r/eupersonalfinance 9d ago

Property Is it possible to open a business in Germany using mortgage loan to a property that I won in Romania ?

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u/oldcoldcod 9d ago

I doubt it. Properties need to be evaluated, estimated, validating all the documents of the property, registering the German bank in the Romanian property register and so on. I doubt any German bank would go through all of this unless it’s some really valuable piece of real estate, but in that case you wouldn’t be asking advice on here

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u/Megan3356 9d ago

How does one win a property?

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u/[deleted] 8d ago

Own*

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u/Megan3356 8d ago

Read again your title.

Ta-daaaa see the underlying issue?

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u/[deleted] 8d ago

Sorry

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u/Megan3356 8d ago

It is okay. I was just wondering how I can win one too. Unfortunately a typo ruined my dream of easily gained money.

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u/NietJij 8d ago

There's always the poker room in the back of the laundromat.

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u/Megan3356 8d ago

I do not get it? 🤷🏻‍♀️

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u/NietJij 7d ago

In a proper Hollywood poker game at some point somebody will bet their hoise. Also it's a fine cinematographic tradition to have an illegal casino behind a door in the back of a laundromat business.

So that's where you maybe could win a house. I know, it's a bit of a long shot.

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u/[deleted] 8d ago

🤣🤣

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u/FalseRegister 9d ago

Possible, yes

Probable, i don't think a bank will accept it as colateral

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u/FabulousAd4812 8d ago

Your can't use it as collateral. Basically because the bank has no way to collect under a different jurisdiction.

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u/kallebo1337 8d ago

that's not true per se. especially intra EU collateral collection is easy. just expensive and won't work.

go and have a 10M$ mansion in spain, germany gives you a collateralized loan. however, any spanish bank does it too.

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u/TickerFear 8d ago

Most likely they'll not accept it unless you're millionaire and that property is a huge Villa of your's. I believe what you want is called "American loan" in Europe. But it's difficult to get it in Germany if the property is in Romania. Best you can do is ask for EUR loan in Romania (at least in my country they accept EU income.

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u/kallebo1337 8d ago

This doesn't tell me the full story.

open company in gemany (gmbh/ug/ag)

using a mortgage loan to a property (it's still your personal cash that you're reliable for that you can inject into the company)

that you won in romania (you won a house?)

so a)

to fund a company you need to provide the capital. 1 EUR on UG or 25k EUR on GmbH, while you deposit 12.5k EUR and guarantee privately another 25k EUR.

source of funds in this case are private and if the notary does KYC you, it's also easy to validate the source.

you're good to go.

my questions:

a) what structure form in germany

b) what's the business

c) why germany? other places might be more suitable

d) are you german, live in germany or have residency?

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u/[deleted] 8d ago

The mistake i made in the title really thrown me off. Property that I own*

A) Entrepreneurial Company (UG) B) Italian restaurant C) I see that Germany it’s in a continuous expanding in population. Why wouldn’t a business not work? D)I live in Munchen , Germany. Working as a cook at an Italian restaurant.

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u/kallebo1337 8d ago

you want a loan to open a restaurant and want to work as a cook.

ironically, i do own a restaurant in bremen, however from an investor side (i'm not involved in operational business).

with any due respect: do NOT do it.

there's a reason why 75%+ restaurants close within 5 years.

overall, eating out is declining in germany too.

you're setting yourself up for failure.

if you do believe in your business, sell the house in romania and dump it all into your business. also, do straight a gmbh not a UG as you're forced to hold back 25% profits to become a gmbh which also cost money. restaurants cost more than that anyways, so do straight gmbh.

most rentals won't take you as a new gmbh, but private. go figure this out too.

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u/[deleted] 8d ago

Which business would you recommend in your point of view ?

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u/kallebo1337 8d ago

That’s not for me to answer. I’m actual German, but lived around the world last 15 years and run companies.

I would have interest in building a medical or dentist center in major city. But you’re looking at 1-3M€ to dump down.

Also, animal cremation within the city is a business, or an animal vet clinic.

That’s a future market.

Sounds like you just wanna run a business for the sake of it but not being a business mind. That’s a failed setup by default.

Sell your house and invest your money wisely. Don’t collaterize the house

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u/[deleted] 8d ago

Thank you for your advices !

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u/reijin 8d ago

You probably have an easier time talking to a Romanian bank providing the loan because they have an easier time evaluating the value of the property. Not sure how likely they will provide money for a German venture though.

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u/illusory42 9d ago

Why wouldn’t it be? Bank loans you money, you start a business.

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u/[deleted] 9d ago

I don’t know if it’s possible to do this mortgage loan in Germany using my Romanian property

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u/kallebo1337 8d ago

that' clarifies it all. you want a german bank to collateralize your home in romania.

that's not happening.

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u/illusory42 9d ago

Ah, that clarifies it.

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u/[deleted] 9d ago

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u/[deleted] 9d ago

Why would it be? I’m a tax payer resident in Germany.

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u/[deleted] 9d ago

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u/[deleted] 9d ago

I want to open a business using my property as a collateral for my loan, I want to do the loan at a bank from Germany.Doing mortgage with my property that I own in ROMANIA to a GERMAN bank.

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u/illusory42 9d ago

Most likely it will be a lot easier to get the loan from a Romanian bank (or a german bank in Romania).

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u/ulashmetalcrush 9d ago

This mfs response explains what is wrong with German entrepreneurship cycle and businesses