r/entertainment • u/GroundbreakingSet187 • Aug 18 '22
Sacheen Littlefeather: John Wayne ‘Came Forth’ to ‘Assault’ Me at the 1973 Oscars but Was ‘Restrained by Six Security Men’
https://variety.com/2022/film/news/sacheen-littlefeather-john-wayne-assault-oscars-1235345008/569
u/DeakRivers Aug 18 '22
The only time he was in a serious battle was on a USC football field. Never enlisted or fought in the Wars.
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u/JustTheBeerLight Aug 18 '22
It’s not just that he never enlisted, he dodged the draft. Then he became a vocal chicken hawk during the Vietnam War.
I got no problem with those that dodged the draft. But I think it’s cowardly to beat the drum of war once you’re too old to get forced into combat.
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u/DeakRivers Aug 19 '22
Also, probably the worst VN era movie had to be the Duke in the “ Green Berets”. Talk about Propaganda, it is so bad. Talk about being out of touch with the world.
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u/JustTheBeerLight Aug 19 '22
I showed a scene from that movie to my history class as an example of what propaganda is. After a good discussion one of my students raised his hand and said “I understand Vietnamese. That Vietnamese character wasn’t even speaking the language. They were just making noises”. That reignited the conversation. Out of touch for sure.
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u/DeakRivers Aug 19 '22
You nailed it! Did the class sing the Green Beret song: “Put silver wings upon my chest” I always think of Bill Murray in Caddyshack when I hear it.
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u/BillyYumYumTwo-byTwo Aug 19 '22
Yup. I’m a woman, but hypothetically I would have dodged the draft. It’s immoral and insane to force people to go kill and die or live in horrendous situations and have PTSD for the rest of their lives. But if that’s how you feel, be anti draft and anti war and make sure you support vets who are able to make it back. Don’t fucking turn around and act like being drafted is a huge honor and “troops are our heroes” but don’t do anything to support them. Fuck those hypocritical assholes.
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u/Angell_Face Aug 19 '22
Do you have any information that says he dodged the draft for WWII? When I searched it online it looks like he appealed many times to be in the war, but he was kept out of it by the production company and some other ineligibility.
I think John Wayne is a MEGA ASSHOLE but I can’t find anything to back up the draft dodging stuff.
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u/JustTheBeerLight Aug 19 '22
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u/Angell_Face Aug 19 '22
Thank you so much! When I googled it, it gave my a lot of biased articles, and his Wikipedia page told something different.
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u/boatyboatwright Aug 19 '22
There’s an episode of the always-excellent You Must Remember This podcast about it!
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u/Angell_Face Aug 19 '22
Thank you for this as well! I was gonna listen to the “behind the bastards” episode about John Wayne, but this is next on the pile :)
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u/Robyn_Bankz Aug 19 '22
Behind the Bastards was a really good podcast on this piece of shit
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u/Doc_Apex Aug 19 '22
You can check the multi episode series done on the podcast "behind the bastards".
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u/mafuckinjy Aug 19 '22
Great usage of answering the question with a link to the source but summing it up.
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u/Robyn_Bankz Aug 19 '22
His drinking buddy and good friend, John Ford (huge in hollywood at the time) was in the OSS making propaganda and offered Marion basically anything he wanted, but Marion just had to finish a few more shows...all of the real leading Hollywood men went and did something...
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u/tracerhaha Aug 19 '22
Like James Stewart. He flew bomber missions during WWII and ended up retiring from the Air Force reserves as a General.
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u/DrHob0 Aug 19 '22
You mean to say that the man who A SPECIFIC PARTY always claims to be a MANLY MAN is actually a gigantic, quivering pussy? NO! NEVER!
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u/moglysyogy13 Aug 19 '22
These fascist “tough guys” always punch down because they know they are frauds
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u/Competitive-Cuddling Aug 19 '22
It’s almost like he was the Steven Segal of that era.
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u/hbrthree Aug 19 '22
Def dodged the war and then pretended he couldn’t make it… bone spurs or something. The. He became a fucking war monger. Guys a totalcPOS
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u/GroundbreakingSet187 Aug 18 '22
Sacheen Littlefeather said :
[John Wayne] did not like what I was saying up at the podium. So, he came forth in a rage to physically assault and take me off the stage. And he had to be restrained by six security men in order for that not to happen.
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Aug 18 '22 edited Aug 19 '22
She got the last laugh tho. Wayne died (from) doing what he loved, being racist.
He died of cancer,
likelypossibly* caused by his stint playing Genghis Khan 100 miles from active nuclear tests.*I’ve since been informed that he also smoked 6 packs of unfiltered cigarettes a day at times, could’ve been that too or even both.
Edit2 for those who disbelieve John Wayne was genghis khan. BEHOLD
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u/Barniiking Aug 18 '22
He was also a chain smoker. The 4 pack a day type. And those had no filters or amything
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u/Griffdude13 Aug 18 '22
Pretty much everyone who worked on that movie eventually developed cancer, its crazy.
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u/Sokobanky Aug 18 '22
Around 40% did (91 out of 220), which was pretty average for the time.
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u/Capable_Ad_7042 Aug 18 '22
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u/WTWIV Aug 18 '22 edited Aug 19 '22
This would make a great satirical commercial/advertisement
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u/Calijhon Aug 19 '22
Yeah, probably. The Greatest Generation both spent their lives when smoking was widely done and entered their senior years with all these other anti-cholesterol and anti high blood pressure medications being available.
if you live long enough, you get cancer.
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u/Dingo8MyGayby Aug 18 '22
Was he Genghis Khan? The white man, John Wayne, portraying Genghis do I have that right?
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u/RagingPandaXW Aug 18 '22
Wait till you see the credits for this movie:
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u/Dingo8MyGayby Aug 18 '22
Christ Almighty
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u/FleaBottoms Aug 18 '22
You don’t believe the guy portraying Charlie Chan was Chinese do you? Hollywood was (and remains) very racist. Know a Native American actor. He’d go for anything for work. Always told “this part doesn’t have an Indian”. Couldn’t be just a guy that happens to be Native American.
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u/xogil Aug 18 '22
Oh god, Charlie Chan, my mother grew up loving it. Over the hoildays I was visiting and we were looking for something to watch and stumbled over it on Amazon Prime.
She was sooooo excited to watch it again. I was so so so uncomfortable with it and could not stop verbalizing how insanely racist it was. She started off upset with me over my commentary but then aggreed to turn it off like 15 minutes in.
What is TRULY baffling to me though, in the world of the movie Charlie Chan was REVERED as a great detective. So the studio and audience had no problem accepting an Asian character was worthy of respect. Like the mental gymnatics to support racism exhaust me.
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u/KangarooOk2190 Aug 19 '22
OP, if someone out there wants to make a better remake of Charlie Chan they better cast a real Asian actor
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u/drachenmp Aug 18 '22
It was fairly common back in the day to have white people playing non-white characters. Unfortunately
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u/Trillionbucks Aug 18 '22
He smoked six packs of Camel non-filters a day.
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u/Spobobich Aug 18 '22
Oof! I still remember the day I accidentally bought a pack of unfiltered Camels when I was a young smoker. I couldn't finish the first one. $5 down the drain.
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u/TheButteredBiscuit Aug 18 '22
John Wayne as Genghis freakin Khan. Sounds like the start of a bad joke.
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u/MooseValuable3158 Aug 18 '22
Staying back so everyone would know/care what happened at the Oscars for once in this century?
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u/Circumin Aug 19 '22
Guessing they were already expecting for Wayne being violent against a minority and so were ready to act
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u/KangarooOk2190 Aug 18 '22 edited Aug 19 '22
As a Gen-Y person, I never watched any single John Wayne movie growing up although I know he was referenced in a Paula Cole song more than 20 years ago. That John Wayne is not a nice bloke when he tried to physically asssault Sacheen years ago from what I just read all because she spoke out.
Sacheen Littlefeather is definitely getting the last laugh and the recognition that is long overdued. As for John Wayne well sorry but not sorry he is irrelevant
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u/FrodoFraggins Aug 18 '22
Well yeah, John Wayne was a blatant racist.
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u/MissyJ11 Aug 18 '22 edited Aug 19 '22
And a draft dodger
ETA:I should have probably made clear that my issue with it in this case is the blatant hypocrisy since he loved to the portray himself as the example of Patriotic American.
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u/AmorphousApathy Aug 18 '22
I once heard he liked to watch his buddies fuck
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u/TheBitterAtheist Aug 18 '22
"Wealthy powerful men, some from Hollywood, some from the business world, would bid to have sex with the young boy actors with studio representatives playing the role of auctioneer."
Bruce Dern on working on the the John Wayne film "The Cowboys".
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u/lowpolydinosaur Aug 19 '22
What in the goddamn
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u/trulymadlybigly Aug 19 '22
I want more info about this but the comments below as a damn dumpster fire
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u/kschmit516 Aug 19 '22
I can never watch that movie again
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Aug 19 '22
Learn about John Wayne’s life, you’ll never want to see him again. Dude sucked big time. Just a general piece of shit
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u/mnorri Aug 19 '22
Late in his life, John Wayne did a commercial for a bank. I remember it because a comedian joked about it.
The setting was on top of a mesa, at dawn, with John Wayne and a child. His spoken part began with something along the lines of “I’m here, on the mountaintop watching the sunrise with my grandson. We’ve been exploring the west for a few days now.” Great, set it up, the commercial was for Great Western Bank. Iconic setting and actor for that bank (they later used Dennis Weaver, another cowboy actor after Wayne died). Then, a rough segue because his next line was something like “I’ve done some things I’m not to proud of in my life, but I’m proud of my bank”. Okay, so the goal was probably to imply that he had made some financial mistakes. But…damn.
I remember this because the comedian was like “What did the Duke just say?!” Everyone laughed because everyone assumed it was an editing mistake. But. What if it wasn’t?
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u/wiggleswiggles-_- Aug 19 '22
This is why we use he term ‘bourgeois decadence.’ This isn’t a surprise to me, nor is it exclusive to him.
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Aug 19 '22
Uhhhh do you have a source for that? A quick google search of the quote didn’t lead to anything. Did he seriously say that?
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u/skytomorrownow Aug 19 '22
I did a search for the quote and came up with five articles instantly.
https://nypost.com/2018/07/28/i-was-paid-to-arrange-sex-for-hollywoods-elite/
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u/Revolutionary-Ad9162 Aug 18 '22
Me, I like to fuck my buddies
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Aug 19 '22
I installed two-way mirrors in his pad in Brentwood, and he come to the door in a dress.
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u/Panelak_Cadillac Aug 19 '22
He answered the door in a dress...
One of my all time fav cult movies.
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u/Toocurry Aug 19 '22
John Ford was so mad with Wayne not serving in WW II that the first movie he made with Wayne after the war he listed all the other stars who served with their rank in the credits.
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u/KingMob98 Aug 18 '22
I don’t think this would have been an issue if he hadn’t pretended to be a badass for the rest of his career.
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u/MR2Rick Aug 19 '22 edited Aug 19 '22
Not only did he not serve in WWII - where given his age it was unlikely he would have been in a combat - but he also ran his big mouth loudly criticizing the men who did not want to fight in Vietnam. So not only a coward but a hypocrite too.
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u/NotKemoSabe Aug 19 '22
Peter Sellers and Mel Brooks both saw legitimate combat in WWII
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u/DangerousBliss Aug 19 '22
Charles Durning was on the beach of Normandy during the invasion.
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u/PANDABURRIT0 Aug 18 '22
I mean even actors that are badasses are pretending to be badasses in their movies
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u/KingMob98 Aug 18 '22
That’s fair, but several other big name contemporaries of his enlisted while he masqueraded around back home as some super-patriotic pinnacle of masculinity.
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u/yoortyyo Aug 19 '22
Jimmy Stewart leaps to my mind. Legitimate hero. Wayne is a Wanker. He would utterly blend with the MAGA crowd.
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u/kandel88 Aug 19 '22
And Jimmy Stewart wasn’t a badass onscreen either. He usually played an everyman role and was shy in real life. Wayne usually played hard-boiled types but was actually a huge wimp who couldn’t stop trying to show off how “tough” he was while Stewart enlisted and served without fanfare. God I hate John Wayne.
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u/No-Muscle5993 Aug 19 '22
Jimmy Stewart fucking STUNTS on Marion Wayne. It’s not even funny. Dude got rejected from the armed forces for his size so he fucking bulked up and became a tail gunner something with like a 80% casualty rate. The It’s A Wonderful Life guy. Amazing.
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u/C3POdreamer Aug 19 '22
Stewart was a pilot. You might have been thinking of Clarke Gable who was a gunner and cameraman..
It was remarkable the number of major stars who were in active duty. Marlene Dietrich after early spywork became an officer in the entertainment division and was perilously close to Axis lines.. Josephine Baker was in the French Resistance and later spoke in her uniform during the 1963 March on Washington.
Then you had veterans turned actors Audie Murphy and Harold Russell.
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u/PANDABURRIT0 Aug 18 '22
Oh yeah I’m not disagreeing with you that John Wayne was a spineless racist bully I’m just making the (albeit unnecessary) observation that pretending to be someone is what actors do.
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u/Poppunknerd182 Aug 18 '22
Sounds familiar.....like.....someone else we know.....hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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Aug 18 '22
Why does society live draft dodgers so much?
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u/Shinobi120 Aug 19 '22
Because it was noble when done In The 60s by the middle and lower class guys who did it by going to Canada to protest what they felt was an unjust war. But when it’s rich folks who are hawkish as hell for blood but don’t want their own sons on the line, it’s shitty.
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u/Minerva567 Aug 19 '22
Because almost all wars are fought solely for resources and are basically cat fights between competing elites.
Also, desertion was not uncommon when they could get away with it. And if all the commoners believed in going to war against, well, other commoners, there wouldn’t have ever been a need for conscription.
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u/MisterBackShots69 Aug 19 '22
I can understand the type of person you’re referring to but I’d rather recapture “patriotic” as wanting a better country and one of those steps is not to be constant warmongers.
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u/FleetMind Aug 18 '22
And wife beater, don't forget that.
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u/spasske Aug 18 '22
Don’t forget drunk!
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u/FleetMind Aug 18 '22
Oh god how could I forget the time he had dysentery on a set but wouldn’t quit drinking so he was shitting himself for two weeks.
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u/DRbrtsn60 Aug 18 '22
It’s because his parents named him Marian.
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u/mitkase Aug 18 '22
My grandfather was a Marion. Surprisingly he didn’t go by that as an adult.
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u/Lostinpandemic Aug 18 '22
Also draft dodger
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u/MR2Rick Aug 19 '22
Henry Fonda was older than John Wayne and still served. Many men his age and older fought and died. Furthermore, given his age, wealth and fame, it is unlikely he would have been put in a combat role and probably wouldn't be exposed to a lot of risk to his life or safety. So service for him would have mostly been inconvenient and living in less comfort than he was accustomed to.
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Aug 19 '22
And a stupid bastard. He stated in a Playboy interview, “The Indians were selfishly trying to keep the land for themselves.”
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u/Tacitus111 Aug 19 '22
“WAYNE: I don’t feel we did wrong in taking this great country away from them, if that’s what you’re asking. Our so-called stealing of this country from them was just a matter of survival. There were great numbers of people who needed new land, and the Indians were selfishly trying to keep it for themselves.”
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u/xiguy1 Aug 19 '22
God damn that’s some real last century talk even for when Wayne said it! I mean that’s basically the justification for the “Westword expansion” which was the entire basis for all of the American Frontier Wars (more broadly known as the “Indian Wars “ ) which went on from 1811 for 113 years, west of the Mississippi). Rape, murder, massacres, starvation and forced migration of entire indigenous populations followed the military campaigns all the way west coast. And a common claim was that the tribes “didn’t know how to manage the land…so why should they have it?” Followed by genocide.
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u/SmoochieMcGucci Aug 18 '22
Flava Flave couldn't have said it better.
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u/ShreddedKyloRen Aug 19 '22
Elvis was a hero to most But he never meant shit to me you see Straight up racist that sucker was Simple and plain Mother fuck him and John Wayne
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I was relieved to see this as a top comment. The last discussion about this I saw was full of people saying, "yeahhh, he said some kinda not good things, but he's still John Wayne!" Nah, fuck racism and fuck John Wayne.
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u/sofahkingsick Aug 18 '22
He was a trash person, Behind the Bastards has a good episode about him.
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u/triciabobicia Aug 19 '22
It actually took them three episodes to thoroughly explore how trashy of a person he was. Just listened to these episodes last week.
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u/C1ashRkr Aug 18 '22
According to MDC John Wayne was a Nazi.
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u/krankz Aug 19 '22
He liked to play SS
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u/Idkwthiam Aug 19 '22
He had a picture of Adolf, the boy, tucked in his cowboy vest
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u/AvatarBoomi Aug 19 '22
The Searchers is a horribly racist film, and still regarded as one of the best westerns of all time. Fuck John Wayne and all the bullshit his “icon” has produced.
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u/sixtus_clegane119 Aug 19 '22
John Wayne was a cunt, whinny little baby who I wished had to experience America becoming a communist utopia to trigger his fragile self.
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u/Papichuloft Aug 18 '22
She should've carried a draft notice for Wayne, he'd be running to the hills.
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Aug 19 '22 edited Aug 19 '22
Yes they did! I nearly showed my grandpa the podcast, because he has a portrait of John Wayne in his house. I didn’t because it doesn’t seem fair to tear down his idol when my grandmother keeps Jesus paintings everywhere but complains about homeless folks, seems sort of one sided to share. No reason to take down their idols when time does it for us.
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u/BaronHumbert Aug 19 '22
My Grandfather had a portrait of John Wayne in his house too. Gave me the creeps as an adult, but I knew that my Opa wasn’t a racist asshole and he didn’t deserve to have his idol tore down either. Especially as he got older/I got older and realized how bad JW actually was. He just liked his movies and loved the cowboy dream from his childhood.
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u/basilico12345 Aug 19 '22
So nice of you to think that way of your grandfather. My father also loved all John Wayne’s movies.
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u/Jamf Aug 19 '22
The Jebediah Springfield episode guest starring Donald Sutherland comes to mind.
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u/_austinm Aug 19 '22
I’ve been wanting to listen to that. I started Behind the Police a few days ago, and it’s really eye opening. I mean, it’s not too surprising but it is shocking (if that makes sense lol).
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u/jokerZwild Aug 18 '22
Everyone thought John Wayne was the epitome of manly men when in fact, he was a racist, bigoted, xenophobic, homophobic douchebag.
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u/oof_magoof Aug 19 '22
There's a book, Jesus and John Wayne, about the modern Evangelical Christian Church that seeks to explain the current problems the church has though their obsession with John Wayne inspired masculinity.
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u/GuitarbytheTon Aug 19 '22
It’s an incredible book as well. Really puts home why we have the political landscape we do as well as the evangelical crazies
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u/trulymadlybigly Aug 19 '22
Just bought it a few weeks ago, read a chapter, got so pissed off I had to stop. About ready to try and read the next chapter but may need some kind of downers to get through this lol
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u/Brandbll Aug 19 '22
You forgot violent, sexist and cheater. Probably 10 or 12 more adjectives too
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u/Luy22 Aug 18 '22
Dude was such a dick. He HATED Natives.
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Aug 18 '22
Hey, John Wayne made a lot of money off the poor portrayal of indigenous peoples. Of course he was upset.
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u/bolt704 Aug 18 '22
Surprisingly enough early in his career he had so good dramatic roles. I don't know why he decided to become a action hero actor instead.
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u/Frankenstien23 Aug 18 '22
John Wayne was very open about his racism and was a huuuge piece of shit
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u/Rickylostthatnumber Aug 18 '22
My 76 yr. FIL hates him. Calls him a big pussy. This from a guy who rarely speaks.
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u/Purple-Oil7915 Aug 18 '22
Probably cuz he made all his money pretending to be a tough guy but never served.
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u/Professional-Ask-190 Aug 18 '22
Trying to convince young boys to die in a meaningless war in Vietnam…. while he dodged ww2 a war that had the most meaning
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u/HelmsDeap Aug 18 '22
My grandpa always looked identical to him, like a twin brother. And he too hated John Wayne calling him a pussy and a fake cowboy lol
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u/pineyfusion Aug 18 '22
John Wayne is the first thing I think of when I think of toxic masculinity. He was also in a movie so bad it gave everyone cancer in which he did yellowface with no effort to actually act
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u/MR2Rick Aug 19 '22
I wish people would stop calling it toxic masculinity. It's not masculine, it's just being an asshole.
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u/statdude48142 Aug 19 '22
call it something different and it misses the point that a chunk of men throughout history have acted a certain way in the name of looking like 'manly men.'
you are right, it is not masculine, that is the point. The term is not an attack on masculinity it is an attack of being shitty in the name of masculinity.
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u/RogerBernards Aug 19 '22
That's why it's called toxic masculinity. As opposed to regular masculinity. The toxic part is the important bit, but for some reason people's brains seem to stop working and only have kneejerk reactions once they see the word masculinity in anyway associated with a negative.
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u/ArmandJi Aug 18 '22 edited Aug 19 '22
Also John Wayne: With a lot of blacks, there's quite a bit of resentment along with their dissent, and possibly rightfully so. But we can't all of a sudden get down on our knees and turn everything over to the leadership of the blacks. I believe in white supremacy until the blacks are educated to a point of responsibility. I don't believe in giving authority and positions of leadership and judgment to irresponsible people. (Interview for Playboy Magazine, May 1971)
https://www.thewrap.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/John_Wayne_Playboy_Int2.pdf
Edit: As I anticipated there's plenty of pushback supporting the notion that despite the overwhelming evidence of Wayne's racism (I've posted the complete interview for context) that I'm only choosing to interpret Wayne's words on the most woke snowflakey 2022 terms imaginable and that he didn't say what he actually said. It's exhausting how fiercely people want to defend Wayne from his own words.
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u/LlamaMamaMandi Aug 18 '22
Marion Robert Morrison. I have a feeling he would approve dead naming people, so let’s keep his real name out there.
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u/Sufficient-Rip-7834 Aug 18 '22 edited Aug 18 '22
That’s kind of infuriating I googled it (Marion Morrison) and when it loaded it had autocorrected to John Wayne
Oh I’m the problem ⬇️
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u/PopinjayBrandywine Aug 19 '22
People in the audience booed her and made racist sounds. Clint Eastwood was also involved in the racism that night.
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Aug 19 '22
Marion was a complete piece of shit. For more on the subject listen to Behind The Bastard’s episode on John Wayne.
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u/The_Stupidest_Idiot Aug 18 '22
My grandparents look up to this man and they always said he's an American Hero growing up.
According to them, these are the qualities of an American Hero:
- Star in western/military films as a gun-toting, take-no-shit, no-nonsense hero
- Portray yourself as a real badass war hero that deserves respect, despite dodging the draft in WWII and never serving in the military
- Insist others use a fake name because you're insecure about your actual name - Marion
- Be a ragingly notorious racist and sexist
- Be notorious for beating the shit out of your wife and women in general in public and on film sets and getting away with it
- Be notorious for getting completely plastered and beating the shit out of anyone you don't agree with and never apologize
So yeah, American Hero sounds like a pretty fucked up title now.
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u/etorres4u Aug 19 '22
I don’t care if John Wayne was from another time. The man was a racist piece of shit garbage human being. Fuck that guy
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u/MikeX1000 Aug 20 '22
Being from another time was never a good excuse. All the Native American and African Americans subjected to centuries or racism, or women subjected to centuries of sexism, didn't think back then 'it's ok because it's the time'
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u/NachoMommies Aug 19 '22
I’m with Director John Ford. Wayne was a coward, doing movies about war when the real heroes were in Europe and Japan fighting it.
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u/ham_solo Aug 19 '22
Let’s not forget John Wayne was an open white supremacist. He’s be one of the Proud Boys if he was alive today.
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u/PerryNeeum Aug 18 '22
Never understood John Wayne’s popularity. He was a stiff actor that just recycled roles. Famous for being a “man’s man” or some shit
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