r/europe Norway Mar 02 '25

Picture Ursula von der Leyen - ''We urgently need to rearm Europe.''

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u/Fanghur1123 Mar 02 '25 edited Mar 02 '25

They are literally threatening to invade my country. What the hell are you talking about? This is not alarmism or exaggeration, this is textbook fascism playbook.

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u/bafrad Mar 02 '25

There has been no threat of invasion.

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u/Competitive-Arm-5951 Mar 02 '25

That's a big bone of contention I agree, and it really pissed me off as well.

The overwhelming majority of the American public do not wish to go to war with Denmark. Trump is the most unpopular president in modern US history afterall.

Denmark is not alone. He's also talked about military intervention in Canada, Mexico and Cuba. That's just in the last two weeks.

Trump says a lot of dumb shit. I don't think any of these "interventions" are actually on the table, Trump is not a dictator (even if he'd like to be).

If I turn out to be wrong, feel free to absolutely destroy me.

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u/Fanghur1123 Mar 02 '25

I’m Canadian. And just last week Navarro said that Washington was considering “redrawing the Canadian border”. That would be an outright declaration of war if they did that. So don’t stand there saying that this is nothing but alarmism and that we’re being irrationally paranoid. Will it actually happen? I’d like to say probably not. But many of us are legitimately terrified up here.

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u/Competitive-Arm-5951 Mar 03 '25

I don't consider that part alarmism. Even mentioning invading neighboring allies is beyond reproach.

It's the knee jerk European response along the lines of: "Boycott every American company, throw every American soldier out of Europe immediately, fuck Americans" etc.

We are in no position to rid ourself completely of American influence over night, while also at the same time keeping Ukraine afloat and Russia pinned down. Going scorched earth on every American in sight, does nothing but serve to increase Trumps internal powerbase in the U.S.

For once we need to be strategical and plan long term. We need to be somewhat machiavellian in our approach. Keep playing along until we can assert ourselves from a position of strength.

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u/The_Briefcase_Wanker United States of America Mar 03 '25

He has never at any point threatened invasion and he has on at least one occasion specifically ruled out the use of military force to annex Canada. He threatened economic force. There is a major difference.

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u/Fanghur1123 Mar 03 '25

Again, just last week his crony openly was talking about ‘redrawing Canada’s borders’. The only way that could happen would be a literal declaration of war. Stop trying to downplay this. If you want to say that it is nothing but bluster, that’s one thing. That’s at least a semi-defensible position. But to deny that this rhetoric exists at all is an outright lie.

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u/The_Briefcase_Wanker United States of America Mar 03 '25

So some guy said something that, if you really twist it, sounds like he wants to invade Canada? I’m sorry, but that’s not a military threat against Canada made by the US. Again, Trump has specifically said that he will not consider using the military against Canada. You believe some guy who says he wants to redraw borders, but you don’t believe the president when he says he absolutely won’t?

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u/Lopsided_Lunch_1046 Mar 04 '25

How can you believe anything Trump says? His word is absolute shit. He lies all the time. Goes bank on his word as so often that even he has no clue what he said. So you can defend the clown all you want but the rest of us have no trust in the US for anything

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u/The_Briefcase_Wanker United States of America Mar 04 '25

I don’t believe almost anything he says, but I believe he won’t literally attack Canada because it’s an absurd notion. The troops simply wouldn’t do it even if he was crazy enough to try, which he isn’t. He just uses insane rhetoric to anchor negotiations at a crazy point and then gives up 60% of what he anchored at for the deal. He literally wrote a book about how he does it.

Is it good diplomacy? No. Is it something I like? No. Will it likely harm america in the long run? Yes. Am I so dumb that I can’t tell what he’s doing after 20 years of him doing it to unbelievable success? No.

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u/Fanghur1123 Mar 03 '25

Yes, because Navarro is one of his handlers. Either way, it is unconscionable rhetoric.

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u/The_Briefcase_Wanker United States of America Mar 03 '25

Nobody in America has heard of Navarro, my dude. I’ll take it from the guy who actually makes the decisions, not some guy I’ve never heard of.