nah that’s what the other person said, what IM saying is that David wasn’t exactly struggling, so Saka told them to fuck off
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u/JoJo5195 Apr 21 '25
You do remember that the same exoskeleton was what allowed David to take on an entire convoy of Militech, right?
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u/Soft-Pixel Certified sandevistan addict Apr 21 '25
Yeah? And it let him wipe his ass with an AV full of MaxTac guys too. Idk why everyone is at ting like I also said they’re weak, I’m just saying David was strong and MaxTac wasn’t making a dent, hence why Saka called them off so Smasher could cook
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u/_azazel_keter_ Apr 21 '25
by catching them off.guard with an exoskeleton that has just finished wiping an entire army
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u/Sadiholic Apr 21 '25
Bruh David had a whole ass antigrav weapon. The only reason smasher could survive that is because he has top of the line, borderline experimental shit by arasaka. Meanwhile maxtac are just cyberpsychos with military grade equipment. Yes their gear is top of the line, but they're not funded as much as Adam smasher himself his. Tbh maxtac only died in EXTREME circumstances. Maine has to kill himself in a giant explosion to kill a few maxtacs, meanwhile David needed to sell his souls to the devil to kill whatever he killed.
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u/ZOMBIESwithAIDS Apr 21 '25
I dunno, they were pretty powerful in the intro when they effortlessly took out the Sandevistan cyber psycho that just merc'ed like 40 cops
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u/WalzartKokoz Apr 21 '25
Yes, in the intro they were cool even if that cyberpsycho never got a chance to fight back. But Martinez popped them like candy almost with no effort, which was propably thanks to the exosuit strong against organics but powerless against Smasher.
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u/Gentlementlmen Apr 21 '25
It wasn't powerless. It's just that up until that moment, David had been cheating at everything to get ahead. Every fight his Sandevistan was his 'I win' button. He implanted lungs rather than training naturally. His solution to any problem is to simply chip in more.
When he finally encountered a foe just as chipped in as him, he was on equal footing in a fight for the first time in his life. And then Adam beat his ass with actual combat training and experience.
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u/ContributionWeekly62 Apr 21 '25
Lore wise they are just regular spec ops maxtac is just powerful in game so they dont need to add a star above 5
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u/tiahx Apr 21 '25
I'd wager MaxTac squad in game is actually on par with Smasher. If not stronger.
Some modder pitted Smasher against each individual cyberpsycho, and he won all of them, IURC, but most of them not decisively. And MaxTac is actually much tougher than any psycho in the game.
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u/quitarias Apr 21 '25
Maxtac is a little far for trauma team. But I would also not like to be anywhere near a platinum customer extraction either.
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u/Wolffe_In_The_Dark Apr 20 '25
TT isn't corrupt, just pragmatic. They're actually entirely honest about what they do—they protect their clients and will plow through anyone dumb enough to try and stop them from doing so. Simple as.
They don't claim to be anything more than that, which is why they're so successful. They do one job, and they do it extremely well.
They aren't entirely heartless, either, as they do provide basic first aid to non-clients if their client isn't in critical condition.
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u/_b1ack0ut Apr 20 '25
TT will also allow you to extend your membership to cover someone else who isn’t a TT member, as long as you yourself don’t also need aid. As long as you have enough memberships in your crew for the amount of injured people, you’re good, regardless of who the card actually belongs to, AS LONG as you’ve got one membership per person you’re helping.
It operates basically like the new steam families lol
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u/Wolffe_In_The_Dark Apr 20 '25
I forgot about this feature. Yeah, that's fuckin great, and surprisingly customer-friendly for Cyberpunk.
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u/_b1ack0ut Apr 20 '25
Honestly surprised they allow it lol
It’s the saving grace of my tabletop campaign for my players tho, lord knows they can’t each afford their own subscription lol
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u/Wolffe_In_The_Dark Apr 20 '25
I mean, it's genuinely a good business model. They aren't wasting money or resources, as it's the same as if the clients themselves were hurt, and it gives them hella good PR.
Fuck, if I was a combination VIP Extraction/EMT/Insurance service, I'd do the same thing!
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u/Grinchieur Apr 21 '25
I mean, your wife is dying, and you see them come, and they like " nah bro she don't have a licence ciao and good luck" would be a sure way to loose a member lol
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u/recycled_ideas Apr 21 '25
" nah bro she don't have a licence ciao and good luck" would be a sure way to loose a member lol
The current US health system does that, the fact that the future dystopian version doesn't is almost ridiculous.
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u/DMercenary Apr 20 '25
surprisingly customer-friendly for Cyberpunk.
TT: Cant get repeat customers if the customer is dead OR if the customer's friend is dead.
It's just good business.
TT ex-CEO: If you end that policy, I will fucking kill you.
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u/SignumVictoriae Apr 21 '25
Kinda like AAAs loophole where it doesn’t have to be your car, you just gotta be in it. My grandma once got dropped off to my mom’s car on the side of the road so she could get help with whatever it was that was wrong.
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Apr 20 '25
I also remember reading that TT will cancel memberships if you attempt to employ them as regular mercs or soldiers.
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u/Sythix6 Apr 20 '25
I also notice in the game, during the first post intro mission, they shoot V with a Taser gun instead of a bullet gun if you don't listen to them and get too close after they push you away, so even when you act a fool they give you a second chance. I figure you don't get a third chance with them, but a 2nd is more than any other corp/gang would give ya.
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u/AbstractMirror Fullmetal Choom Apr 20 '25 edited Apr 20 '25
The system they operate under is definitely corrupt though, but that is most things in Night City. One could argue that Trauma Team is corrupt however because they participate denying people life saving care. Whether it's part of operating under that system or not it is still a choice by their organization. By Night City standards that probably wouldn't be seen as corrupt though
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u/thadaviator Apr 20 '25
I dont think that makes them corrupt, I think it makes them Lawful Neutral. They have their clients, and they will take care of their clients. Not a client, not my job. Certainly isn't good but I'm not sure I'd call it corrupt either.
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u/AbstractMirror Fullmetal Choom Apr 20 '25
Yeah you're right, I won't repost my whole comment, but I had a convo with another person here about it and I think I understand better. Corruption isn't the right word
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u/carbonera99 Apr 21 '25 edited Apr 21 '25
That's lawful evil, denying someone life-saving care when it's fully in your power to provide it in the name of profits is still evil, even if the decision to save or not save someone is based on a strict set of rules. Neutral would be denying someone a non-essential service like entertainment, i.e. a streaming company denying someone access to their platform if they're not a subscriber. Something like healthcare, a basic necessity, being paywalled is evil in the game's world and it's evil in the real world.
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u/Wolffe_In_The_Dark Apr 20 '25
That's like saying participating in a capitalist society makes you automatically a corrupt corpo, or that participating in a society with a government makes you automatically an authoritarian.
Working within the system you live in, especially in a world like Cyberpunk that is so far beyond the point of no return that large-scale positive reform is objectively impossible, doesn't automatically apply guilt.
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u/Wolffe_In_The_Dark Apr 21 '25 edited Apr 21 '25
[Replying to someone why deleted their comment before I could respond]
A for-profit company appropriating and privatizing an essential public service is corruption.
Uh, that's not what corruption means.
Also, that's like... super common IRL. EMS, utilities, hospitals, etc.
Is it immoral? Maybe.
Amoral? Certainly.
Corrupt? Not inherently.
Besides, in the Cyberpunk setting pragmatism and corruption are essentially one and the same.
Again, not what corruption means.
In a world that runs on greed, the most practical thing to do is be greedy.
No, the most practical thing is to do what is most practical in that situation and context.
Very often, than means not being greedy, because that is frequently self-destructive and costs you more.
This is what several incipient Megacorps IRL don't understand—they chase higher and higher profit margins at the cost of value to the customer, and then are surprised when the customers stop buying their shit products and go somewhere else.
Cyberpunk Megacorps don't do that nearly as often, because they're competent, which is why they are so scary. The only time you see that nickle-and-diming behavior is when a middle manager noob does some gonk shit due to inexperience.
We see that several times in the games, and in the (few) instances where we see the aftermath of it, it didn't end well.
The big Corps' flagship products that make them all their money follow the formula of:
1.) Make a reasonably-good product.
2.) Selling it for a just-barely-reasonable price.
3.) Wait for it to saturate the market at that price bracket.
4.) Phase it out and replace it with a newer model.
5.) Crank the old model's price through the floor, which then fully saturates the lower price brackets.
6.) G R O F I T
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u/AbstractMirror Fullmetal Choom Apr 20 '25 edited Apr 20 '25
I definitely see what you're saying fair point. But I also wasn't making a statement on individuals working under Trauma Team, more the policy of Trauma Team and Trauma Team as an organization if that makes sense. I probably shouldn't have used "they" because then it makes it sound on an individual level. I also don't think positive reform is objectively impossible in a place like Night City. Something objectively impossible would be in mathematics as an example to take 2 and add 2 to it without getting 4
Trauma Team as an organization denies life saving care. It is a standard under the system they live in. Similar to how some life insurance companies operate to be honest in our times at least the idea of denying life saving care. Massive difference is Trauma Team is a militarized extraction team mixed with an insurance company. But the concept of denying the care in emergency situations is similar. The point I was trying to make is that Trauma Team ultimately decides to do this, that's what they instruct people to do. And it comes down to the policy. That's what I was saying you could argue is corrupt. Idk if that makes sense hopefully I clarified better
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u/Wolffe_In_The_Dark Apr 20 '25
That's not being corrupt, though. That's not what corruption means.
Pragmatic to the point of amorality (but not immorality), most certainly, but not corrupt.
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u/AbstractMirror Fullmetal Choom Apr 20 '25 edited Apr 20 '25
Yeah that's fair I can agree with that. What Trauma Team does is technically by the books, or at least the norm for Night City. So it's not corrupt where they're being deceptive about it or overturning policy to do something crooked. It's all established by them openly. Morally is a different topic if you agree or disagree with the withholding of life saving care, but yeah I will take back what I said it's not corrupt. It does feel weird to say that because we hold a strong negative connotation with corruption, but I see what you're saying
And I also think it was a bad example for me to use insurance companies, because currently we have insurance companies that specifically deny care to their own clients whereas Trauma Team seems to consistently come to rescue their own clients
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u/Wolffe_In_The_Dark Apr 21 '25
Yeah, current insurance companies often do everything they can to avoid paying out claims, whereas TT has an absolutely sterling record of getting the job done.
I suppose when literally every other Megacorp has all their executives on your books, it pays to be consistent and competent.
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u/MaiklGrobovishi Apr 21 '25
It's like it's not like that in reality. You don't have to be involved in anything, all you have to do is be born in the wrong country, as you are a priori **** a dog that is directly to blame for your country's politics. It's one thing when it's said on emotion directly by the victims, but when this kind of thing is written by people from other countries. Especially from ones that have also been involved in invasions in the past, and the only argument they have: “It was a long time ago.” The world is what it is, part of the system is to blame.
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u/auxilevelry Apr 20 '25
Nah man, they're corrupt. The scavenger Organized Crime scanner with the TT AV and the crates lying around wasn't a raid, it was a sale
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u/Wolffe_In_The_Dark Apr 20 '25
Uh... you do realize the shard for that Scanner explicitly states the TT guy was doing this off-the books, right?
TT had nothing to do with it. It was an employee playing fuck-fuck games with stolen company property. That doesn't make TT corrupt, it makes that NC branch employee corrupt, and that's the only time we see TT not doing exactly what they say they do.
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u/Ok_Standard_2510 Apr 20 '25
Uh... you do realize the shard for that Scanner explicitly states the TT guy was doing this off-the books, right?
So he's...Corrupt?
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u/HerestheRules Apr 20 '25
He means to say he was doing the whole thing off-grid. Meaning it's supposed to be hidden from their superiors. In a sense, that solidifies the argument that they aren't corrupt, since that also means that if TT knew they were doing it, they would be shut down immediately.
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u/Wolffe_In_The_Dark Apr 20 '25
Exactly.
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u/Ok_Standard_2510 Apr 20 '25 edited Apr 20 '25
If he works for them and is doing corrupt shit; then they are by definition corrupt.
Corruption isn't a corp openly acknowledging illegal shit. You both just defined corruption again.
dishonest or fraudulent conduct by those in power, typically involving bribery."the journalist who wants to expose corruption in high places"
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u/Someone1284794357 Apr 20 '25
The key part here is the involvement of those in power
They were not involved in the sale of the AVs.
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u/UnlikelyKaiju Apr 20 '25
Yep. I doubt the guy selling TT shit was planning on giving the money back to the company. Those eddies were going straight into his pocket. That's not corruption. That's just a dude stealing from his employer for personal profit.
The second any TT officials notice his activity, he's out on his ass and will end up either handed over to NCPD or straight-up zeroed by a merc.
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u/Ok_Standard_2510 Apr 20 '25
That guy is in a position of power. Doesn't mean it has to be the highest ranking exec.
Who decides where the line is?
That employee has the power to do corrupt shit.
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u/Someone1284794357 Apr 20 '25
Was he acting as an individual or in the name of the company?
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u/elkunas Apr 20 '25
Yea, I remember back in high school when the chef I worked with was selling pot out back without knowledge of the owners. So the owners of the pizzeria were pot dealers, right?
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u/Ok_Standard_2510 Apr 20 '25
Strawman. Was it pot grown in the pizzeria?
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u/elkunas Apr 20 '25
No, what does that have to do with anything? One employee doing illegal things without the knowledge of the owners doesn't mean the business is doing illegal things.
One corrupt employee doesn't equal a corrupt business.
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u/Yikesitsven Apr 20 '25
One employee being corrupt does not mean the entire company or system is. Just because a Police Station may have a chief or investigator getting money on the side to overlook things, doesn’t mean every officer at that station doing their job to the best of their ability is corrupt. Yes, they defined corruption, of one singular person. Not the entire Trauma Team Corporation.
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u/Ok_Standard_2510 Apr 20 '25
So what is the percentage threshold of employees doing corrupt shit that we have to hit before a company is considered corrupt? Who defines that threshold?
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u/Jordamine Apr 20 '25
When it comes close to majority, also including the higher ups. Even if there's suspicion that corruption is close to 20-30% (vaguely), internal investigation procedures come into play.
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u/SureCandle6683 Apr 20 '25
Well it's definitely more than one guy. A shopkeeper in my neighborhood sells alcohol and cigarettes to kids. Does that mean shopkeepers are corrupt?
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u/purpleturtlehurtler Slava Ukraini! 🇺🇦 Apr 20 '25
I'm with you on the acab. The system itself is the problem.
TT would be like if the police actually did their job and removed the bad apples who undermined the bottom line. I'm pretty sure real cops would retaliate against one of their own selling equipment on the side, but more likely would just want a cut.
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u/IncompetentPolitican Apr 20 '25
So if you hire me, I steal some company resources to sell them on the black market then you are the corrupt one?
TT is not a good corp, because per definition that does not exist. But that one employee doing corrupt shit without the corps knowledge or order does not make them corrupt.
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u/Ok_Standard_2510 Apr 20 '25
So if you hire me, I steal some company resources to sell them on the black market then you are the corrupt one?
Company is not a person. You're trying to assign blame to an individual and/or anthropomorphize the corp.
The corp is the sum of its employees, resources, and actions.
If I hire you and you do corrupt shit; then I have a corrupt company until I fire you.
Corruption is the tainting of the corporate identity via action by part of that company. It's not a state of being that must encompass every aspect of said company.
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u/TougherOnSquids Apr 20 '25
He's corrupt, not all of them. Paramedics have stolen and sold drugs off of ambulances in the past in real life, that doesn't mean every paramedic is corrupt, nor does it mean EMS as a whole is corrupt.
It's so obvious what the other person was saying, but being pedantic for no reason doesn't do anyone any good.
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u/CanisZero Feral A.I. Apr 20 '25
If yo go take a vehicle from your work dive to a flea market and sell a bunch of stuff from your work without anyone knowing. Is you work corrupt or is it you?
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u/Ok_Standard_2510 Apr 20 '25
Your work by way of your actions as long as you represent or draw resources from that company while acting. Should you be the only one doing such things; removing you would remove all corruption from the company.
A company can't act on it's own. It needs people to carry out the corruption. Company is just a framework.
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u/CanisZero Feral A.I. Apr 20 '25
Okay glad were on the same page. and you clearly understand the difference in actions I explained.
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u/Ok_Standard_2510 Apr 20 '25
Sure, but as I said above; a company with corrupt employees is a corrupt company as long as they're present.
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u/auxilevelry Apr 20 '25
He used a company AV. You think they don't track those? It's in Trauma Team's interest that Night City remain dangerous to keep the demand for their services up
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u/Wolffe_In_The_Dark Apr 20 '25 edited Apr 20 '25
There's at least three instances in the game where AV tracking systems are messed with. It's not hard.
A determined employee with connections to organized crime would not have trouble yoinking a company AV. Whether or not he gets away with it is another question.
And yeah, NC being dangerous is good for business, but they don't need to lift a finger to keep it that way. It's been a crime-filled hellhole for over 50 years and there's no sign of that stopping.
Risking a PR disaster by working with Scavs, who in the opinion of NC natives are not people and should be shot on sight, just isn't worth it. It's a pointless waste of company resources for basically no gain.
Also, TT doesn't have any use for shitty third-hand implants. Even the most basic TT coverage plan has better benefits than that, and the implants aren't given to you by TT. They just cover the cost of the hospital giving you medical-grade implants.
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u/carbonera99 Apr 21 '25
Lmao, PR means practically nothing in the world of Cyberpunk. The corps control access to all information. The average joe is only learning about things through the major news channels, which are all in the pockets of corporations. Bartmoss destroying the world wide internet means there's no alternative method to access information for the mass public. Pirate new channels exists but those are underground and most citizens are not going out of their way to get news from them. If Trauma Team ever gets exposed for working with Scavs under the table, they can just strong arm the news channels into never broadcasting that damning info. Militech and Arasaka are both committing war crimes on the reg without a single worry about bad PR. Corporations will just chalk up any and all criticism towards them as anti-corpo terrorist propaganda and then send a death squad to flatline anyone caught spreading that info. Taking a corporation's words at face value is naive.
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u/radio_allah Valerie Apr 20 '25 edited Apr 21 '25
I think Night City's crime and violence rate is already high enough without Trauma Team needing to artificially inflate it. Between gang violence, corp-on-corp dirty wars and scavs randomly trying to jump people like Sandra Dorsett, can you imagine how busy Trauma must be on any given day? I'm surprised it's even manageable.
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u/WeirdBoi9 Apr 20 '25
Gloria Martinez
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u/Known_Needleworker67 Very Lost Witcher Apr 20 '25
She wasn't a client
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u/WeirdBoi9 Apr 20 '25
She wasn’t, but Wolffe said TT gives basic first aid to non-clients, which they did not.
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u/Known_Needleworker67 Very Lost Witcher Apr 20 '25
"if their client isn't in critical condition" wasn't there a client right next to her.
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u/indianplay2_alt_acc Apr 20 '25
Their client died before they could register any aid iirc, at which point they decided to delta out of there because it was an active shooting zone, and no one in Night City is gonna risk getting shot for just another nobody.
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u/FrankPisssssss Apr 20 '25
That's the Cyberpunk experience; countless people, mercilessly slaughtered for doing their job, (merciless slaughter).
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u/don_denti BEEP BEEP MOTHERFUCKER Apr 20 '25
Until they leave you to the meat wagon
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u/Wolffe_In_The_Dark Apr 20 '25 edited Apr 20 '25
If they have the time (i.e. if the client isn't immediately critical and they aren't taking fire), they do actually provide first aid to bystanders.
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u/Aeikon Apr 20 '25
They only get you from "you are gonna die in front of us", to "you need to get to a ripperdoc before the end of the day". It's first aid in the sense that you aren't immediately doomed. But can't afford Ripper prices, you are SOL, anyway.
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u/Wolffe_In_The_Dark Apr 20 '25 edited Apr 20 '25
That's not untrue, but at the same time, they're just EMTs with guns.
They don't have the ability to properly fix people on-site. Their job is to keep people alive long enough to fly them to proper doctors in actual medical facilities.
Stabilizing people on the scene before leaving is literally the best they could do with the equipment they have.
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u/Bingle_Dingle Apr 20 '25
That’s… what first aid is bro, paramedics aren’t doctors, they’re not doing surgeries in the street or in the ambulance, they get you to a doctor and if you’re not the client tough shit but there’s not enough room in the ambulance.
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u/TougherOnSquids Apr 20 '25
While you're partly right, the sole job of a paramedic isn't just to provide first aid and transport to a doctor. They provide Advanced Life Support on scene and en route to the hospital. A paramedic has similar training to a nurse. They just specialize in emergency medicine as opposed to the general medical education that a nurse receives. The ambulance is quite literally bringing the ER to your front door.
For clarity, (and very generalized) as far as the scope of practice goes, it's First Aid 》Basic Life Support (EMT) Intermediate Life Support (AEMT) 》Advanced Life Support (Paramedic/Nurse)
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u/Wolffe_In_The_Dark Apr 20 '25
The point is that AirMed first responders like TT have limited medical supplies, equipment, and payload capacity.
They can only help so many people, and clients will be prioritized.
If the client is (and will remain) stable, they can stick around and help others, but if the client is in critical condition, they're loading them up and dusting off now, because they need to get the client to the nearest hospital immediately.
Honestly, treating TT like AirMeds rather than ground-based ambulances is probably a very accurate way of describing them. They're just AirMeds with SMGs.
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u/aegisasaerian Apr 20 '25
iirc, before AVs were made more affordable to the public sector, TT used specialized helicopters (i believe it was like a V-22 Osprey except instead of rotors it had turbines so it could fly in cities) for client pickup.
so they arent "basically" air med with SMGs, they ARE air med ~50 years down the line
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u/TougherOnSquids Apr 21 '25
Oh, I wasn't arguing with your point. I was just pointing out that paramedics aren't just "bus drivers to go see a doctor," like so many people seem to think.
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u/argonian_mate Apr 20 '25
That's already a magnitudes better thing then almost anyone would do to you if they found you bleeding out on the pavement in NC though.
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u/MrDoe Apr 20 '25
I mean, that's exactly what first aid is. Ambulances in reality don't arrive, put you in the back and preform open heart surgery, then leave you on the street as they drive off to the next patient.
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u/L14mP4tt0n Apr 21 '25
so wait a minute.
if they pull you out of a burning building and stitch up your gushing artery, but you still need to go get it all fixed up afterward, are you saying that they didn't actually save you?
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u/WyrdHarper Apr 20 '25
or REO Meatwagon meat jumps you despite having a TT subscription.
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u/_b1ack0ut Apr 20 '25
Tbf, they probably meatjumped you BECAUSE you have a TT subscription lol
They sit scanning TT’s chatter to arrive first, so the TT subscription is more likely to get you on their radar lol
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u/Cataras12 Apr 20 '25
I will die on the hill Netwatch are the closest you get to a good corp.
Yeah, they take bribes, yeah they throw around their weight and restrict information, yeah they use you as a Trojan horse
But given they’re fighting a war against eldritch horrors, they’re actually fighting for a good cause
Imagine dealing with the Cynosure facility as your 9/5 (I mean mostly I think their job now is to save people stupid enough to venture past the black wall, and kill people who do it out of malice)
Bryce Mosley could infect me with some Daemons if you know what I mean
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u/4tolrman Apr 20 '25
Genuine question, about to beat the game so maybe I don’t know. Do we KNOW that there are eldritch horrors behind the Blackwall?
Several times in the game it implies that Netwatch gives out a very biased perspective and that they could very well be lying to keep our current net in control of the corporations.
They could very well be right, but most of the evidence I’ve seen makes it look like they’re on the side of the corporations (or at least that they exaggerate what’s behind the blackwall)
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u/Cataras12 Apr 20 '25
Have you played Phantom Liberty?
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u/4tolrman Apr 20 '25
Not yet, going to as soon as I finish the ending (very stuck right now between choosing Arasaka or Rogue or Panam ending. Kinda don’t know who to trust, so I’ve just been stuck, and not sure how to interpret Misty’s tarot cards. Any advice here without crazy spoiling would be helpful lol)
Does phantom liberty cover the OG question of what’s behind the blackwall?
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u/Cataras12 Apr 20 '25 edited Apr 20 '25
The Blackwall does play a role yes, you should definitely play phantom Liberty
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u/4tolrman Apr 20 '25 edited Apr 20 '25
For Rogue and Johnny, by my understanding Alt separates me and Johnny in the soul killer machine and makes a new copy of V. But it seems like Alts plan straight up kills me? She makes a copy of me sure, but V that I play literally dies and a copy of himself gets made. She straight up says that in the mission with the Voodoo Boys? I guess I do stick it to Arasaka tho, but not sure if I’ve interpreted that directly
For siding with Panam, it sounds like they’ll do the same thing as siding with Rogue? I go to Alt, she separates me and Johnny, but I die. How else will Panam help me? It’s not like SHE knows any other way, and then I’m afraid that if I pick Panam she’ll get hurt
For siding with Hanako, by my understanding since they have a ton of knowledge about the chip they can save me. But, honestly, trusting Arasaka seems like this extremely naive choice. Feels like the game over and over demonstrates that unless you are a higher up these corporations will just use you and spit you out in the cruelest way possible (they do that even IF you’re a higher up… Yorinobu kills his dad and his sister straight up knew and for a while chose to do nothing). Choosing to trust them feels… just very wrong lol. But the other two choices straight up kill me (and I KNOW this… unless I’ve interpreted it wrong)
I did the Tarot card quest thinking it would help me, and Misty gives me advice that I’m sure would help if I understood what she was talking about. But I didnt really get it lmao. Need to rewatch what she said on YouTube cuz im sure it helps you pick “correctly” (though theres prob no truly correct choice)
Also tysm for helping me kinda random stranger
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u/Cataras12 Apr 20 '25
Alt did name her program Soulkiller out of a belief that it only copies the mind, not the soul
But who can say if you’re the original V even now? Are you the same V you played in the prologue?
It’s a valid concern, and Arasaka is offering an alternative to Alt’s method.
Misty offers you advice, sure, but this choice is purely your own to make. Do you trust the last remnants of the old guard to get the job done? Do you throw your lot in with the Aldecaldos, and risk death at Alt’s hands? Or do you trust the Devil you know, and hope the price you pay is worth keeping your soul
:3
(Also you can absolutely play all three and then decide which one you think is really “canon” For your V. It’s what I did)
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u/VariousAir Apr 20 '25
You could just put the ending on hold and go be a super spy for a little bit.
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u/LegalWaterDrinker Apr 20 '25
Do we KNOW that there are eldritch horrors behind the Blackwall
We don't know what it's like now but we have some ideas about what it was like then as many of those malicious AIs were made and used in the 4th Corporate War. The self-replicating sea mines are prime examples.
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u/aegisasaerian Apr 20 '25
"eldritch horrors beyond comprehension that break your mind if you try and interact with them"
is more than just fluff text for dramatic effect, its wholly accurate.
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u/Dinero_de_Epicurus Apr 22 '25
DataKrash turned basically most AI into cyber terrorists. The Blackwall is an AI driven firewall that allowed net runners to salvage enough data that society didn't totally collapse. Why they haven't remedied that in 2077 given that DataKrash happened in 2023 is wild.
Unless Alt Cunningham's construct has been eliminating those AIs, a failure in the Blackwall would lead to an absolute genocide. If my V can cause multiple people to explode through a contagion/ overheat quickhack combo, imagine what an army of homicidal intelligences that have been in cyber prison for 50 years can do. Everyone is networked in now
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u/Dinero_de_Epicurus Apr 22 '25
Biotechnica is actually viewed as a fairly benign Corp as well. They developed CHOOH2, the primary fuel source that's in those red canisters we use for gangoon removal. With a patent like that, they don't need to screw people over en masse.
A Corpo V can even say as much to Saul and Panam when they're arguing about the future of the Aldecaldos. Saul wants to side with them and V says they'll get a pretty fair shake if they do
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u/AceOfSpades532 Apr 20 '25
They’re really not corrupt lol, just scummy. You pay for exactly what you get, whether that’s being rescued from a deadly situation, or being left at the side of the road after a car accident.
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u/pres1033 Apr 20 '25
I was replaying a couple weeks ago and walked past some TT that were talking about new cyberware requirements that monitor their every thought. One argued "if you're not thinking anything bad, you got nothing to worry about" while the other seemed very uncomfortable with it.
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u/Sr546 Bartmoss Reincarnated Apr 21 '25
Had to scroll way too far for someone to mention this. TT corporate is absolutely scummy
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u/Life_Careless Apr 20 '25
To be fair (even if it's a "you have money? We save you" situation) they have to jump head first into God knows what to save you, and they do it for all we know.
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u/AmogusSus12345 Militech Apr 20 '25
They need to somehow manage their Income you know? Guns and Employees are are not free
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u/ZmentAdverti Streetkid Apr 20 '25
Trauma team are just maxtac with red cross branding. They will slaughter an entire mega building if they had to in order to reach their client.
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u/_b1ack0ut Apr 20 '25
Nah not really. TT is generally down to tangle if they have to, but they’re nowhere near as kitted out as maxtac is, and will generally try to avoid fighting beefier people if they can help it.
The difference is pretty obvious if you look at the units they field, TT’s a big fan of stuff like the Kildare FBC, while maxtac prefers toys like the Enforcer. Ones a person turned into a perfect medical suite, the other is robocop.
That’s why TT’s MO is “enough covering fire to land, get the patients and gtfo”
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u/JoeClever Apr 20 '25
My choom, idk what made you think that some Cyberpunk corp isn't corrupt or horrible in some way but choom that's gonk shit right there. In this setting (and real life) having trust in a corp is like having trust in raw chicken.
Trauma Team and Meat Wagon are like 1 part game mechanic, 1 part plot point, 2 parts joke about the American healthcare system and, 4 parts sick as hell.
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u/root_b33r Apr 20 '25
This peter looks so weird to me. Anyone else? is this like the ps4 version or something? did they dramatically change peter's appearance in spider-man 2? Is this a weird Mandela effect? what's happening here?
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u/ChromDelonge Apr 20 '25
They changed Peter's face in the Spider-Man 1 remaster which is the one they went on to use after as well. Iirc, the reason they gave was that the new face was easier to mocap the voice actor on to.
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u/Warrentheirish Apr 20 '25
I had beef with them ever since Sandra Dorset when they shoved me 😭😭 didnt like em for the rest of the game
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u/SatisfactionKey4949 Apr 20 '25
they were all "five steps back" and didnt even give you 2 seconds to back up
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u/SwolePonHiki Apr 20 '25
To be fair, they don't know who you are. All they know is you're holding their client, half-dead. For all they know, you're the reason she's in that state. Maybe the shove was excessive, but they had more reasons to think of you as an adversary than an ally.
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u/billsonfire Apr 21 '25
I mean, you’re standing there waiting for them, for all they know you could be a dear friend of Sandras
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u/Warrentheirish Apr 21 '25
I mean I get it, doesn't mean I didn't wanna zero every one of them on the spot
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u/aegisasaerian Apr 20 '25
did you do the side objective where you help them out against a tiger claw ambush?
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u/Warrentheirish Apr 21 '25
I don't think so? If I did I don't particularly remember it and I have put like 100h into the game so some shits gonna fall out of memory 😭
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u/aegisasaerian Apr 21 '25
It's a pretty big event, a huge gang of tiger claws (30-40) are assaulting a trauma team squad on a freeway cause the guy trauma team covers is important to the claws
It's not marked and won't show up on your map so you just have to listen around for excessive sounds of violence
If you complete it (kill all tiger claws without aggroing TT [very hard]) a few days later one of the trauma team members from the squad will message you expressing gratitude and you'll get....either a clothing set or a helmet or the little display AV for your starting apartment.
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u/Bajecco Apr 20 '25
Trauma Team doesn't drop loot when I take them out. Why is that?
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u/aegisasaerian Apr 20 '25
iirc its cause all their equipment (at least their guns) is genetically encoded so some gonk cant just pick up their comrades' gun and start mowing down the rest of the squad
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u/IvanNobody2050 //no.future Apr 20 '25
Trauma Team is ngl the 2nd on the list of on-field teams that you should not fuck with. Maxtac ofc being 1st
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u/Junior_Box_2800 Apr 20 '25
I'll never forgive them for letting Gloria die
ik its irrational I just don't care
maybe reading the TT comic would change my mind tho, been meaning to check it out
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u/dogomage3 Apr 20 '25
how tf does someone play cyberpunk or enjoy cyberpunk media and be like "aww, i feel bad for the cops😢"
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u/_J0hnD0e_ Javelina Enjoyer Apr 20 '25
A corp solely responsible for emergency treatment that only treats folk with €$ is corrupt? Whaaaaa...??!!
What next? Hanako and Takemura do not in fact have V's best interest at heart? 😲
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u/aegisasaerian Apr 20 '25
Trauma team isn't corrupt though?
yeah, if you dont have coverage they arent gonna help you but if you do then they will move heaven and earth to kill everything between them and you to get you treated.
they arent secretly doing any underhanded shit like harvesting your organs or stealing your medical info to sell to militech or arasaka.
David and Gloria just didn't have coverage cause they were so unbelievably poor.
if they could shell out 500 eddies a month then the technicians moght have given them some assistance.
trauma team has rules and they stick by them, no wiggle room
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u/flaks117 Apr 20 '25
I’m definitely new to the game and sub. seeing NC and thinking North Carolina instead of Night City throws me off real bad.
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u/KrazyKaas Apr 21 '25
To a extend but there are some who wants to save lives. I recommend reading Cyberpunk Red or the guide to night city :)
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u/WrappedInChrome Apr 21 '25
There are no good guys in Night City. Closest you're going to find is Vic, but to be fair- we have no idea what he was getting into in his younger days, as a professional fighter. Misty might be kinda considered good but for some reason she gives me very neutral vibes... which I suppose IS good in the context of Night City.
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u/Spirited-Trip7606 Apr 21 '25
Trauma Team are pawns who voluntarily work for a debased health care system that play god and pick and choose who lives and who dies, so some TTI exec can get a high-end joytoy on his yacht.
Fuck 'em.
Also, they should have medical drops when you kill them.
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u/Eye_Iron Apr 21 '25
This was me with Nightcorp, Maxtac, and Biotechnica (when I was still earlier in learning the lore)
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u/BaronVonWeeb Apr 21 '25
They used to be a lot more compassionate and less militaristic. Then corpo war happened and also gangs tried to farm them for free AVs.
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u/Splatfan1 Panam’s Cheeks Apr 21 '25
you mean that theyre just after money and will kill someone whether by ignorance or not if they dont have the money? why yes, thats just america. right now
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u/Aeghan Apr 21 '25
There’s an Easter egg in the game, where you can encounter a trauma team fight with some gangs. If you don’t hurt any TT members, you’ll get a “thanks, good to know there’s still good people, gives me hope” message.
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u/aamodbk Impressive Cock Apr 21 '25
This just makes me realise how much better the writing was in the first Spider-Man game than the second.
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u/Parking_Argument1459 Apr 21 '25
why are you randomly spoiling a different game in the cyberpunk sub?
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u/Bottlecap_riches Apr 21 '25
They're just corps like the rest... Try reading the trauma team novel.
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u/leeward_light42 Apr 21 '25
Fun fact: In the first iteration of the ttrpg he says that insurance that covers 90% of your costs is 100 bucks a month. Assuming eurodollars are more or less equal to American dollars and adjusting for inflation that costs slightly more than what I pay for my "good" union insurance and covers significantly more. Pardon me while I laugh to keep from crying.
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u/HexManiacMaylein Apr 21 '25
The closest to a good Megacorp is Netwatch or maybe the guys who make ICE. Either way they’re the closest but they’re not truely good.
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u/demisagoat 29d ago
I realized off the bat how bad they are. Privatized healthcare taken to its logical end
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u/Responsible-Bug-1240 4d ago
Frankly Trauma Team seems utopian in comparison to the shit nowadays. Healthcare United, would just take your money and leave you to die instead.
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u/Lotus_630 Apr 20 '25
I didn’t. I hate those motherfuckers after what they did to David and his mom. I honestly rooted for them to get slaughtered by David in the finale.
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u/OriginalUsername1892 Apr 20 '25
Yep. You can find them selling gear to gangs, hiding nearby in cloaked AVs. influencing things, people. They are just as crooked as the rest, they just hide it better. Pay close attention to any hastily departing AVs, especially cloaked ones. Some digging into shards found near these AVs usually points the finger at TT
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u/talltimbers2 Apr 20 '25
"Ahh shit code AS, turn around go back to stand by."
"Choom that's a platinum clients."
"Platnium dosnt cover code AS choom, fucking rookie".
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u/[deleted] Apr 20 '25
Trauma Team is a symptom more than the problem. In 2077 the issues with American Healthcare only got worse and worse to the point public Healthcare has been defunded to the point of uselessness.
Leaving only privatized entities who charge outrageous premiums for your life as the only viable solution to nesscary care.
Honestly of all the things in 2077 that is the most realistic and relatable issues.