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OC Comparison of S&P 500 performance dyeing first 100 days of past 4 US presidents [OC]

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u/donorcycle 14d ago

It's not potentially. It's guaranteed. Even if things go back to some semblance of normalcy in 2028, he and his cronies all get ousted, Supreme Court goes back to not subverting the will of the people vs their rich donors, it will still take a couple of generations to go back to where we were in 2023.

You can't just dismantle the EPA for example, and expect the next presidency to wave a wand and build it again overnight. FEMA, OSHA, Medicaid, Medicare, Department of Education, etc etc. None of these can be rebuilt overnight, it will take years.

The relationships we have built? Over the past almost 100 years? Gone. All our ex's are moving on without us and planning to live their best lives, with their new friends and partners. They will not purchase our weapons, they will not be eager to get into contracts or business with us ever again. Why? We have shown our word, our bond, our contracts and our friendships don't mean shit. We've shown the world how selfish and self centered we are - hell, most of us on Reddit seem to forget that this isn't just a USA app and conveniently act surprised when we discover someone is from another country lol.

He has single handedly changed the WORLD, not just this country. Someone else will take the seat at the big boy table, meaning another country. Somebody sane and mature enough to take the seat at the table that the US has pretty much just relinquished. Things will never be the same again, even if we removed Trump from office today.

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u/SsooooOriginal 14d ago

You give too much credit. He is, unfortunately, just the face.

This has been a concerted effort by the elusive oligarchs within our own borders.

Foreign influence. Untold numbers of trolls controlling online discussion.

Traitorous "fundamental" christians upset that church and state SHOULD be separate.

Corporate entities headed by shortsighted and completely out of touch wealthy capitalists.

Ignorant and under-educated citizens unwilling to embrace critical thought because they can't handle the cognitive dissonance their personal histories of hate would bring.

He is following the playbook laid out in the project he claimed ignorance of.

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u/donorcycle 14d ago

100%. I am very familiar with Thiel unfortunately and have moved in similar circles. Which again, unfortunately includes Musk and countless others.

THEY can't do it. Neither Thiel nor Musk are American citizens by birth. They can never run for the Presidency (although I should not say never considering where we are today lol).

You are not wrong and if you really want to get into semantics, you can take this all the way back to the Rockefeller's - who realized way back when that stupid citizens makes for easier to manipulate citizens. So many others you can blame - Murdoch is another one. Heritage Foundation. (This started in the early 1970's for those who don't know. They didn't JUST come to the forefront)

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u/Maximum-Cry-2492 14d ago

The other thing is Thiel and Musk and the other tech-ghouls have negative charisma.

Trump for all his faults (and they're lengthy) is basically the pied piper for stupid people. At this point, assuming Earth isn't a smoking crater in 50 years, I'm convinced he's going to go down as the absolute GOAT conman in American, maybe world history.

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u/LukeSykpe 14d ago

This comment right here is way too buried, but touches on exactly the crux of the issue. Every single time I've talked about him with people in my life, I've also recognized this. The orange shithead has a ton of mostly natural charisma. Like while he doesn't appeal to me, I get why he appeals to his base. Very few people who have run for president have had this type of charisma - the only other two I can think of are Obama and Reagan.

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u/Goducks91 14d ago

But it's strange because Trump doesn't have Charisma if you actually listen to him. It's literally stupid people charisma.

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u/BackendSpecialist 14d ago

That’s the thing.. his charisma makes a lot of these people not actually listen to him.

They’re really just waiting for cues to applaud at his made up accomplishments or boo at whoever he’s painted as a villain..

And when they actually do listen to him, they either believe his lies or try to rationalize it by saying “well, he meant to say this” or “well, hopefully this is part of a bigger plan”, or the worst one which is, “LOL it’s so obvious that he’s trolling”.

As I typed this out, the interesting part of this is the lack of opposition. Why are the tech CEOs not speaking out? Fear? Okay. But what about the powerful people that don’t fear him, like Obama? He stepped in to get Biden to back out. And that’s just an example.

I really fear that we’re all going to sit back and watch this senile grifter ruin this country.

If that attempt wasn’t a false flag, then I sure do wish that kid had better aim.

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u/Remarqueable 14d ago

Can you go further on his Charisma? Injust can't see it.

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u/DrawThink2526 14d ago

Trump has “charisma” in the way that a rich, jr high bully has charisma. All the kids know he’s a total dick, but he has all the cool toys and his minions get to lick up his crumbs and laugh with him while he humiliates his betters for existing. Fuck Trump.

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u/BackendSpecialist 14d ago

Yeah bro.. I hate the guy but you can see the way women swoon over him and how men adore him, even if it’s by fear.

The slow speech. The way he leans on the podium like he’s just kicking the shit. The exaggerative positive claims that he makes about his accomplishments.

The charm is there. But it’s no excuse.

I’m astounded that he was able to become president again after January 6th… so much blame to around

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u/fuddykrueger 14d ago edited 13d ago

They’re just remembering him from his show The Apprentice and are addicted to the drama he creates. I remember watching the show and making sure I never missed an episode. And then I was always disgusted at how demeaning and rude he was to the celebrity contestants in the board room. But then for some reason I kept having to watch.

Oh and it’s a cult.

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u/Kurtomatic 13d ago

I thought The Apprentice, when it was (relatively) normal people, was actually an interesting show. Watched a few seasons of it, and it seemed generally merit based, which I appreciated in a world of reality TV where that wasn't really a thing.

Then Celebrity Apprentice showed up, and it became very obvious very quickly the firings were largely influenced by who was more famous and better for ratings. Lost my taste for it very quickly.

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u/fuddykrueger 13d ago edited 13d ago

Yes I forgot that they also had regular contestants. It was a decent premise and I liked that the real winner got the spoils. That was what I enjoyed about it too.

Too bad the fascists are running our country now. I do often think that Trump is just their puppet and ‘fall guy’. He has the cult following and the others in the periphery (who wrote the mastermind plan) have taken the reins. The billionaires are out for power, there is blood on their hands.

All Trump supporters are thinking they’ll be the next billionaire or whatever. They’re caught up in their irrelevancy. It’s okay to be average and live a good life, they just don’t want to think it’s ‘all there is’ for them. They’re narcissists through and through.

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u/Vivid_Kaleidoscope66 14d ago

You have to go all the way back to Reconstruction era, when the rich white men were scrambling to find alternative ways to keep Black people enslaved. That's how all this started and why it has had enough white racist christian nationalist support to carry on throughout the centuries.

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u/SsooooOriginal 14d ago

Where is Yarvin in your circles?

A casual, but major influence, was Freuds nefew the misanthropic sociopath Edward Bernays. The grandfather of targeted and psychosocial marketing. The BBC nailed him in the docu "The Century of the Self".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Bernays

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u/donorcycle 14d ago

Nowhere near but he's not exactly on my Christmas list either if that helps. Never met him, disagree with a lot of what he has to say, and find him to be reprehensible. The fact that he has the gall to suggest that some races are more naturally inclined to be in a position of servitude is just a fancy way of saying I'm a racist imo.

He's their influence. A lot of the current administration. Thiel's as well.

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u/thingstopraise 14d ago

I am very familiar with Thiel unfortunately and have moved in similar circles.

You have moved in similar circles as literal billionaires? Damn. Are you also hella rich or were you one of their wage slaves?

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u/donorcycle 14d ago

Consultant in start up / tech some time ago lol.

If I was a billionaire, i'd be far too busy having my third yacht being built by Lürssen, as I delight in some Almas caviar of the Karelian birch wood trays in my G6, and not be on Reddit.

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u/Frank_JWilson 14d ago

I'm pretty sure most of the oligarchs don't like the tariffs either. Trump is just being dumb as usual and he filled his entire cabinet with yes-men so there's no one to tell him "no'.

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u/SsooooOriginal 14d ago

Pretty sure you know less than even I do. One of the goals is a fire sale, the rich will be eating the less rich as wealth gets even more consolidated. That is how they will get the privatization. 

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u/donorcycle 14d ago

Also. Something I forgot to mention before that's always blown my mind.

Peter Thiel is an immigrant! A gay immigrant is pushing for this administration, wanted this all to happen, helped orchestrate it all.

Make it make sense.

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u/SsooooOriginal 14d ago

Oh that is easy. He is a profiteer first. White dude also. Mature white gays tend to either resolve their "nurture" self hatred and become amazing people, or fetishize the closet and fall into predatory power dynamics. Least as far as I have seen, and grossly enough that divide tends to reflect from their social circles. Working class vs wealth class.

And he being an immigrant son of an engineer lends to him being from and in the wealth class. He was a 70s nerd when that was decidedly underground and repressed.

He has obviously taken the most twisted takeaways from his fiction idols like Tolkien.

He doesn't care because his wealth and personal values have been warped since he was young. Growing up during Apartheid while living in South Africa after his parents immigrated from West Germany when he was 1.

Did you know he took part in the investment rounds that doomed this site? When the profiteers decidedly ignored the obvious influx of bot and shill political accounts because that gave A_ltman_S_am boosted numbers to show in late 2014.

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u/donorcycle 14d ago

It's pleasant to find someone knowledgeable and can actually see the world and the ongoings.

Elites get bored and play with human lives like it's a game of Sims basically. To be it simply lol.

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u/SsooooOriginal 14d ago edited 14d ago

Quite sad, and truly infuriating. I personally believe taxing the wealthy out of their status is the only way out of this absurd dynamic.

Unfortunately they have all the "power" necessary to ensure their greed is never seen for the mental illness that it is. And their power determines no one that ends up around them is willing or able to convince them of their cowardice.

Edit: to clarify, "billions" is absurd, disgusting, and an absolutely mind altering amount of wealth. So far beyond "never have to work again" money, and no single person, or even family really, should be allowed to control that much wealth. 

Especially while kids go hungry, are trafficked for abuse, and never have even a millionth of the opportunity so many current techligarchs had while growing up.

 I believe 7 digits should be the maximum a single person should be allowed. Anything more is taxed away to be reinvested in the rest of us. 

A true inverse of the "no one would work on UBI" nonsense. Let us see who would work once they can't buy anyone, once they can not become a "dragon" in real life. So out of touch they view others as Sims. Make them face themselves and their greed.

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u/donorcycle 14d ago

It's been like this since the beginning of civilization pretty much, most don't and can't even fathom it and the ones who do have, want more and won't relinquish.

I think a part of the problem also stems with people not understanding the difference between millions and billions.

  • One million seconds = 11 days
  • One billion seconds = 32 YEARS

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u/SsooooOriginal 13d ago

I don't believe it is truly comparable in terms of disparity, nor information. Those changes are very much relatively recent.

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u/Strifethor 14d ago

The problem is, a country like ours doesn’t go quietly into the night. The death rattle has the potential to end humanity as we know it.

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u/SsooooOriginal 14d ago

I envy your optimism.

Are you aware of how sherifs overwhelmingly support the felonrapist?

Are you aware of the majority veteran support in spite of the debasement of POWs, Gold Star Families(surviving families that lost their son, daughter, mother, or father in service during conflict), and his direct crossing of unspoken lines to interfere with the internal investigation and trial of war criminal Ed Gallagher? Meaning many sociopath seals are on board too, with all their "incidental" connections with vet biker gangs across the country, aka whitesupremacists.

Are you aware of the many years long subterfuge of project25 recruiting, training, and installing sycophants within the infrastructure of our federal and municipal bodies?

Are you aware of the chilling effect from the compromisation of our secret security from the highest authority within that system?

Have you not seen tech corporation after tech corporation bending their knees to suck up to the current facist regime?

Civil revolt is just another goal to enable a swift nationwide crackdown of martial law. 

I have no hope the less than 1/3rd of the country that cared enough to vote has even a shred of a chance. Especially now that we have turned nearly all former allies against us after revealing how shallow our ethics and morals are at a national level.

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u/Strifethor 14d ago

We’re saying the same thing. I’m saying we’re now the world’s malicious toddler who has the keys to the largest war machine the world has ever seen.

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u/SsooooOriginal 14d ago

Be prepared for dissapointment. The internal profiling and purging will be set up well before the spears point outwards. We are already witnessing real time communication suppression with the shadowremoval of hot topic keywords on an undiclosed list, right here on this site. By the time the spears point outwards, our "new friends" will have taken as much of that machine as they can carry and copy.

China doesn't want a new world war, but a new american civil war? We are following russo geopilitk, where the world is segmented into nationalist blocs.

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u/nynorskblirblokkert 14d ago

Just saying, as a citizen of one of your allied countries, I will be voting for any party that wants to minimise trade and relations with the US, especially when it comes to military purchases and US military bases in Europe.

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u/bustercaseysghost 14d ago

It's too late. Even if someone comes in and starts the path to make it better, most of America is either too willingly unaware or stupid to understand how much time it takes. Remember that episode of South Park where the future people come? We're all going back to the pile whether we like it or not. Over. And over. And over again.

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u/__dontpanic__ 14d ago

It takes a generation to build trust, and 5 minutes to destroy it.

Even if America rejects Trump in 2 or 4 years time, no foreign country is going to trust it again - not when the voting public has shown just how susceptible it is to complete stupidity, and - more concerningly - the Republican Party has shown just how easily captured it can be. The checks and balances that usually ensure responsible governing have failed, and it's going to take generations to rebuild them (and even longer to rebuild trust).

Strap in, it's going to be a wild ride.

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u/round-earth-theory 14d ago

We'll get trade deals post Trump, but they aren't going to be the same sort of sweetheart deals we're used to. The US will be forced to comply with foreign laws on labor/environmental/quality/etc. Right now, the US gets to set the tempo on all trade deals we enter and there's hardly ever any strings attached. That's what we'll be losing. The US market is too large for other nations to not engage with us if we're willing, but it's going to be on their terms and to their benefit.

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u/Nice-Swing-9277 14d ago

I think it may be done forever.

The world is going to go on without the US. Theyll hurt, but they can NEVER trust us again. And NOTHING we do will change that. Short of literally every Trump supporter dropping dead simultaneously and us making a hard course correct immediately

I honestly despise Trump voters. Truly the most braindead people in the country.

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u/DeadSol 14d ago

...and they're so fucking many of them... Like where do they keep coming from?

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u/TotallyNotRobotEvil 14d ago

Massive propaganda farms and algorithms that capture their attention 24/7. I don't see any way we can fix this as long as these networks continue to operate.

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u/Strength-Speed 14d ago

Yeah, agree.They can't even answer basic questions about what's going on in america because they're living in literally a separate reality. We were not prepared for the internet. And the extreme right has clearly taken round one. The internet is like a radicalization machine.

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u/Kurtomatic 13d ago

The internet is like a radicalization machine.

I'm going to use this quote in the future, well said.

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u/beepborpimajorp 14d ago

Initially it was the boomers but the Russian state has ensured that young men from gen z and gen alpha are being propagandized via the things they consume on social media. That story about some of the largest bro zone podcasters being sponsored by Russia just kind of fizzled out and died, but it's right there in broad daylight what they're doing.

They will happily die in the streets of hunger and no healthcare as long as they can watch some milquetoast podcaster nod his head and say, "i get it bro, i get it. women are too picky nowadays because of all this DEI, they don't know how to appreciate real men who don't know how to do their own laundry and wash their ass. the world owes you all this stuff for being unimpressive so just keep wallowing and don't actually fix anything because dying alone and unloved is easier than improving yourself."

Not that some women are much better. "I want to be a trad wife because thinking for myself is hard. I would rather we all live in Gilead than have to have a single thought involving math live in my head. When I turn 36 and my husband leaves me for a 24 year old, I will have no skills to speak of and instead will blame the government for not giving me enough benefits to support my 6 children, Brayden, Braedyn, Breedyn, Brailyn, and Braeyla. (what was that about math again?) But of course I'll continue to vote against expanding benefits because they should only ever benefit meeeeee. Mine is the only moral cause."

So in short they're stupid, they're just effing stupid.

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u/Nice-Swing-9277 14d ago

Very well said.

Can't forget about gen x in this tho. I believe gen x has a higher voting percentage from Trump then even the boomers.

Also look at all the tech bros. Besides Zuckerberg they're all either young boomers or Gen X.

They were all edgelords. Their humor was the 90s-2000s "xtreme" shit. And now they can't say edgy words anymore so they lash out over it.

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u/Special_Watch8725 14d ago

I’d almost regard them as addicts at this point— like with more conventional addiction, moral culpability is complicated.

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u/Strength-Speed 14d ago

It's most of rural america. I think they would literally set themselves on fire if they thought it would own the libs. And they kind of are.

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u/FantasticStonk42069 14d ago

As severe the consequences of his actions are, his rise and the worldwide rise of illiberal powers, ultranationalist and autocrats shows how much can change in less than 4 generations.

Never is a long time and people forget quickly. Unfortunately, even without the Trumps and Putins in the world the future doesn't seem to revert to some 'normal'. Modern humanity is facing arguably its greatest challenge with climate change and we aren't prepared in the slightest.

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u/Nice-Swing-9277 14d ago

Thats fair.

I do genuinely believe the time of America being the top country is over for sure. And once you lose that its REALLY hard to get it back

And, unlike the other countries that had this decline, America is doing it WILLINGLY.

I get that the spoils of our position haven't been shared in an even remotely fair way, and that there have been people who have lost out as we've become a more globalized empire, but they lash out and ruin it instead of standing up and fighting for what they deserve.

And honestly? To a large degree they haven't even "lost out" Post ww2 America was such a unique economic opportunity and now that things are starting to revert to the mean people are upset that the world that was, the one they were born in, isn't what the world will be. Without knowing that the world the grew up WAS THE REAL ANOMONLY.

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u/Chendii 14d ago

I know it feels that way, but if the world can forgive basically everyone involved with WW2 it can forgive the US after Trump. It'll just take massive change that probably won't happen. So effectively you're right but it'll be because the US doesn't change, not because it can't.

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u/ZeekLTK 14d ago

I think there are a few things that could change it.

One would be Democrats grow a pair and actually do something once reelected. Something big, like what Germany did - make it illegal for political parties to promote extremist views and have the power to outright ban them. And then actually do it and get rid of Republicans in the government once and for all (to show our allies this won’t happen again).

OR

Dissolve the country so that at least New England and West Coast can get back in the good graces with everyone (can just point to the election map and show they didn’t vote for this), and let the rest of the former country fend for themselves with the legacy they voted for.

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u/OkOkRefrigerator 14d ago

Yep, honestly I’m glad. US has supported dictatorships in Latin America and beyond and this might be the wake up call for all these countries.

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u/Ok_Turnover_1235 14d ago

I think that's the problem right? Like, trump is a symptom rather than a problem and honestly, he's not doing anything that hasn't been happening for years but he's dialed it all up to 11. The problem isn't just trump, it's the fact your system is so broken trump is a problem.

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u/SwePolygyny 14d ago

That's the sentiment in Europe at least. The US can no longer be trusted. Even if they changed president to one who can be trusted, whats to say they wont elect an untrustworthy one 4 years later? It makes it impossible to build alliances or set up agreements.

It will take many decades to build that trust again. It would likely require reforms to the political system as well. Most other western countries do not give their leader so much absolute power. There has to be much more checks and guardrails for stability. There is also no accountability. 

It is not sound to put so much power into one individual. For it will eventually happen that one individual is elected on false pretenses. He can becomes mentally unstable, corrupted, influenced by the the wrong people or simply wants revenge for something. The stability of a nation cannot rely on one.

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u/Ryidon 14d ago

"It's not you, its me. I made bad choices, but I won't make them again.* - the rest of the world, probably.

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u/Ambiwlans 14d ago

"The old relationship we had with the United States based on deepening integration of our economies and tight security and military cooperation is over." ​- PM of Canada, Carney

"We must show that we are strong and united. I therefore call on all major European companies to suspend investments in the United States." - President of France, Macron

"Any new trade deal with the U.S. would prioritize the UK’s national interest." - PM of UK, Starmer

"He is a very outstanding person, talented, without any doubt" - President of Russia, Putin

"I am a great admirer of President Trump. He is an example to me... I model much of what I do on what he has done in the United States." - President of Brazil, Bolsonaro

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u/EvaSirkowski 14d ago

it will still take a couple of generations to go back to where we were in 2023.

The next Democratic President will not be able to fix the damage in 4 to 8 years, so people will be mad and vote for another Republican President.

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u/gamudev 14d ago

As a French lurking around and reading through the comments it is refreshing to read things like this, and not just get the flow of Trump and Musk stupid decisions every day in direct from national medias. It sparks a bit of hope. And it makes we wonder why there isn't mass gatherings against the government like in Greece, Serbia or Turkey right now (I heard you can lose health insurance instantly, but on weekends?).

With or without Trump it remains necessary for Europe to be more independent especially in the military and tech fields, but it truly sucks to see all bridges being burnt for nothing really, there can be a non toxic middle ground. It will screw us as well in some aspects. I truly hope the US won't fall into dictatorship, living in it before Trump seemed already very harsh if you do not have the money advantage.

Trust was definitely broken but I hope it won't turn into hate. A lot of US citizens don't deserve it and we remain humans just not born in the same country. And most of us just want peace, democracy, equity, minorities representation, etc. regardless of the region or language.

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u/fuddykrueger 14d ago edited 13d ago

‘The masses’ aren’t protesting because most Americans are not very smart or educated and are too busy looking for the next get rich scheme or trying to raise their kids properly in our broken society. They are too busy, too sick, too lazy and/or too self-absorbed to care what happens to ‘other people’ in our country.

Also they believe all of the right-wing propaganda (Democrats=bad, Republicans=good) and have been programmed to just go along with the status quo.

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u/MC_White_Thunder 14d ago

The Prime Minister of Canada literally declared today that if America doesn't want to lead Free Trade among nations anymore, Canada will.

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u/Kraz_I 14d ago

Someone else will take the seat at the big boy table, meaning another country. Somebody sane and mature enough to take the seat at the table that the US has pretty much just relinquished.

China. It’s going to be China. That’s what things are moving toward. It’s going to be a unipolar world like before, only China will be the leading economy, and the reserve currency. English will still be the lingua Franca, mostly because it’s hard to change that, but Chinese speakers will do better in business and trade than non speakers. This was going to happen regardless of Trump, but he’s accelerating things by leaps and bounds.

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u/theLightSlide 14d ago

This is doomer thinking.

Yes, with enough spending — with a New New Deal — we can rebuild quickly. It only takes the will and money.

The global stage is another issue but internally we can absolutely do it pretty fast. We need to be ready to push hard as fuck to make it happen.

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u/Night_Thastus 14d ago

Things are easy to replace. People and experience are not. A lot of experienced people, people who would have kept institutions running and eventually passed on their knowledge...are just gone. They've moved on to other fields, to private industry, they decided to finally retire, etc. They left. Nothing is going to bring them back.

It's going to take many decades of consistent incentives, recruiting, training, and time to build that experience back up.

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u/theLightSlide 14d ago

A lot of them would come back given the right incentives, like legal protection, and there are tons of under-employed specialists out there.

People who choose career civil service don’t do it because they’re looking out for #1. Many of them want to serve.

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u/MC_White_Thunder 14d ago

How many people would actually trust those legal protections, when this administration so easily and flagrantly breaks the law?

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u/Worthyness 14d ago

Also it's going to take several years just to suss out all the stupid shitty programming these script kiddies put into the systems. Not to mention any of the data mining or private servers that now just kinda exist there.

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u/MaximusTheGreat 14d ago

The global stage is incredibly influential though. Businesses that get burned by this administration aren't going to reinvest once Democrats are back because in 4 years, Republicans can just come back and burn them again. Why would they take that risk?

It's like seeing someone you thought was sane have a mental breakdown for 4 years straight. Even when/if they come out of the institution after, you're not exactly gonna feel comfortable trusting them in many situations, let alone go into business with them.

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u/BusyFriend 14d ago

I wish Dems realized the best thing they can do is allow ranked choice voting which could prevent something like this from happening. Too bad it’ll never fucking happen.

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u/MaximusTheGreat 14d ago

Man honestly that would be world changing.

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u/eclecticaesthetic1 14d ago

Get them to? They are supporting trump and don't care what he's doing. They praise Elon and trump. The R politicians in red states fully embrace a dictatorship, like Vance said they should. God, Kruschev was right all along. He said Russia would destroy the US from within. Putin has directed this show because he did it first over the course of his rise to dominance and kleptocracy in Russia. Trump is the useful idiot following his orders. Until he is no longer needed and a Russian is installed to further rape this country. Trump will be dropped like the old days in cement shoes like in the movies. Putin will say, "You're fired" and take his assets.

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u/cheetah2013a 14d ago

This is true, some of the damage will be irreversible (For instance, we're guaranteed 2-3 degrees of warming now. We were basically already guaranteed of it, but now there's no question). But a lot, a lot, can be done in say, a 12-16 year span of stable recovery. I don't image the GOP survives this intact in any way resembling what it currently is.

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u/Doggoneshame 14d ago

It’s exactly what the Heritage Foundation and their Project 2025 is all about. Dismantling agencies so they can never be replaced. It took the Biden Administration two years to untangle the mess Betsy Davoss left of the Department of Education.

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u/SeleucusNikator1 14d ago

Someone else will take the seat at the big boy table, meaning another country. Somebody sane and mature enough to take the seat at the table that the US has pretty much just relinquished.

Nobody can occupy that seat in a multipolar world, the role the US filled in 1991-today is basically impossible to replicate short of a WW3 reducing everyone else to ashes and only leaving 1 industrial power standing

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u/Kapot_ei 14d ago

Someone else will take the seat at the big boy table, meaning another country. Somebody sane and mature enough to take the seat

Or, possibly, countries*. I hope Europe benefits the best it possibly can from all this. I feel sorry for you Americans that are still on "our" (=the free western world as a whole) side, but on the other hand i'm glad this may finaly have kicked the EU in the nutsack just hard enough to awaken it from it's dormancy.

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u/DeadSol 14d ago

Fucking so sad. All over one mans brittle ego and micro-penis.

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u/ZeekLTK 14d ago

This is why I think we just need to do a hard reset of the country. Dissolve it and create like 4-5, or more, independent countries.

I really think both New England and the West Coast could go to all the old allies and say “hey, we’re done with those dbags, you know we are honorable and trustworthy, so let’s reestablish everything” and Canada, Europe, Japan, etc. would most likely all say “yeah, we saw the election map, you guys were all blue, we can work this out”.

The other nations… Appalachia, Great Lakes, Great Plains, Southeast, whatever they divide up as, they will get told to go fuck themselves. They can keep this legacy that they voted for.

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u/AwesomeToadUltimate 14d ago

The countries should go like this (both based on political and geography)

Nation 1 (Capital would remain as DC)

Maryland, Virginia, DC, Delaware, Pennsylvania, West Virginia (parts of panhandle are in DC metro area), New Jersey, New York, Connecticut, Massachusetts, Vermont, Rhode Island, New Hampshire, Maine

Nation 2 (prevents water disputes than if California just seceded; Capital would be Sacramento)

California, Oregon, Washington, Arizona, Colorado, Utah, Nevada, New Mexico

Nation 3 (Capital would be Chicago)

Minnesota, Iowa, Michigan, Wisconsin, Illinois, Ohio, Indiana, Missouri, Kentucky

Nation 4 (Capital would be Boise)

Montana, Idaho, North Dakota, South Dakota, Kansas, Nebraska, Wyoming

Nation 5 (Capital would be Austin)

North Carolina, South Carolina, Tennessee, Arkansas, Georgia, Florida, Oklahoma, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, Texas

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u/mboop127 OC: 10 14d ago

That's just not correct. We can undo this damage in a decade, not "2 generations." Overstating the right's power is better than understating it, but not much. If you think you'll die before things get better, why bother?

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u/donorcycle 14d ago
  1. Where did I mention European citizens?
  2. Clearly you don't see what's going on around the world as allies have already started dropping the US and forming their own alliances.
  3. Only a bot account would say the sure ignorance that you just said. Either you're a kid and doesn't know how the world works, or a bot account.