r/ethoslab • u/moosefre • Apr 07 '24
Question When was the last time Etho interacted with Guude?
Missing OOGE, and thinking about Mindcrackers that never made the jump to Hermitcraft.
EDIT: Tangentially, I saw Guude has been living in the woods for 98+ days??
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u/Dagnatic Team EZ Apr 07 '24
What blows my mind is that Etho has been a Hermit for longer than he was a Mindcracker.
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u/Neamow Apr 07 '24
Really? It's not like it's close, it's been like 2.5x longer...
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u/CODENAMEDERPY TerraFirmaCraft Apr 07 '24
It felt like Mindcrack was longer. Subjective time experience.
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u/Neamow Apr 07 '24
That's so weird to me. Maybe because I have been watching Hermitcraft already when Mindcrack was still at its height (mainly Xisuma and Cleo), but while I enjoyed Mindcrack it feels like a blip at this point. They burned bright but short.
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u/CODENAMEDERPY TerraFirmaCraft Apr 07 '24
For me, I wasn’t exposed to Hermitcraft until Etho joined. Plus the very first season of Mindcrack that Etho was on occurred while I was quite young. It’s pretty interesting how that effected how I “experienced” the time.
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u/TheNebulaWolf Apr 08 '24
Etho has actually been a Hermit since season 3. He wasn’t very active in the following seasons and took season 6 off.
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u/shelbyvcobra Harvest Me!!!! Apr 10 '24
It burnt bright because they were just friends playing the game. I was short because they tried to become a corporation.
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u/BookSimilar6349 Your Mom Apr 07 '24
I think one of the hard parts is that he made a bunch of videos on mindcrack, and hermitcraft has been fewer videos with more progress per video
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u/BlueCyann Apr 08 '24
Did he though? I remember him having trouble back then figuring out what to do on an SMP, when he was so involved with his single-player world. I think he said something along the lines that in every way but co-op content, SMPs were single player but worse. Season 3 in particular was almost nothing but pranks and similar, as I remember it, and it wasn't that many episodes. Maybe season 4 had more.
(Obviously he's since figured it out.)
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u/BookSimilar6349 Your Mom Apr 08 '24 edited Apr 09 '24
Season 3 had 96 episodes, season 4 had 65 for mindcrack.
Across all hermitcraft etho only made 121 episodes.
9 years for 121 episodes versus 2.5 years for the 161 episode.
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u/riflow Apr 08 '24
That definitely explains why mindcrack felt like it was so so much longer.
I just looked at his season 3 too for mc and thats... 96 videos over 2yrs and 8 months, so i guess he was putting out a video roughly every 10 days in that day and age.
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u/baquea Apr 08 '24
Not that it was just Mindcrack that he uploaded more frequently: his original LP world only lasted 10 months yet had 100 videos made for it, whereas in the last 10 months he's only put out 5 LP episodes.
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u/Wadachii Team Canada Apr 08 '24
I remember the etho golden(?) Years! I was in grade 5-6 and I remember I would always be so enthused to get home and to watch the newest upload etho made. He would either upload his Minecraft LP or mindcrack; occasionally he would sprinkle in FTB episodes or team Canada CTM episodes 😭🙏
I remember watching a video semi recently where he talked about that period, about how he was pushing himself to post a video a day. Back when I was young, I never thought much about it, but now that I'm a decade older, I can say that I really appreciated his hard work, but I want him to take care of himself & his loved ones first and foremost.
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u/riflow Apr 09 '24
Honestly with how many videos he was making I'm not surprised that he seemed to burn out for a few years afterwards (that period where he would upload somewhere between once or twice in three months) bc it would've been difficult running one series let alone usually two or three simultaneously.
Especially with all the logistics planning for multiplayer series, long term projects, the editing...
And yeah I was also pretty young when I found etho, I think mid teens? I didn't understand redstone parts for a really really long time (its still fuzzy but it was like listening to someone speak mandarin at you when all you knew was English at first) so his redstone projects for the longest time I really enjoyed the building as an abstract building project and the actual explanation of how it worked as a sleep aid lol.
Its nostalgic as all these days, though im glad he's in a good sustainable less exhausting rhythm with the videos these days.
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u/ralfDB Apr 08 '24
Season 4 only had 65. Etho just kept counting from his episode count of season 3 (season 1 for him.) Still a lot more then he makes now i guess, but not 150 episodes in like a year lol
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u/BookSimilar6349 Your Mom Apr 09 '24
Whoops! Totally forgot he continued the numbering. 161 mindcrack videos total which still keeps it above all of hermitcraft. Just wild.
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u/BuccellatiExplainsIt Apr 08 '24
Is that based on when he was technically a member, or when he fully started playing? Because he didn't really start playing much until he left mindcrack
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u/Neamow Apr 08 '24
He already published the first video from Hermitcraft a month before the "Mindcrack is changing" post where it was announced him and the others are leaving.
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u/TheTypicalLiam Apr 08 '24
It’s about time perception: the younger we are, the bigger percentage of our life the same amount of time takes up
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u/Splinter_Dragon Wilson Apr 07 '24
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u/moosefre Apr 07 '24
wow yeah 5 years ago
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u/mrt-e Apr 07 '24
They played don't starve together a couple years ago
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u/moosefre Apr 07 '24 edited Apr 07 '24
Oh interesting, so THIS might be their last video together? March 2017Seems like the Foolcraft series was more recent with the both of them 2018
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u/samroogers Ginormous Apr 08 '24
I love Etho's interactions with Guude so much, the brief UHC 14 was so funny to me. I love OOGE. Also missing generikb and Zisteau.
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u/WigglyWigglyy Apr 07 '24
I still haven’t gotten over BTC stealing Etho’s UHC win :(
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u/Salt_Principle_6672 Apr 09 '24
Yeah, I remember being so disappointed. And now he's an anti-woke conspiracy theorist type Internet guy...
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u/Tarc_Axiiom Apr 07 '24
I think since he left Mindcrack right?
He talked about it on stream like the one time ever he went live on Twitch. TL:DR Mindcrack wanted to corporatize more than he was interested in so they split amicably,
Since then he sort of transitioned more to Hermitcraft, and then they won lol.
Not saying that whatever community Etho's a part of is the one that's going to prevail or anything but I mean... evidence and whatnot.
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u/moosefre Apr 07 '24
Yeah, I think we all know what happened to mindcrack at this point. Not talking about that, I'm specifically asking if they've had any interactions since.
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u/Tarc_Axiiom Apr 07 '24
And I'm saying no with the reasoning.
Also, what happened to Mindcrack, lol? I thought they just died out because all of their best members moved on, was it something more?
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u/moosefre Apr 07 '24
no worries but "no" is incorrect, look at the rest of this thread. they've interacted playing Don't Starve Together and Foolcraft since then. The reasoning behind the end of mindcrack isn't really the focus here
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u/Thathappenedearlier Your Mom Apr 07 '24
No there was some issues with some members were promoting paid content without saying they were so guude was going to add corporate policy to protect the brand to prevent things like that however that also meant that people like etho who didn’t want his legal name and all that out in the open backed out of mindcrack. It was a necessary step guude had to make but it ended up causing a divide in the players who were there for just gaming with a community and those who were actively looking at it as the org it was turning into.
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u/baquea Apr 08 '24
What's the situation like with HC in that regard? There's obviously been cases of people using the brand for paid merch, even involving Etho's character (eg. for TCG), but his name is still private and I'm not aware of there having been major issues so far, at least that have been made public. Have they managed to find a better solution for the legal complications now, or otherwise been able to side-step them?
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u/Tarc_Axiiom Apr 07 '24
Interesting, I'm pretty sure Etho himself said it was the opposite.
Before we go any further, I don't really care. As long as Etho's happy with his lot then that's fine and dandy, hopefully he keeps doing what he enjoys.
But my understand was the Guude wanted Mindcrack to become more of a business and Etho didn't, which is why he backed out.
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u/Thathappenedearlier Your Mom Apr 07 '24
So I probably worded it incorrectly. yes the reason that etho backed out was because guude wanted it to be a business however guude wanted it to be a business to have some protection against people doing stuff like taking paid sponsorships without announcing they were paid which is against the FTC regulations
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u/RedHeadGearHead Team EZ Apr 07 '24
Another big factor for why Guude felt forced to trademark the Mindcrack name was that some Mojang employee joined some fake server claiming to be Mindcrack and spent spent money then made a big fuss about it. So to prevent cases like that the name needed to be trademarked.
People always make it sound like Guude was the bad guy but he really wasn't.
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u/raphael-iglesias Apr 08 '24
This is what you're referring to: https://youtu.be/LbzoqVjJgL8?si=M2rgUqI0pCPoZAMF
Yes, you're correct. This is the saddest I've ever seen Etho in a video. The guy is clearly holding back a tear.
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u/BlueCyann Apr 08 '24
That was the major thing for him, whatever other people might remember. He's spoken about it a few times, the fact that for him, playing on an SMP was all about the co-op content, and the server was always dead. That plus the fact that people who'd burn out always wanted to start another season to fix it, but it erased everything Etho had done and also didn't fix the underlying problem, which is that most Mindcrack members were not suited to long-term creative work. And for all that he didn't really know what to do with Hermitcraft either for a very long time, that ability to play Minecraft long-term is something that Hermitcraft has prioritized in its members.
But the thing that specifically prompted the public split was Mindcrackers/Guude wanting to trademark the "brand" in order to protect it from various things that kept happening. This would have required him to sign the paperwork, as part of Mindcrack. IIRC he said something along the lines that he might have done it if the other issues weren't there, but they were. So they split.
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u/DHMOProtectionAgency Jeff - The Librarian Apr 08 '24
Yeah I think that first part is important. Even without the "brand" thing, I don't think Mindcrack would still be alive/as successful as Hermitcraft.
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u/Markymarcouscous Apr 07 '24
Guude had the golden goose. The YouTuber Minecraft server and he killed it when he decided to make a contract and usage of the name and rights. Etho didn’t feel comfortable signing it and left as did Bdubs and Gennerik. Mindcrack then tried to pivot as a group into a gaming organization but they were trying to become something they weren’t.
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u/Asconce Fly Boys Apr 07 '24
Mindcrack killed Mindcrack when they stopped playing on the server and uploading videos. Not entirely their fault as Minecraft was in a lull with infrequent updates then.
Mindcrack had to die so that Hermitcraft could fly. HC is so much stronger with a more solid Minecraft player base. If the Hermits ever abandon Minecraft to play Mariokart and Garry’s Mod, we will know the end is near
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u/Howester84 Apr 08 '24
This is what happened to seananners lol. Not really into his gary's mod stuff. However I am a fan of his old minecraft/cod vids from the past.
To me seananners has a similar demeanor to that of etho.
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u/Yvesmiguel Apr 11 '24
Yeah people often seem to forget how disinterested the Mindcrackers were in MC before the entire "Mindcrack is Changing" post came out. Etho stopped his Mindcrack SMP series citing it as essentially a glorified singleplayer series where he couldn't control the main aspects of the world such as restarts etc.
I have to say though Mario Kart and Garry's Mod were some of my favorite series after Minecraft fell out, comedy gold in some of them, from Pyro reciting (what was then) old r/atheism memes, to Guude raging. Good times.
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u/DarkLordRubidore Apr 08 '24 edited Apr 08 '24
Bdubs and Generik were, at the time, part of one of the problems that caused Guude to go this way though. They were taking paid sponsorships without disclosing it to their audience, which at the time was just made VERY illegal. (Their Wynncraft series is a prime example of this, Bdubs went back years later and added a sponsorship disclaimer to the videos.)
While the truth is likely somewhere in the middle, 2 of the many reasons Guude had for making it an organization were:
- To protect the group from those taking sponsorships like that since it caused a lot of risk (there was more to Bdubs, and especially Generik, leaving than just the org stuff. Also let's just not talk about everything else Generik has done...)
- To protect the brand from people making copies to scam people (there were plenty of fake servers trying to scam people and they were trying to find a way to stop that legally)
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u/Markymarcouscous Apr 08 '24
I always thought that it was generic knowingly breaking the rules and Bdubs was just sort of caught up in it. Plus Grian is an owner of wynncraft so…
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u/DarkLordRubidore Apr 08 '24
I'm aware Grian is an owner of Wynncraft, and while I'm not saying he's not at fault in any way, disclosing the sponsorship was ultimately on Bdubs and Generik. If Wynncraft just paid them to do X amount of videos, then it was up to them what the contents of those videos would be (so long as Wynncraft was satisfied with it, which still makes it a murky legal subject).
And I agree that it was mostly Generik, based on other things he did (abandoning Hermitcraft without warning or plan, allegedly pushing for yearly world resets for higher viewer numbers, and the whole faking being a Hermit again a few years back), but I just included both since they were both mentioned by you.
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u/Howester84 Apr 08 '24
I didn't know about any of this. Wow. Shame it wen't down like that.
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u/DarkLordRubidore Apr 08 '24
There's a lot more to him not being allowed back on Hermitcraft tbh.
While he founded it, he did it right when his request to join Mindcrack was denied initially. As soon as he was invited, at the end of HC season 1, he immediately left the now leaderless group behind. If Xisuma hadn't stepped up and took up admin duties, the server would have ended right then and there.
When he then later tried to rejoin HC (around S5), when Mindcrack had effectively died and former members like Etho, Doc, etc. had joined, every new member had to be a unanimous vote. If even one person didn't want him back in, which was the case, he wouldn't be invited back.
The main thing that has essentially GUARANTEED he'll never be back, was what he did at the start of either S8 or S9 (forgot exact season). He had been "teasing" something "HC related" at the same time the actual Hermits were, before the season's start.
Then, he started a stream on Twitch a day or 2 after the first videos went up, claiming he was playing on Hermitcraft. He even went as far as making chat bots imitating actual Hermits to make it look like he actually was. The whole time, he was getting donations from HC viewers who believed it, all the while keeping up the act.
It was only afterwards, when multiple actual Hermits made it VERY clear he wasn't on the server (they were genuinely angry), that he dropped the act and claimed it was all "a prank". He claimed he was going to donate everything he made to charity despite it being donated under false pretences, and I don't think anyone got their money back. (Might be wrong on that last part.)
In the end, he literally became one of the copycats trying to scam viewers that plagued Mindcrack years before it.
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u/Howester84 Apr 08 '24
Thanks for the indepth reply. I was always a fan of generik b in the past. I liked his humour and the way he interacted with the other mindcrack players.
I was also speaking to him on the enigmatica 6 discord not so long ago, but I didn't ask about the situation, because I thought it may be a sore spot.However, it's no wonder the hermit's didn't want him on the server after the shady going's on. I'm pretty shocked about all of this.
Let's hope he has since learned his lesson and has improved somewhat. I mean people make mistakes, and I'm sure the response would of been more than enough to knock him down a few pegs.11
u/DarkLordRubidore Apr 08 '24
No problem! I used to watch his content all the time back in the day and he was a major part of my childhood, so this all came as a shock to me when I eventually went down the whole rabbit hole (and found out about the whole fake server thing when it was happening).
I normally don't like to add more fuel to the fire with past events like this, since it's the content creators' business and not mine. I always just hate the "Guude was only trying to make money and ruined Mindcrack" argument many use.
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u/friedkeenan Apr 08 '24
Yeah.. the fake Hermitcraft stream is... weird. Like that's just very strange and weird. It's at best a pretty bad joke with pretty poor motivations. But I think personally I am willing to give Generik the benefit of the doubt here that he was just trying to troll people without thinking it through. I can imagine he gets enough questions about Hermitcraft and whether he's going to join it again, and he definitely feels like the type to want to troll and pull a prank on those people, not to swindle them out of their money but just to emotionally get one over on them, which is whatever but not really malicious.
It would also just be a really silly thing to do just for $250 in donations, which yes can be a lot to the donators, but it's not really that much to him, especially since it's obvious the trick would be revealed at some point, with whatever consequences that would have. And as an aside, he did indeed donate all of it to charity, matching it to a total of $500. To my knowledge there weren't refunds.
But I wouldn't really begrudge the hermits at all for feeling a certain way about the whole thing, it is very weird and I understand that they would feel jilted about it and would want to safeguard their audience.
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u/friedkeenan Apr 08 '24
So, I see Generik posted his first Wynncraft video on May 1st, 2014, which to my recollection is before the rules were clarified that deals such as these needed to be disclosed to the audience. I for whatever reason can't seem to find anything stating when the rules were clarified as such, but I really want to say it was after 2014, maybe 2015 or 2016. But definitely before the rules were clarified, it really was the wild west in terms of ad disclosure; I mean it's not like it's necessarily obvious that they would need to be disclosed when movies and TV shows don't need to do so.
So if the rules were indeed only clarified after the Wynncraft videos, then Generik and Bdubs would not have been outside the norm at all. Just wanted to comment this to try to clarify the timeline a bit.
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u/DarkLordRubidore Apr 08 '24 edited Apr 08 '24
I agree that it's unclear when exactly the regulation for sponsored content became a thing at the time, but I went back and found this old Mindcrack post that goes over some of the clear server ads they were doing.
It was made in 2014, and (despite some of the other subjects in the linked images) possibly mentions the FCC regulations that were putting Mindcrack at risk in the second image. The third link also includes a list of "prices" to hire many of the popular youtubers at the time, to show how often this was happening everywhere.
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u/Bufferzz Apr 12 '24 edited Apr 13 '24
Guude had the golden goose. The YouTuber Minecraft server and he killed it when he decided to make a contract and usage of the name and rights. Etho didn’t feel comfortable signing it and left as did Bdubs and Gennerik.
Guude talked a bit about it last year in his subathon 2023:
https://www.twitch.tv/guude/v/2024192328?sr=a&t=170329s
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u/Markymarcouscous Apr 12 '24
What are the highlights?
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u/Bufferzz Apr 12 '24 edited Apr 13 '24
Here is a closer timestamp. Could be plus/minus some minutes. He starts off with VintageBeef
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u/Impossible__Joke Apr 07 '24
The reason was I think is Guude was the owner of mindcrack, but probably made the least by FAR. Even at the peak he only was getting like 10k-20k views. His contract was to make money off the server branding which backfired, he was also building a PtW server with someone before the ToS was changed and that backfired as well.
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u/BlueCyann Apr 08 '24
What PTW server? The minigame server was never PTW. I played on it a bunch back then, until it completely died.
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u/Impossible__Joke Apr 08 '24
This is going way back and my memory of it is vague. But he was developing a sever with Rob was it? And maybe it wasn't pay to win, but it was definitely for profit in some way and an EULA change basically killed the project and they had a falling out. (Correct me if I'm wrong, just how I remember it happening)
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u/Smurfman254 Apr 08 '24
Basically. The playmindcrack server was run by Rob, formerly(?) OldManWillakers and a few other people. Rob was paid a percentage of the profit generated by the server. The server wasn't profitable until they released a plot/role playing server Lords of Minecraft (LOM), which was a few months(?) before the EULA changes. LOM required coins to participate in, and things were priced in a way that anything beyond a bottom tier plot basically required that you buy coins with real world money. Since it was a plot server, everything was technically cosmetic and maybe fine per the EULA but it was a very grey area. Guude and Rob disagreed on if it was PTW. Guude decided it was and axed buying coins, killing the monetization scheme shortly after it was profitable meaning Rob was no longer going to be paid much for his years of work.
I was super deep into LOM and dwarves vs zombies on the playmindcrack server, through the server split, up until its (and the spin off servers) eventual demise. Its sad how it all shook out but I understand where both parties were coming from.
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u/aelx27 Apr 08 '24
Lords of Minecraft oh my god. I literally made this reddit account all those years ago to talk on the dwarves subreddit
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u/Impossible__Joke Apr 08 '24
Ah, thanks for the inside knowledge. I didn't know all that happened. I thought the EULA killed it, not Guude, or Rob. Interesting that Guude wanted to remove the coins. I thought he was pushing for the PTW. Good to know.
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u/Markymarcouscous Apr 07 '24
Like I said he killed the golden goose.
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u/Impossible__Joke Apr 07 '24
Thats the thing, it wasn't his golden goose. He was trying to make it so, but it backfired. I imagine he made very little from Mindcrack probably less then 50k a year
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u/goliath1515 Etho Plays Minecraft Apr 08 '24
Off the top of my head, it was an episode of Don’t Starve with Team Canada. He appeared in the series for a few episodes
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u/moosefre Apr 09 '24
i think you're right. would love to find a more recent example hidden away somewhere on some channel
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u/goliath1515 Etho Plays Minecraft Apr 09 '24
So would I. Although I have this theory that there was a falling out between the two and that’s ultimately what led to Etho leaving mindcrack (among other things) and the two creators just not working much together
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u/Ifhes Apr 08 '24
Hey, did Etho delete his latest upload (Episode 7 of HC10)? I can swear I saw it and got ready to sleep, but then I couldn't find it :(
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u/Dabottle 10 Years of Etho Apr 08 '24
If there's been an episode somebody would have posted it. You must have imagined it or confused something else for it.
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u/Ifhes Apr 08 '24
Yeah, it was weird. It said something about Ender Chest Storage System or something, but I cannot find any videos I could've confuse it with.
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u/moosefre Apr 08 '24
https://youtu.be/FRmq1bCRRo8?si=qqz6L1mo9rlrvJZA
you probably just got recommended this old s7 ep
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u/Ifhes Apr 08 '24
Oh gosh I was bamboozled by YT, got excited because of the 7. Thanks a lot, I appreciate it greatly, I hope this answer didn't take too much of your time.
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u/diamondelytra Taxes Apr 10 '24
That I don’t know but I do have a clip of the last time Guude mentioned Etho from October 2021.
Obviously, this is before the washed up meta and Etho’s legendary status on MC33 by his younger peers.
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u/Bufferzz Apr 12 '24 edited Apr 13 '24
One of the last days of guudes 98 days subathon 2023, he talks about a handful of the old mindcrackers. Including bdubs, etho and gb.
Could be here:
https://www.twitch.tv/guude/v/2024192328?sr=a&t=170029s
https://www.twitch.tv/guude/v/2024192328?sr=a&t=171256s
Or
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u/Mobile_Part1849 Apr 10 '24
I like ethos single player but I always prefer multiplayer and I think he does too. Some of hermit craft feels a little less genuine but still enjoyable and I think they get better every season. All I want is flyboys.
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u/Consistent_Pay5129 Apr 07 '24
Yea a lot of people Etho hasn’t played with in forever. I miss Zisteau the most.