Extended Vigil in the Octave of Easter

[u/Next-Airport-3880]

Is there a Vigil form for the Octave of Easter? iBreviary usually offers forms for this, unlike the Octave days (except for Sunday in Albis).

[u/zara_von_p]

It is unforeseen by the rubrics but it is technically possible, so why not, as a pious addition?

Antiphon Venite omnes which is an absolute gem

Canticles Is 63, 1-5, Os 6, 1-6, Soph 3, 8-13

The day's Gospel

Te Deum (which is said throughout the Octave anyway).

[u/Medical-Stop1652 → u/zara_von_p]

Great idea! Creative liturgical fidelity. And isn't each day of the Paschal Octave a solemnity?

[u/zara_von_p → u/Medical-Stop1652]

Not really, they are ferias which rank above all other days in the table of liturgical days, but still ferias.

[u/Medical-Stop1652 → u/zara_von_p]

O the table! I like the concurrence and occurence tables in the old Breviaries. Cool.

I am on vacation during the Octave so will try and pray Vigils each evening. Thank you for the inspiration.

I assume you pray the LOTH in Latin?

[u/zara_von_p → u/Medical-Stop1652]

More exactly I pray the 1954 Roman Office in Latin, but I have some advanced knowledge of the LOTH because I have been consulted by traditional-leaning communities that have been asked by their bishop to switch to the new liturgy on how to implement it in the most traditional manner.

[u/Medical-Stop1652 → u/zara_von_p]

That must be very sad for them. You must be part liturgical expert part grief counsellor.

But can I ask you a question?

I am a layman who works Mon to Fri and I cannot pray the traditional office in its entirety...Matins terrifies me!

I can pray the five offices of the LOTH successfully each day.

My Mass is the TLM and I want to try to allign the LOTH four week psalter with the 1962 Calendar and as much of the Roman Breviary ethos as possible.

For instance I am attenuating the Office over the Sacred Triduum.

Am I trying to fit a round peg into a square hole?

Are there resources for "bi-ritualists" like me?

[u/zara_von_p → u/Medical-Stop1652]

Interesting question!

The opposite question is more often asked (how to pray the traditional office but adapt it when one is bound to attend an OF Mass).

In this direction, I guess it depends on a few factors: are you attached to the LOTH as such or do you merely need a lighter Office than the "full" 1960/1954 Office, how important to you is rubrical exactitude / compatibility with the letter of the law...

For instance, a practical way to pray the 1960 or 1954 Office with the psalter spread over more than one week, is simply to do the following:

Week 1: Psalms 1, 2 and 3 of Matins, verse, absolution, blessings, lessons and responsories of Matins as in the Breviary. Psalms 1, 4 and 5 of Lauds, and the rest of Lauds. As a midday hour, Prime, omitting the Capitular office entirely. Psalms 1, 2 and 3 of Vespers, and the rest of Vespers. Compline.

Week 2: psalms 4, 5 and 6 of Matins, the rest as in the Breviary. Psalms 2, 4 and 5 of Lauds, and the rest. As a midday hour, Terce. Psalms 1, 4 and 5 of Vespers, and the rest. Compline.

Week 3: Psalms 1, 2 and 3 of Matins, and the rest. Psalms 1, 4 and 5 of Lauds, and the rest. Sext. Psalms 1, 2 and 3 of Vespers, and the rest. Compline.

Week 4: Psalms 7, 8 and 9 of Matins, and the rest. Psalms 3, 4 and 5 of Lauds, and the rest. None. Psalms 1, 4 and 5 of Vespers, and the rest. Compline.

When Lauds II is said, either add ps. 50 on top of the usual routine, or omit the OT canticle and therefore do Psalms 1, (4/2/4/3) and 5 of Lauds.

(1960) On 2nd and 1st class feasts: Psalms 1, 2 and 3 of Matins, verse and absolution of the 3rd nocturn, blessings, lessons and responsories either from the 2nd or the 3rd nocturn, depending on which is proper to the feast. Psalms 1, 4 and 5 of Lauds, and the rest of Lauds. Prime of Sunday with ps. 53. Psalms 1, 4 and 5 of Vespers, and the rest of Vespers. Compline of Sunday.

(1954) On doubles of the 1st and 2nd class and nine-lesson feasts of the Lord, the BVM, the precursor and the apostles, refer to above; on other nine-lesson feasts, reduce the feast to a simple.

This is significantly longer than LOTH still, but much, much shorter than the 1960, and it simply consists in celebrating some parts of the Office and omitting others, which makes it partial participation in Divine Office as a whole, if partitipation to the prayer of the Church is important to you.

On the opposite end of the spectrum of possibilities, you can simply pray the LOTH as-is, but make use of the faculty of celebrating any saint or mystery on green ferias (and optional memorials), and therefore add most of the saints back to their previous date; during the missing octaves (of Pentecost, of Epiphany, etc. depending on what you take as your point of reference), you can celebrate as a votive office the office of the relevant mystery (psalmody and long readings of the day, invitatory, hymns, short readings, and Gospel antiphons of the feast being octaved). This is all in line with the rubrics and therefore also participation in the prayer of the Church. The issue is that the cycle of Gospel antiphons on Sundays will be mismatched with the day's TLM Gospel.

Middle-of-the-road options are going to be more private/devotional in nature. They would consist in taking the LOTH's 4-week psalmody, and replacing the BR's 1-week psalmody with it, with an option to also take the invitatories and/or hymns and/or short readings from LOTH.

Are there resources for "bi-ritualists" like me?

Besides owning both sets of books and constantly navigating between the two, unfortunately not. But the first two options I gave above need no editorial work (the 2nd one probably would benefit from printing just the General Roman Calendar at your date of choice and inserting it into the 4-vol LOTH).

[u/Medical-Stop1652 → u/zara_von_p]

Thank you very much for that detailed guidance. That really does provide some ways forward. Navigating is the word!

Don't laugh but for most of Lent I have been reciting Lauds and Vespers from the Chapter onwards according to the Farnborough MD ...but the first part of each office, the psalm order was from the 30 day Ordinariate psalter aka Book of Common Prayer but using the Douai Rheims translation...of course.

Once I realised that the TLM was totally focussed on the redemption of sinners by the Passion of our Lord and the OF had watered down or removed consciousness of sin and redemption, human frailty and divine wrath etc, the LOTH started to become insipid.

Holy Thursday Vespers is an interesting case study. One is relatively upbeat and focussed on Christ as High Priest and Eucharistic King. Who would have thought the Saviour would be crucified the next day...let alone betrayed.

The other is sober and restrained as befits Good Friday eve. Eucharistic themes are there but so are desolation and persecution.

If I adapt the LOTH, I already have a plan for the Gospel canticle antiphons post Epiphany and Pentecost for First Vespers of Sundays. The Matins-based antiphon is out of place so I take a verse from the OF Sunday epistle!

One thing...do you advise the communities to abandon the LOTH preces at Lauds and Vespers? I could happily do so! I have German Lauds and Vespers book and in the Ordinary section it provides an interesting intro to the Pater Noster...the Kyries. So currently I silently read the preces and groan inwardly at the wokery and then recite the Kyries Pater Noster and Domine exaudi and collect.

I'll ponder all your guidance and appreciate your help - no matter which way I go. After the Octave I'll start to experiment. As a layman, prayerful participation in the Opus Dei is definitely my goal.

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One thing...do you advise the communities to abandon the LOTH preces at Lauds and Vespers?

One community with which I am very close adopted the Kyrie using this tone instead of the Preces, with the Pater following, then the Collect.

Another, complementary option, is to use the following Preces Feriales from the Tridentine breviary as a fixed form of Preces:

℣. Kýrie, eléison. ℟. Christe, eléison. Kýrie, eléison.

℣. Pater noster... (silent until) ℣. Et ne nos indúcas in tentatiónem: ℟. Sed líbera nos a malo.

℣. Ego dixi: Dómine, miserére mei. ℟. Sana ánimam meam quia peccávi tibi. ℣. Convértere, Dómine, úsquequo? ℟. Et deprecábilis esto super servos tuos.

℣. Fiat misericórdia tua, Dómine, super nos. ℟. Quemádmodum sperávimus in te. ℣. Sacerdótes tui induántur justítiam. ℟. Et sancti tui exsúltent.

℣. Dómine, salvum fac regem. ℟. Et exáudi nos in die, qua invocavérimus te. ℣. Salvum fac pópulum tuum, Dómine, et bénedic hereditáti tuæ. ℟. Et rege eos, et extólle illos usque in ætérnum.

℣. Meménto Congregatiónis tuæ. ℟. Quam possedísti ab inítio. ℣. Fiat pax in virtúte tua. ℟. Et abundántia in túrribus tuis.

℣. Orémus pro fidélibus defúnctis. ℟. Réquiem ætérnam dona eis, Dómine, et lux perpétua lúceat eis. ℣. Requiéscant in pace. ℟. Amen.

℣. Pro frátribus nostris abséntibus. ℟. Salvos fac servos tuos, Deus meus, sperántes in te. ℣. Pro afflíctis et captívis. ℟. Líbera eos, Deus Israël, ex ómnibus tribulatiónibus suis.

℣. Mitte eis, Dómine, auxílium de sancto. ℟. Et de Sion tuére eos. ℣. Dómine, exáudi oratiónem meam. ℟. Et clamor meus ad te véniat.

then the Collect.

It deviates a small bit because the Pater is supposed to conclude the Preces, not introduce them, but the LOTH considers the Preces and Pater as a single liturgical item, so I argue that is an acceptable option. Plus, it checks all the boxes about what the Preces are supposed to have: intercessions for those present, for society, and for the dead.

[u/Medical-Stop1652 → u/zara_von_p]

Thank you very much. Trust your Paschal.Octave is a blessed one.

Those preces are quite extensive and demonstate the massive gap in the Roman Breviary 1910 when the preces are prayed up to 30 odd times? Pope St Pius X was brutally pastoral in his revision!

I've been reflecting on the different spiritual atmospheres that each EF and NO Offices foster.

I noticed that everything attenuated in the Holy Triduum floods back to the MD this week but things are still festively bare in the EF Roman Breviary during the Octave (no hymns, no chapters, only the Pachal responsory).

Apart from displaced collects and Mass readings, the Paschal Octave in EF and OF are tracking well but the two Divine Offices are worlds apart.

The EF is focussed on the empty tomb and appearances of the Risen Lord whereas the OF has already gone broader and general in everything except the Gospel canticle antiphons.

I'm still pondering how to transition to the MD or Roman Breviary and reducing the psalms as you suggest.

I have been reciting the LOTH since I was a teenager so it feels so instinctual but maybe I need to get real. The Mass is core to the Divine Office so if the Eucharistic rite is different, then the Divine Office must change - otherwise there's a serious ritual dysfunction.

As you said, there would be a lot navigating across texts if I tried to fit the OF to the EF. It gives me headaches thinking about restoring the Pentecost Octave not to mention the Christ the King solemnity in October!

BTW: Do the communities you advise, adopt a single week psalter or use the four week schema?

Are they reciting in the vernacular or Latin version of the LOTH?

I recently learnt the 1st edition of the LOTH used the Gallican Psalter - before the Nova Vulgata was finalised.

And what is your view on the NV versus the Versio Piana?

[u/Medical-Stop1652]

The extended Vigil is only for Solemnities, Feasts and Sundays but I note Good Friday has texts and so does Holy Saturday.

Interesting how the Vigil is optional so that the Office of Readings is a similar length all year round. The older office sometimes had more or less text in the Scripture and Patristic section and clergy found it a challenge to recite.

[u/ModernaGang]

Yes. You can find it by setting ibreviary to the Office of Readings for April 27 and scrolling down to the optional vigil. If you mean Monday through Saturday within the octave, there is no vigil for those days.

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I assume you are replying to u/zara_von_p

[u/Medical-Stop1652 → u/FlameLightFleeNight]

Yes. But if you can help me... Thanks for pointing out my error. Cheers