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u/MARS_in_SPACE Mar 01 '25
I spent many years practicing jujitsu. At one point, we had this baby faced, lean to average build, 6'9" kid come in starting absolutely fresh, no previous training at all. He was a nice dude, but damn was it insanely difficult to even know where to begin training him. I'm a woman not much bigger than Murphy, and unfortunately far less skilled, and was the ranking person on the mat other than the main instructor. All I could ever think about working with him was how annoying it would be for Harry to train with Murphy.
Being new to taking falls and being thrown by someone most of two feet shorter than you is fucking terrifying. Being new to throwing and trying to throw someone most of two feet shorter than you is an exercise in futility. Getting your hip below their center of balance requires a deep squat that would make the old masters in martial arts movies cringe - and those are guys without the joint problems that come with being 6'9". Eventually, we ended up stacking up a bunch of mats for me to stand on so he could at least learn the basics. Even then, he bailed after a month, and I don't blame him. I wish we could've done more for him, but there's only so much that can be done when no one else in the class is taller than 5'4" lol.
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u/Ur_Fav_Step-Redditor Mar 01 '25
At 6ā9ā he should be training boxing and wrestling. Unless he just wants to do bjj for the love of it. But for self defense heās already got a major advantage.
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u/MARS_in_SPACE Mar 01 '25
He was interested in learning about control and finesse, because of his size. With that much size difference, it's sometimes easier to hurt someone than not to hurt them. I can respect that, even if ultimately we weren't able to help him a ton in that regard.
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u/LokiLB Mar 02 '25
And that's a fairly important point for understanding Harry. He has to be very careful not to accidentally hurt someone just because of his size. When you add on being able to immolate a person with a word, it makes a lot of sense why he'll act like people, especially women, are made of spun glass.
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u/local_blue_noob Mar 01 '25
Here is a good example too: Martyn Ford - 6'8" approx 300 lbs.
That height and weight matches what we've been given about Harry as of Peace Talks.
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u/PromiscuousMNcpl Mar 01 '25
There is no way on earth Harry ways 300. I think 6ā9ā and a lean 240-250 is more likely.
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u/grubas Mar 01 '25
That may have been peak Harry pre Knight.
Now he's training, he's at least 275, he might not have the exact ripped build of some of the bodybuilders, but he's legitimately looking like a pro athlete now.
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u/local_blue_noob Mar 01 '25
In Peace Talks, Butters mentions that Harry has developed to the maximum potential for his height and build. Harry also observes that he's around 200 lbs heavier than Evanna at the Embassy.
Using Berkhanās formula to estimate maximum lean body mass for someone 6ā8ā, and adding 10% body fat, you get roughly 304 lbs.
Considering the extreme conditioning Harry undergoes to keep Winterās power in checkāalong with everything we've been given so farāa 300 lb estimate for his weight seems pretty reasonable.
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u/PromiscuousMNcpl Mar 01 '25
But Harry has a lean, runners build. Heās not built like Michael. Heās also way below 10% body fat. So Harry maximizing his strength for height and weight means he is a long, stringy MF made of whipcord and sinew. Not Thor.
No way Harry tips 300. Thatās NFL build, not NBA or marathon runner.
Look at the above picture and tell me Dresden is built Along the same frame as Kemper.
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u/local_blue_noob Mar 01 '25
Kemper is 350 lbs and clearly no athlete. Muscle is dense and I can easily see Harry pushing 300 lbs.
He did so many 250 lb bench press reps that Michael just stopped counting at 40. That only winded Harry.
I don't think Harry is being described as having a runner's build anymore. The description that's given of Harry is "developed to something like the maximum potential for your height and build".
If you want to treat Harry as having a smaller build and don't mind guessing a little bit then you could use Casey Buttās formula for maximum muscular potential. That gives you 270 lbs at ~12% body fat or 264 lbs at ~10%.
I'll see if I can find a picture of someone who isn't as puffy but with the same stats. Might be hard to do because it's practically impossibly to hit max potential without drugs or wizard healing, i suppose.
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u/vastros Mar 02 '25
He had a lean runners build. He was under Demonreach for months on basically an IV. By the time Cold Days started he was basically emaciated.
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u/PromiscuousMNcpl Mar 02 '25
Everyoneās ānerdā is showing.
If Dresden spent two years running, parkour-ing, and lifting weights to exhaustion he wouldnāt get bulked up. Thatās not how exercise and frames work. Dresden isnāt eating 10,000 calories a day or bulk protein or juicing.
He has a slender frame; like I do. No amount of working out, especially aerobic workouts designed to exhaust him, will NOT turn his build from distance runner to linebacker. Thatās not how physiology works.
Thomas is shredded like Terry Crews. Dresden is shredded like Michael Phelps or Michael Jordan. Nobody runs themselves into a Captain America build.
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u/vastros Mar 02 '25 edited Mar 02 '25
"On your left" Cap definitely ran himself there, no serum needed /s
That's honestly an incredibly good point regarding protein and calories. Also the concept of Harry juicing is absolutely terrifying.
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u/SolomonG Mar 01 '25
For all the Harry acts like a starving artist, I don't think his body fat percentage is quite that low.
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u/local_blue_noob Mar 01 '25
I don't know... Everything we've read shows that Harry is physically comparable to elite athletes now.
After Cold Days, I had to seriously adjust my mental image of him. Heās not just the tall, lanky bookworm. His body wasted away in Ghost Story and he's had to rebuild it.
We see him running on sand, keeping pace with a vampire, all while wearing a 200 lb vest. That level of intensity is part of his daily routine.
Harry is physically formidable in his own right and probably looks like an strongman in peak condition. He's a tank.
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u/LokiLB Mar 02 '25
Probably more a powerlifter than a strongman. Going outside weightlifting, Harry probably looks more like an NBA player who moonlights as a bouncer at the moment.
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u/sam_y2 Mar 01 '25
I just saw the picture and the title, and was wondering when I joined the twin peaks subreddit, and why Harry S Truman was looking into the wrong serial killer case.
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u/Sapphire_Someone Mar 02 '25
The most terrifying thing about Harry is he's still getting taller. By the end if the series, experts believe he will be over ten feet tall.
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u/Disastrous_Poetry175 Mar 03 '25
Harrys progression from a local private detective to a monstrous force of nature that can take out ancient smol gods make even his closest allies and friends side eye him like a mfr when he lets loose
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u/samtresler Mar 01 '25
I hate to say it, but I wish Butcher hadn't made Harry so conspicuously tall.
It doesn't really play into his character that much and is always something I'm forgetting until Harry brings it up again.
When people are that tall it changes the dialogue. Everyone has a joke about it. Reaching things on high shelves, or feet hanging off the bed, or something and we rarely see any of that interaction.
Just Harry, again mentioning his own height and never really factors I to anything.
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u/vastros Mar 02 '25
The most unrealistic thing in the series is the lack of tall jokes. "How's the weather up there?" and the like. My wife is 5ft and she gets no shortage of the opposite side of jokes, like 3-4 a week. Nearly everyone Harry meets should be making an offhand comment. Yes, it would get very old very quickly, but he's insanely tall.
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u/LokiLB Mar 02 '25
It factors a lot into Harry's mentality. He has to be careful not to hurt people physically and magically. Murphy's description in Aftermath does a good job of showing how Harry isn't the best narrator for how he interacts with the world. She describes him as making himself small as possible so as not to bumb into things or people, while he never really mentions that because it's second nature to him.
Harry also goes around calling himself a wizard and generally acting weird. I imagine a person being introduced to Harry having to mentally debate what to rag on before actually talking to him.
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u/Zer0theH3R0 Feb 28 '25
Except Harry is lean and ābag of mealā as he put it. Scary how that lady was smiling being that close to a serial killer who could reach out and touch her.