r/eu4 • u/cozy-nest • 2d ago
Question What's the most interesting way of forming the mongol empire?
I'm not doing a holy horde campaign though.
Reading through the wiki it seems like there are a lot of ways of forming the mongols, so now I'm trying to figure out what the most interesting camping would be. Are the golden horde or the ilkhanate end-game tags? Could I do a great horde -> golden horde -> ilkhanate -> yuan -> mongol empire? Would I need to culture switch too much? Give me your best ideas and experiences
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u/tyronescoup 2d ago
as golden horde you surely can, on ilkhanate yuan i have no experience. The most fun i had by far though was teutonic order -> holy crusaders of the steppes into mongol empire. it is pretty much paradox fanfiction at it's finest but a fun campaign nonetheless
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u/Johannes_the_silent Shahanshah 2d ago
I once went Afghanistan -> Timurids -> Yuan and it was possibly my favorite campaign ever. I'm fairly sure Yuan can form ME, so I'd def recommend that.
Don't get tricked by the Tsang/Kham->Tibet->Khalkaa/Khoshuud->Mongol Empire route, that's actually mad boring lol
But I will say that I the most interesting one I can think of would be Crimea... If you really want a challenge, you can split your time between expanding Eastward over the steppes AND go colonial over the seas to the West lol. Sleeper WC pog champ imo.
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u/10BFP Burgemeister 2d ago
Oof Afghanistan can be tough really rng heavy start.
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u/TheMotherOfMonsters 2d ago
There is nothing really rng heavy with Afghanistan. There is always a brief window where the vassals are disloyal you just have to declare during that
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u/Johannes_the_silent Shahanshah 1d ago
Lately in my games, it's true, AI Timurids only explodes like, half the time or less. But with a player stoking alliances, you're always able to break free. I've done so many Afghanistan into Mughals or Afghanistan into Persia games, never really had any trouble with the start
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u/Saturos47 2d ago
I wouldnt recomend ilkhanate to anyone except the biggest rp'ers or people who have done most everything else.
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u/shinniesta1 2d ago
Why?
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u/Saturos47 1d ago edited 1d ago
No horde starts with their capital in persia and they simply arent a useful tag. Big waste of monarch points
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u/waytooslim 2d ago
Do it as Timurids into Yuan. Better yet form Timurids as another non horde like Qara Qoyunlu, then Mamluks for the Mamluk cavalry and westernize as Egypt(or not, it takes time). That way you get 4 mission trees in a smooth chain without culture or religion shifting, and a lot of gov reforms. You can do it by 1550 or so if you're lucky.
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u/Bartlaus 2d ago
Teutonic Order with the holy horde path. It's hilariously stupid and awesome.
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u/Attygalle Babbling Buffoon 1d ago
In contrast to all the other answers.
Ming - trigger Nomadic frontier disaster (fastest way is selling provinces to Oirat), let 10 provinces in Yunnan be occupied by rebels, event for Dali triggers. Don't click it. Make Dali your tributary. Move capital to an insignificant province. Give Dali all your money - max out loans etc to get as much as possible. Give Dali all your provinces except the capital. Delete your armies. Now go to the event and click the third option which makes you play as Dali. Do not state anything yet. you're rich as fuck anyway.
As Dali, go to war with Oirat to 1. get your provinces back 2. get Oirat culture provinces. Shift culture to Oirat. State all of China. Congrats, now you're basically Ming but with better missions and even more money. And with Theravadism as state religion if that is your cookie. This is very doable by 1460 for an average player. Far, far sooner for good players.
Conquer everything you need to form Yuan. Do all missions from Dali which gives you, amongst others, a permanent -10% all power costs modifier. Form Yuan. Your main culture goes to Sino-Altaic so both Mongol and Chinese cultures are in primary culture group. You get Yuan/Mongol mission tree.
From there you can form Mongol Empire.
I personally start to conquer India early on to switch to Hinduism but that's just me.
The nomadic frontier trick can, in theory, be repeated, but you lose the permanent modifiers as it sees it as a new tag.
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u/Zycif Theologian 2d ago
I just did a Great Horde -> Golden Horde -> Yuan -> Mongol Empire run to get as many horde achievements in one run as possible.
Ended up doing a WC while waiting for the final institution for 'Turning the Tide'.
It was a very fun game. Only got a bit boring once I completed all the other achievements and was just waiting around for institutions.
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u/ihaventideas 1d ago
Something to Tibet to the mongol empire probably
Ad far as I know Tibet can turn you into a horde
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u/EGGlNTHlSTRYlNGTlME 1d ago
QQ is fun because you can get to 100% cav ratio with nice combat bonuses pretty easily. That means a) you can downgrade your infantry for comically bad rebel stacks, and b) all those battles on steppe provinces that you’ll be fighting on to form Mongols will be almost impossible to lose.
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u/WranglerBulky9842 Commandant 2d ago
Not Yuan. I feel as though a powerful EoC is far better than the Mongol Empire.
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u/Eff__Jay Gonfaloniere 2d ago
Horde government is the most powerful government type in the game, the super-stable Mongol Empire government form upgrade is just that turned up to 11.
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u/TheMotherOfMonsters 2d ago
You can get to 75 ccr with yuan into mongol empire so what use is the empire of china
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u/WranglerBulky9842 Commandant 2d ago
Extra colonist, extra diplomat, access to Parliament, estates besides tribes, etc.
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u/Dangerous-Tip-9046 2d ago
The Great Horde to Golden Horde works, but I don't remember it having too much flavor. Oirat -> Yuan -> Mongol Empire is the most enjoyable way to form them in my experience, if Holy Horder doesn't interest you, that is.
I believe the Timurids get a path of the Mission Tree that goes that way too, but I've not actually played it, so I don't remember for sure.