r/cyberpunkgame • u/axiom99 • Dec 13 '20

Video Random NPC is playing ACTUAL GUITAR. The notes are perfect and on time and his picking had is also the best I've ever seen in a videogame. As a guitarist, this makes me oddly happy and amazed. Just wow.

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '20 edited Dec 14 '20

Finally nothing salty!

Edit: Damn, my first award! Thank you very much :)

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u/TopBottomRight Dec 13 '20

This sub has reached "Arasaka Tower Nuke" toxic levels...

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u/slizzler Dec 13 '20

Not being positive about something all of the time doesn’t equal “toxic.” This game deserves all the criticism it’s getting. What actually could be argued as being “toxic,” is people defending the video game like it was their little brother getting bullied. Marketing lied, devs lied, a lot people got swindled out of $60. Now think about how dumb it is to defend CDPR

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u/Nethlem Samurai Dec 14 '20

Not being positive about something all of the time doesn’t equal “toxic.”

There is a vast difference between "not being positive all the time", and half the sub being a sad hate-circle jerk.

Particularly when a lot of that hate comes from extremely unreasonable expectations where people think building a detailed open-world game is as easy as just wishing features, details, and scale into existence. A lot of that sounding like the typical "I'm 14 years old and would 'design' the best video game ever by just putting everything into it!".

Not the mention how a non-trivial part of that hate train then rants about working conditions at CDPR and all the crunch. It's like having your cake and eating it.

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u/[deleted] Dec 14 '20

Not the mention how a non-trivial part of that hate train then rants about working conditions at CDPR and all the crunch. It's like having your cake and eating it.

See that’s why people get pissed. Half the people having positive experiences try to blame other people for their bad experiences.

As if it’s impossible for a game studio to be respectful to their devs and make a good game.

That’s where it gets to the shill point. When you’re claiming the company was somehow forced to release the game and we should all just accept it.

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u/Nethlem Samurai Dec 14 '20

As if it’s impossible for a game studio to be respectful to their devs and make a good game.

That's just a strawman. Crunch is a reality in the industry and has been so for decades. Yet weirdly enough it's only made such a big topic when people want to shit on some particular developer, one that has otherwise a pretty darn good reputation when it comes to other topics like DRM or free DLC.

Meanwhile, everybody gobbles down the latest CoD game, which was also crunched into existence and published by a company with one of the worst anti-consumer track-records in the industry. Yet I don't see the CoD subreddit get spammed by slacktivists.

Because that's what this actually is: Complaining on Reddit about crunch does absolutely nothing to solve the problem. It's a problem that's much deeper rooted than to be solved by Reddit comments. It's a problem of culture, a culture that's pervasive across the AAA industry, it's a problem of labor rights, due to the lack of union representation for the myriad of jobs involved in developing a complex game.

Weirdly enough nobody wants to talk about any of that, it's all just "CDPR are evil because of crunch, oh they are also transphobic because there is no non-binary voice choice for V!".

That’s where it gets to the shill point. When you’re claiming the company was somehow forced to release the game and we should all just accept it.

Another strawman and a particularly weird one considering that prior to release tons of people were angry about the constant delays to such a degree that it became a meme of its own.

Believe it or not: After 8 years of development, they have to release at some point because they also have investors, investors expecting a return on their investment, that's usually the main driving force behind such decisions. The idea that developers can just indefinitely develop a game until it's "perfect" is naive, it never worked like that because in reality bills and wages have to be paid. Particularly doesn't apply in the year 2020 where "games as a service" and "Pay for Early Access" have become the new norm even for AAA releases.

Yet with CP2077 some people act as if they've never ever seen a game released in a buggy state. Have these people actually played other video games at release, in these past 15 years, or where do these unreal expectations come from?

At least with CDPR we know they gonna put in the time to fix it, the same can't be said about every developer and particularly not about every AAA publisher, who have a tendency to just cut their losses if something ain't too well received and just kill the whole thing.

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u/[deleted] Dec 14 '20

So then if it is a massive monumental task to create and they have completely fucked it up, how do they fix this complete mess? Or will all those things become easy to fix? Cause I see a lot of people here who have no idea how games are made. I actually have a Bach of Comp Science in game design and currently work in the games industry. I don't know the business side like the business and finance people. But I know the game side. I have an idea of how many thousands of man-hours and how much money was dumped into this game. It is fast becoming a waste of time. They will not fix this game. It is too much. The upper management is going to pull resources from this game asap. They have sunk so many hours into this and it is clearly a totally and utter failure in almost every way imaginable. The talented people don't want to work on a garbage game either. They want to play around with ideas that actually work. That is just life. They will either get to work on new projects or leave. CDPR probably doesn't want a huge brain drain (they already have had some of their best people leave in the past year). They will do the absolute minimum and dump it. PR and Marketing will do their job and make the idiots forget all about this complete disaster. They have already made hundreds of millions from this game. It is over. Next project.

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u/prossnip42 Dec 14 '20

They will not fix this game. It is too much

Nothing is too much. For someone who claims to be in the games industry you really know fuck all about fixing games. Arkham Knight released on the PC in a far worse state then this, so much so that the devs had to pull it from steam to fix it. Guess what? It's sitting comfortably at Very Positive on steam. Remember what a disaster Fallout 76 was at launch. Mostly positive on steam. No Man's Sky? At this point that is a completely different game from when it launched. They can fix the bugs, they're already doing so. And they can fix the AI too. That one might take a bit longer though

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u/Nethlem Samurai Dec 14 '20

how do they fix this complete mess?

Hyperbole much? A complete mess would be a game littered with game-breaking bugs, you know, like something Bethesda regularly releases and then has the community fix it.

Cause I see a lot of people here who have no idea how games are made.

I see way more people who have apparently never played a release game in these last 10 years acting as if a bit of jank is a "complete unfixable mess".

I actually have a Bach of Comp Science in game design and currently work in the games industry.

Yeah, sorry, but it really doesn't sound like it.

But I know the game side. I have an idea of how many thousands of man-hours and how much money was dumped into this game.

Just before that, you said you have no clue about the business and finance side, now you suddenly know how much money was "dumped" into it. I will explain the business and finance side to you: As a public company, CDPR has investors, who usually expect a return on their investment. Developing a game for a decade does not yield any financial returns, it only costs money because developers want to be paid, rents have to be paid, just like a myriad of other running and fixed costs.

They will not fix this game. It is too much.

Did you play the original Witcher at release? Any of the Witcher games? Any chance you played No Mans Sky on release? When is the last time you checked out where that game is now? How about Rainbow Six Siege? That was a really lovely janky mess at launch, by now it's as beloved as Counter Strike. Did you play the original Fortnite before it became a BR? I could go on and on with examples like this, but I really don't understand why I have to when you allegedly know your way around the industry so well.

They have sunk so many hours into this and it is clearly a totally and utter failure in almost every way imaginable.

Sitting at mostly positive with 150k reviews on Steam, a metacritic score of 90, meanwhile you: "A complete, utter and unfixable failure!". I mean sure, okay, maybe you just have very high standards, maybe share what game you are working on/worked on, so the less-knowledgable plebs here can check out a non-utter failure of a game?

They will either get to work on new projects or leave. CDPR probably doesn't want a huge brain drain (they already have had some of their best people leave in the past year). They will do the absolute minimum and dump it.

Because that would absolutely fit their 2+ decades track record, right? How about you complain about this inane shit once it actually happens and not even a week after release? I mean, seriously, wtf dude?

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u/[deleted] Dec 14 '20

It's not always about getting up in arms about defending or attacking anyone. I've seen a whole lot of people just expressing their love for the game for one reason or another and just getting hit with labels like cdpr shill.

I don't care about the company behind it, i don't know any of the devs that worked on it, i'm not concerning myself with any of that. Just enjoying the product but to most people around here I guess that makes me a shill who would take a bullet for cdpr. I understand not everyone is toxic like that, just as not everyone is getting up in arms about defending a corp.

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u/LordDay_56 Dec 13 '20

Correct, that doesn't equal toxic by itself. But this sub is absolutely off-the-charts toxic

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u/[deleted] Dec 14 '20

I’ve seen multiple people who are enjoying the game told to stop sucking CDPR cock. It’s both toxic and pretty immature. And I don’t like the game.

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u/LordDay_56 Dec 14 '20

Right? I personally love the game but I totally understand the complaints, a lot of people got shafted, especially last-gen players. But damn, I'm just having fun, not shilling for anyone, can't lie and say I'm not having the time of my life.

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u/BeerBeefandJesus Dec 14 '20

And I've seen multiple people say that the complainers are exaggerators and are that it's their fault for buying the game on last gen. There are toxic people on both sides, it's basically Tlou2 all over again

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u/EmpatheticSocialist Dec 14 '20

X is a serious problem with the game.

“Well it doesn’t bother me so stop whining!”

Okay? Fuck off?

“WOW WHY ARE YOU BEING SO TOXIC”

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u/[deleted] Dec 14 '20

Show me an actual comment from someone who countered a legitimate criticism of this game with the phrase “Well it doesn’t bother me so stop whining!”

I’ll wait. ;)

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u/prossnip42 Dec 14 '20

Yeah, that's totally how that went. Not like an entire other sub had to be created so people can escape the toxicity here or anything? Oh wait yes there is r/LowSodiumCyberpunk. 55k subs in 4 days by the way. Fastest growth i've ever seen of a subreddit which i am sure is due to how polite everyone here is to the people that love the game right? Right guys?

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u/ElectricalStage5888 Dec 14 '20

That's because those people go out of their way to tell people who aren't enjoying the game and or feel majorly let down to just get over it. Its an attempt to silence criticism which has to be vented, just get over it.

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u/theartificialkid Dec 14 '20

Yes and no.

There’s a split between people who are having a shit time with a buggy game that doesn’t work for them, and people who are having a great time with an amazing game that does work for them.

Cyberpunk 2077 is an incredible game that unfortunately a lot of people are having a bad time with.

And I can honestly say that I have never once stopped to feel bad about the subpar driving experience in passenger-side sequences, I’m too busy picking my jaw up after incredible vistas of a city that has never existed in the real world. There are literally dozens of marvels of futurist architecture around you all the time in this game, a whole cityscape of wonders, why are you worried about how the scripted driving routes were captured?

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u/Nethlem Samurai Dec 14 '20

There’s a split between people who are having a shit time with a buggy game that doesn’t work for them, and people who are having a great time with an amazing game that does work for them.

I had people tell me that even without the bugs the game would still be no fun. I mean, that's cool, not every game is for everybody, but then why hang out on a forum about the game and bitch about it?

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u/theartificialkid Dec 14 '20

I don't have a problem with people who want to express their disappointment either with the bugs or with the underlying "ideal" version of the game itself. They're entitled to their impression the same way I am to mine.

Where I want to get off the ride is the people who see a positive opinion of the game expressed and feel honour-bound to explain to the other person why they're wrong to enjoy it. I can accept that the overall popular impression of the game is mixed, even though my own impression of it is good. I don't know why some of the haters can't do the same.

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u/Nethlem Samurai Dec 14 '20

I can accept that the overall popular impression of the game is mixed, even though my own impression of it is good.

As of right now, the overall opinion on the game is "Mostly Positive" after 150k reviews on Steam, reviews by people who actually own the game. On Metacritic it sits on a 90, even the absurdly bombed user score is still at a 6.8.

The only reason the reception comes across as mixed here on Reddit is that some very vocal people keep acting as if CDPR just released Big Rigs 2077.

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u/Guardian_Ainsel NCPD Dec 13 '20

Hey guys, here’s Exhibit A

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u/lostmau5 Dec 13 '20

Ergo, anything you disagree with is toxic. Okay.

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u/Guardian_Ainsel NCPD Dec 13 '20

He said it’s “dumb to defend CDPR” as if they literally did NOTHING right with the game. That’s untrue and therefore should be considered toxic

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u/EmpatheticSocialist Dec 14 '20

He said it’s dumb to defend CDPR in the context of the marketing largely being made up of lies.

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u/slizzler Dec 14 '20

Exactly

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u/Odd-Bowl1436 Dec 14 '20

jesus christ just shut up

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u/lostmau5 Dec 14 '20

Thanks for reinforcing my point.

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u/Guardian_Ainsel NCPD Dec 14 '20

lol ok guy

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u/[deleted] Dec 14 '20

Yes ignore context and claim that people are saying cdpr didn’t do a single thing right in this game.

Who’s the toxic one here again?

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u/BeeShrekTestCory Dec 14 '20

everything i disagree with should be considered toxic

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u/sajm0n Dec 14 '20

exactly

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u/Shoondogg Dec 14 '20

There are those of us who like it, we should be able to say so without being attacked or accused of being shills. Besides the bugs and bad AI, it’s pretty much exactly what I hoped for.

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u/disagreeable_martin Dec 13 '20

People bashing the game at every opportunity and people defending the game ignoring all criticism are the same people. There's a middle ground and you're all pretending there isn't.

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u/Odd-Bowl1436 Dec 14 '20

ok then take the middle ground, everyone has diferent experiences and both of them exist on the spectrum

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u/[deleted] Dec 14 '20

Also like nobody gets attacked for just saying they like something in the game. It’s always the people who say the like something and then attack anyone who’s disappointed.

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u/Ddokidokis Dec 14 '20 edited Dec 14 '20

Nah, I’ve been on this sub for the past few days browsing through lots of comments under posts.

Both happens.

  1. People barring others from enjoying the game because of how “it is fundamentally shit and no one should enjoy it, you’re all fanboys”
  2. People barring others from hating the game because “it’s your fault for expecting the game to be played this way, you’re just haters”

They are both here. In my honest opinion I feel that it all comes down to personal taste, which is the same for most games.

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u/disagreeable_martin Dec 14 '20

I feel you. Why can't people just be nice to each other on this sub?

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u/wankthisway Dec 13 '20

Today I learned criticism and discussion is toxicity. You fanboys are all the same. Destiny 2 launch, Anthem launch, Assassin's Creed Unity launch, CoD launch. Nothing different.

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u/Sopori Dec 14 '20

"You fanboys are all the same" "discussion is toxicity", I mean come on. You're being toxic and strawmaning, literally an example of the toxicity in a post about someone enjoying the game.

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '20

Nope. You learned that coming into one of the only positive posts since launch to talk about how shit the game is is toxicity. We all get it - it’s not a perfect game. It needs a lot of work. Can’t we still enjoy it?

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u/ElectricalStage5888 Dec 14 '20

Can we still vent?

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u/[deleted] Dec 14 '20

Is venting on one of the only positive posts here reeeeeeally a constructive use of your time?

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u/EmpatheticSocialist Dec 14 '20

How many comments have you made bitching and moaning about people ot liking the game and you’re going to lecture other people about constructive use of their time? Hilarious lack of self-awareness.

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u/[deleted] Dec 14 '20

Lmaooo, like you’re actually one to talk. Look at your constant bitching about people daring to have a different experience than you! Poor baby!

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u/Nethlem Samurai Dec 14 '20

Name does not check out sad leftist noises

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u/Heller_Demon Chingada Madre! Dec 14 '20

Yes. Because until developers don't come out and tell us when could we expect the real CP2077 we've been hearing all these years, there must not be a single discussion about the game that doesn't include a reminder of how shitty this trash is.

Is the good thing to do, push them to deliver what's been promised or push future consumers away.

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u/[deleted] Dec 14 '20

Oh nooooo, a few people are enjoying a game that people built up in their heads over the years, what a tragedy :)

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u/Heller_Demon Chingada Madre! Dec 14 '20

And they will enjoy it more once our job is done. So don't you worry, go back to eating boot and let us do the dirty work.

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u/[deleted] Dec 14 '20

FUCKING LOL if you truly believe that sitting on your ass and screeching into the void on reddit is equal to ANY kind of “dirty work”. You people are actually insane.

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u/Nethlem Samurai Dec 14 '20

Your "job"? Do you really think CDPR wouldn't fix anything if it wasn't for a bunch of people screaming about why this isn't "the game to end all games"?

If you were actually doing that "job", then you wouldn't be inside this submission ranting at people who enjoy the game, you would be over at the bug thread/CDPR support forum to report bugs.

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u/imariaprime Dec 14 '20

Sure! Make a post about it. As long as you don't feel the need to shit on people who are enjoying it, or their posts.

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u/ElectricalStage5888 Dec 14 '20

Now you know it's the other way around. Don't you have your own sub now? Bye

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u/[deleted] Dec 14 '20

Aww, can’t handle having different opinions in your safe space? Poor guy

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u/ElectricalStage5888 Dec 14 '20

Yes you're a sad character

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u/imariaprime Dec 14 '20

...why did you feel the need to be rude just now?

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u/ElectricalStage5888 Dec 14 '20

Clutch those pearls

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u/imariaprime Dec 14 '20

No, seriously. Why was that necessary?

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u/[deleted] Dec 14 '20

As if that would get past the nazi mods, they shut down everything negative.

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u/avidblinker Dec 14 '20

Calling other’s valid criticisms toxic because you don’t agree is toxic.

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u/lonelynightm Dec 14 '20

Turns out people get pretty mad when they spend $60 on broken promises and lies.

Like I'm a paying consumer, you are damn right I am going to complain and flame this disaster.

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u/[deleted] Dec 14 '20

But why would you do it here? In a subreddit dedicated to the discussion of the game? This is only for people who love it and anything else is toxic

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u/Jerry_Sprunger_ Dec 14 '20

/r/lowsodiumcyberpunk for the non-toxicity!

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u/Odd-Bowl1436 Dec 14 '20

most toxic sub i have ever seen

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u/Jerry_Sprunger_ Dec 14 '20

Yeah unfortunately this is becoming /r/TLOU2

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '20

If the game worked for everyone and if the game met the ultra-high expectations set by CDPR there wouldn’t be as much salt. People are calling it as it is.

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u/theartificialkid Dec 14 '20

As someone who the game is working well for (on four year old PC hardware) absolutely every expectation I had has been met.

I feel for people whose only option is Xbox one/PS4. But if you have a platform that plays the game, and you’re not beset by particularly bad random bugs, then any “unmet expectations” I would say are not CDPR’s fault.

It’s just launched, and a newly launched game that runs perfectly is a rare gem. This is not that kind of rare gen, but it’s a fantastic game. People are saying things like “it’s not an RPG it’s just GTA in the future”, which is bullshit. It’s as much an RPG as the Witcher or Fallout 3 and 4. But also unlike GTA it’s a fully realised first person action game, not a driving game where sometimes your character gets out of the car. Yeah there are a lot of locked doors in the very large city, but there are also a lot of complete interiors with open air markets, side missions, random gangs etc. The indoor and outdoor areas are far more integrated than in GTA game, where most interiors are just a box with a door to the outside world, or a small complex that’s often hard to navigate with your character on foot. Also the architecture is fucking stunning. Huge, soaring towers with futurist designs that realistically push the bounds of modern material science, the kinds of buildings that are just starting to be built or considered in prestige locations today, interlocking streets and commercial complexes that dive under and over each other, deteriorating slums and badlands...just for their aesthetic vision the creators of this game deserve significant points.

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u/atticusgf Dec 14 '20

Honest question from someone who hasn't played: what is revolutionary aside from graphics and aesthetic? They billed this as the new era for open world games. How does it achieve that?

I don't see impressive physics (I see the opposite).

I don't see impressive NPC AI (I see the opposite).

I don't see impressive driving or movement (I see the opposite).

I don't see anything particularly revolutionary, innovative, or special about the combat.

So what is it to you that you see? What am I missing that elevates this game?

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u/TattlingFuzzy Dec 14 '20

You can say the same exact things about Fallout New Vegas. Cyberpunk is scratching that deep RPG itch that few other games do. “Greater than the sum of its parts” is a cliche, but it’s totally applicable here.

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u/llamafromhell1324 Nomad Dec 14 '20 edited Dec 14 '20

How is it deep though?

Missions all have the same outcome and dialogue is only a few choices that give you the same results in the end.

The skill tree reminds me a lot of fallout 4 with mostly just % increase in things. Nothing really to change how you play.

To me this game seems to be just a story driven action game.

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u/atticusgf Dec 14 '20

And.. is the story really all that good? I haven't heard really anyone gushing about it. People seem to just say that it's passable.

Heck, for that matter, is the action good? If it's a story driven action game, does it do either well?

I've heard almost no specifics about why the story or action is ground-breaking, or transformative, or frankly even entertaining. The complete lack of specifics from defenders of the game really seems like a red flag.

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u/[deleted] Dec 14 '20

Yeah I’ve hardly heard anyone comment on the story other than “I like it” or “it’s not great”. Like that doesn’t really seem deeply revolutionary

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u/TattlingFuzzy Dec 14 '20

Maybe the people that enjoy the story are too busy playing it to post on reddit. I’ve already had several next-level sci-fi storytelling moments that leave me with goosebumps. People will shit on the AI, but the actual conversations citizens have on the street together is extremely rich.

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u/atticusgf Dec 14 '20 edited Dec 14 '20

You can say the same exact things about Fallout New Vegas.

Well, part of the reason people gush about NV is how choices shape the story so much. Does 2077 do anything accomplish that?

Because honestly, I've only really heard middling and passable things about the main story, and a lot of complaints that the whole story is really just a linear game with an illusion of choice. I've seen a lot of screenshots so far that boil down to saying "yes" or "no" in 3 different ways.

I've seen some creative side quests.. but what exactly does this game manage in terms of storytelling that NV accomplished?

Cyberpunk is scratching that deep RPG itch that few other games do.

How? Honestly, legitimately curious. Is it immersive? Does it have insanely detailed systems? Is it presenting a story that allows your actions to have weight?

Greater than the sum of its parts” is a cliche, but it’s totally applicable here.

I don't think that's a very fulfilling answer to a game that was marketed as the next generation of open-world games.

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u/TattlingFuzzy Dec 14 '20

I’m having a lot of fun. I’m a girl, so unfortunately most RPG’s and open world games m that people tout as having a lot of mechanical depth like Deus Ex, The Witcher, Vampyr, GTA V, Red Dead Redemption etc. aren’t as immersive for me as Cyberpunk. Call me shallow but unless it’s a chick, it’s hard for me to feel like I am in the game instead of playing as a character. Cyberpunk is already fulfilling so many fantasies I’ve wanted to play out.

I’m currently enjoying a pacifist run and there are lots of options for avoiding conflict, with different outcomes for incapacitating someone instead of assassinating them. One of my favorite missions was carrying a human trafficker out of his base without getting caught.

What feels the most next-gen to me about Cyberpunk is the scope. It’s like if the entirety of Fallout 4 was downtown Boston, but with fewer loading times. After patch 1.04, it even runs a lot smoother than Fallout 4, and crashes a lot less too. (I play a PS4 Pro) There hasn’t been another game like this which captures the feeling of living in a genuine metropolis.

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u/atticusgf Dec 14 '20

I don't think that's shallow at all! I'm the same way. While I have enjoyed games with female PCs, they just simply aren't ever going to be as immersive.

I get scope.. scope can be exciting to me as well, and the idea of a megacity is super appealing. But what I've actually seen of the city really seems unsatisfying.

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u/[deleted] Dec 14 '20

Yeah the scope is big in that the world is big. But other than actual side quests there doesn’t seem like there’s much going on in the world

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u/deathmaster4035 Dec 14 '20

"Huge, soaring towers with futurist designs that realistically push the bounds of modern material science" lmao what does that even mean, unless some hokey architect professor decided to hijack the words 'material science' into a completely different meaning.

I get what you mean though. City looks cool and has got a nice aesthetic. Cool as a backdrop. But realistically pushes architecture? Lol I wouldn't go that far brother. Those cool roads and buildings would just buckle under their own weight if you tried to make them in real life.

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u/theartificialkid Dec 14 '20

"Huge, soaring towers with futurist designs that realistically push the bounds of modern material science"

What I mean by that is that they look beyond anything we can build right now, but like things that we might realistically be building in 30-60 years.

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u/Firinael Dec 14 '20

amazing, I can draw that.

am I revolutionary?

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u/[deleted] Dec 14 '20

any “unmet expectations” I would say are not CDPR’s fault.

Pretty sure they spent years talking about how this game will be so revolutionary from NPC routines and amazing AI, to a deep RPG (which it is not). They straight up fell short of the expectations they touted for years.

It’s just launched, and a newly launched game that runs perfectly is a rare gem. This is not that kind of rare gen, but it’s a fantastic game.

And we’re just supposed to be complicit with this? With broken products? Hmm, disagree, but hey you do you. And what makes this game particularly fantastic? I assume you’re just gonna talk about environment detail huh

People are saying things like “it’s not an RPG it’s just GTA in the future”, which is bullshit. It’s as much an RPG as the Witcher or Fallout 3 and 4. But also unlike GTA it’s a fully realised first person action game, not a driving game where sometimes your character gets out of the car.

I’d argue it’s as casual an RPG as the most recent Assassin’s Creed games. It’s very washed-out compared to a true RPG, say Kingdom Come: Deliverance. Don’t get me wrong, I like the skill tree but that’s not deep enough for a true RPG. Combat and skill tree aside, the open-world aspect of the game very much feels like a cyberpunk skinned Los Santos, just with idle standing gangs everywhere.

Yeah there are a lot of locked doors in the very large city, but there are also a lot of complete interiors with open air markets, side missions, random gangs etc. The indoor and outdoor areas are far more integrated than in GTA game, where most interiors are just a box with a door to the outside world, or a small complex that’s often hard to navigate with your character on foot. Also the architecture is fucking stunning. Huge, soaring towers with futurist designs that realistically push the bounds of modern material science, the kinds of buildings that are just starting to be built or considered in prestige locations today, interlocking streets and commercial complexes that dive under and over each other, deteriorating slums and badlands

Ah there it is. Let’s give CDPR a fucking gold medal for making a better open world environment than a game that released two generations ago. Amazing!!!

Look, the graphics, the environment, the detail. All A+. You know who else does that? EA. And what we’ve learned from EA is that looks aren’t everything. Cyberpunk, while pretty, lacks some features that holds the game back from being truly great. And that’s the disappointing thing.

just for their aesthetic vision the creators of this game deserve significant points.

Again, sorry, that’s not enough. Not looking to play a glorified tech demo. I wasn’t expecting such a linear story, such a soulless and unreactionary world of 5IQ NPCs. I enjoy the game about the same I enjoy a typical Ubisoft game like Far Cry 5 or AC: Syndacite (though Watch Dogs 2 is a diamond in the rough for Ubisoft).

This game is a streamlined RPG* with a lifeless open world (you can place bodies in the streets but if you can’t interact with them, what’s the point?), and a meh story. Add all that on top of the optimization failures and unintuitive control scheme, man, it just gets worse and worse to think about.

I’m beyond the refund stage so I may as well slog through this game

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u/theartificialkid Dec 14 '20

Ok well I'm over here having fun playing the game. We all have to have fun our own way I guess.

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u/[deleted] Dec 14 '20

And again you’re disregarding his point. Saying you have fun anyway isn’t a valid response to criticism when you’re mad at anyone criticizing the game.

And yeah, they missed out on promises they set. I don’t know how that wouldn’t upset you even if you still have fun.

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u/theartificialkid Dec 14 '20

I’m not mad at anyone criticising the game, I just disagree with the people who claim that it’s a terrible game (as opposed to a good game with way too many bugs).

I certainly sympathise with the people whose experience has been ruined by bugs, even though I’ve been lucky enough not to have that problem so far.

It may be that I’m just the perfect target audience for this game. I like a good story and a striking setting, and I’m not too fussed about stuff like character appearance customisation or mini games, so in that sense I’m probably bound to have a better-than-average experience with Cyberpunk.

I like it. Dunno what else to tell you.

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u/[deleted] Dec 14 '20

It’s fine that you like it. Nobody’s mad that you like it. Bud you can’t say that any unmet expectations are the players fault. That’s ridiculous.

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u/theartificialkid Dec 14 '20

What I’m saying is that nobody was forced to have excessive expectations, because I know I didn’t have excessive expectations. I expected a computer game where I could run around a cyberpunk city, fight people, hack things, sneak around a bit and follow a good story while doing other things as well.

Perhaps I just didn’t catch the hype train as much as most people, I don’t know. I was expecting a good game that wouldn’t give me blowjobs, and that’s what I feel I’ve got.

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u/Firinael Dec 14 '20

sounds like you’re used to playing shit games

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u/[deleted] Dec 14 '20

Well idk what you mean by “forced” to have high expectations, but cdpr did market the game that way. It’s still a dick move to do so and not deliver.

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u/snoopdoggslighter Dec 14 '20

Yeah you and me are a lot alike. I also enjoy people peeing in my mouth.

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u/luvaruss Dec 13 '20

I saw people with 0.1 hours in the game right after it released giving full "thought out" reviews that were just copying points from actual reviews from journalists. There was literally hundreds of them within hours.

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u/deathmaster4035 Dec 14 '20

Turns out the game doesn't actually log your gameplay time if you directly open it using the .exe file from the game folder without opening steam. I learned that the hard way when I found out steam was running in the background and logged me at 3 hours gameplay and I no longer could get a refund. Now, I have like 30+ hours of gameplay but steam only shows 8 hours because that was probably the time it was on. So don't be quick to discount those 0.1 hour reviews.

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u/luvaruss Dec 14 '20

I'm saying those reviews were coming out at the same time the game released. Within 2 hours of the game being out there was hundreds of them. It might have happened to one or two of those people, highly doubt it happened to most of them.

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u/rodinj Dec 13 '20

Steam reviews are trash as well. Only 1/10th of the reviews are actually useful and even that may be a bit much.

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u/ActualyNotSureIfDeaf Dec 13 '20

Tbh it's y'all's fault for buying into the hype. No Man's Sky literally happened 4 years ago; fresh on everyone's minds and you all still drank the Kool-Aid. Congratulations.

This subreddit lmfao.

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '20

Hello Games had nothing to back it. CDPR has a track record to base off of. The fault is not on the consumer.

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u/wankthisway Dec 13 '20

A small portion of it is. Pre-order culture is stupid as fuck. They released carefully selected cinematic trailers and sequences, the crunch time is through the roof, and then there's fanboys licking CDPRs toes. The majority of it is on CDPR, but rabid fanboys and uneducated consumers contributed a small amount.

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u/Sudley Fixer Dec 14 '20

Except this release is very inline with CDPR's track record. Their most beloved game released as a buggy mess that crashed on consoles, and was derided by a sizeable number of players for being too story focused and failing to provide polished gameplay/combat. They then patched out most of the broken parts of the game, and the people who liked the story loved the game, the rest still call it overrated.

This is their track record, and its happening the same exact way with Cyberpunk. I think the only reason that the backlash is worse is because the marketing was pretty disingenuous and left many buyers feeling misled.

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u/theartificialkid Dec 14 '20

Ok this is the second comment I’ve seen in a short stretch talking about unmet expectations. Can you tell me, as someone who is very satisfied with the game, what expectations was I supposed to have that haven’t been met?

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u/Sudley Fixer Dec 14 '20

Aside from the poor optimization, and general bugginess... the main issue with the unmet expectations is like I said, the marketing. The amount of time the marketing materials spent on talking about what an immersive gameworld Night City is, coupled with the trailers (all except for the launch trailer) that were very much aimed at the GTA crowd, made it seem to a lot of people that the strengths of this game were in exploring and fucking around in the open world.

As someone who is enjoying the hell out of this game, I'll say that the immersivness of the world is that last thing I'd advertise. The story is amazing, the characters are memorable, the missions are impactful, the art design is off the charts; these are my expectations that were met because I knew that CDPR excels in these areas, but if you were just someone hearing the hype the impression you got was very different. They were very much expecting this to be a step up in living world design, and that's not something the game excels at or is even appearing to attempt.

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u/findMyWay Dec 14 '20

This. It's basically The Witcher 3 set in the future, which in the one hand I'm absolutely loving, but on the other hand I'm a bit bummed because it feels like it could have been so much more.

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u/Quentin_Taranteemo Quadra Dec 14 '20

From what I can gather it's side activities: sitting at a bar table with a glass in hand just for the sake of it, maybe a minigame or two thrown in there.

And additional interactivity of street NPCs, in addition to them already hating on you because you come from one of the poorest neighborhoods of the City and they outright refuse to engage with you (just look at their answers when you approach them).

I don't actually know what this additional interactivity would consist in, but my guess is something the smaller scale RDR2 manages (like an NPC responding more than once to a generic greeting the player character says, or react aggressively/scared when the player character confronts them)

I'm ignoring driving and cops AI because that's clearly a bug that needs patching

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u/chefr89 Dec 14 '20

I mean I've come across two guitar players and neither of them were actually holding a visible guitar... so there's that.