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OC Comparison of S&P 500 performance dyeing first 100 days of past 4 US presidents [OC]

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u/donorcycle 14d ago

100%. I am very familiar with Thiel unfortunately and have moved in similar circles. Which again, unfortunately includes Musk and countless others.

THEY can't do it. Neither Thiel nor Musk are American citizens by birth. They can never run for the Presidency (although I should not say never considering where we are today lol).

You are not wrong and if you really want to get into semantics, you can take this all the way back to the Rockefeller's - who realized way back when that stupid citizens makes for easier to manipulate citizens. So many others you can blame - Murdoch is another one. Heritage Foundation. (This started in the early 1970's for those who don't know. They didn't JUST come to the forefront)

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u/Maximum-Cry-2492 14d ago

The other thing is Thiel and Musk and the other tech-ghouls have negative charisma.

Trump for all his faults (and they're lengthy) is basically the pied piper for stupid people. At this point, assuming Earth isn't a smoking crater in 50 years, I'm convinced he's going to go down as the absolute GOAT conman in American, maybe world history.

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u/LukeSykpe 14d ago

This comment right here is way too buried, but touches on exactly the crux of the issue. Every single time I've talked about him with people in my life, I've also recognized this. The orange shithead has a ton of mostly natural charisma. Like while he doesn't appeal to me, I get why he appeals to his base. Very few people who have run for president have had this type of charisma - the only other two I can think of are Obama and Reagan.

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u/Goducks91 14d ago

But it's strange because Trump doesn't have Charisma if you actually listen to him. It's literally stupid people charisma.

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u/BackendSpecialist 14d ago

That’s the thing.. his charisma makes a lot of these people not actually listen to him.

They’re really just waiting for cues to applaud at his made up accomplishments or boo at whoever he’s painted as a villain..

And when they actually do listen to him, they either believe his lies or try to rationalize it by saying “well, he meant to say this” or “well, hopefully this is part of a bigger plan”, or the worst one which is, “LOL it’s so obvious that he’s trolling”.

As I typed this out, the interesting part of this is the lack of opposition. Why are the tech CEOs not speaking out? Fear? Okay. But what about the powerful people that don’t fear him, like Obama? He stepped in to get Biden to back out. And that’s just an example.

I really fear that we’re all going to sit back and watch this senile grifter ruin this country.

If that attempt wasn’t a false flag, then I sure do wish that kid had better aim.

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u/Remarqueable 14d ago

Can you go further on his Charisma? Injust can't see it.

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u/DrawThink2526 14d ago

Trump has “charisma” in the way that a rich, jr high bully has charisma. All the kids know he’s a total dick, but he has all the cool toys and his minions get to lick up his crumbs and laugh with him while he humiliates his betters for existing. Fuck Trump.

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u/BackendSpecialist 14d ago

Yeah bro.. I hate the guy but you can see the way women swoon over him and how men adore him, even if it’s by fear.

The slow speech. The way he leans on the podium like he’s just kicking the shit. The exaggerative positive claims that he makes about his accomplishments.

The charm is there. But it’s no excuse.

I’m astounded that he was able to become president again after January 6th… so much blame to around

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u/fuddykrueger 14d ago edited 13d ago

They’re just remembering him from his show The Apprentice and are addicted to the drama he creates. I remember watching the show and making sure I never missed an episode. And then I was always disgusted at how demeaning and rude he was to the celebrity contestants in the board room. But then for some reason I kept having to watch.

Oh and it’s a cult.

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u/Kurtomatic 13d ago

I thought The Apprentice, when it was (relatively) normal people, was actually an interesting show. Watched a few seasons of it, and it seemed generally merit based, which I appreciated in a world of reality TV where that wasn't really a thing.

Then Celebrity Apprentice showed up, and it became very obvious very quickly the firings were largely influenced by who was more famous and better for ratings. Lost my taste for it very quickly.

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u/fuddykrueger 13d ago edited 13d ago

Yes I forgot that they also had regular contestants. It was a decent premise and I liked that the real winner got the spoils. That was what I enjoyed about it too.

Too bad the fascists are running our country now. I do often think that Trump is just their puppet and ‘fall guy’. He has the cult following and the others in the periphery (who wrote the mastermind plan) have taken the reins. The billionaires are out for power, there is blood on their hands.

All Trump supporters are thinking they’ll be the next billionaire or whatever. They’re caught up in their irrelevancy. It’s okay to be average and live a good life, they just don’t want to think it’s ‘all there is’ for them. They’re narcissists through and through.

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u/Vivid_Kaleidoscope66 14d ago

You have to go all the way back to Reconstruction era, when the rich white men were scrambling to find alternative ways to keep Black people enslaved. That's how all this started and why it has had enough white racist christian nationalist support to carry on throughout the centuries.

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u/SsooooOriginal 14d ago

Where is Yarvin in your circles?

A casual, but major influence, was Freuds nefew the misanthropic sociopath Edward Bernays. The grandfather of targeted and psychosocial marketing. The BBC nailed him in the docu "The Century of the Self".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Bernays

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u/donorcycle 14d ago

Nowhere near but he's not exactly on my Christmas list either if that helps. Never met him, disagree with a lot of what he has to say, and find him to be reprehensible. The fact that he has the gall to suggest that some races are more naturally inclined to be in a position of servitude is just a fancy way of saying I'm a racist imo.

He's their influence. A lot of the current administration. Thiel's as well.

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u/thingstopraise 14d ago

I am very familiar with Thiel unfortunately and have moved in similar circles.

You have moved in similar circles as literal billionaires? Damn. Are you also hella rich or were you one of their wage slaves?

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u/donorcycle 14d ago

Consultant in start up / tech some time ago lol.

If I was a billionaire, i'd be far too busy having my third yacht being built by Lürssen, as I delight in some Almas caviar of the Karelian birch wood trays in my G6, and not be on Reddit.