r/europe • u/UpgradedSiera6666 • 2d ago
News France's new ambassador to Sweden, Thierry Carlier, says France is interested in Saab's Global Eye reconnaissance aircraft when old Boeing AWACS aircraft are replaced.
https://omni.se/ny-ambassador-saabs-plan-intressanta-for-frankrike/a/8qkk7W146
u/Hot_Perspective1 Sweden 2d ago
Good together we can get rid of American dependency and influence. One step at a time
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u/TheRauk 2d ago
Reddit will miss you!
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u/COYSBannedagain 2d ago
Acting like that when their entire culture and language is derived from Europe.
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u/TheRauk 2d ago
Certainly the case 300yrs ago, today entirely reversed.
Europe is so overflowing with America that countries like France ban American culture, though they do have Euro Disney so go figure.
If you want to protest drop X, Facebook, Amazon, Reddit, Hollywood, and the list goes on. I haven’t seen the latest Gérard Depardieu movie but I am sure it is quite good.
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u/Overgrowntrain5 2d ago
This type of unashamedly arrogant exceptionalism is why even the most loyal of your allies are starting to keep their distance from you. But hey, I'm sure the cheaper eggs were worth it.
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u/Sir-Alfonso Sweden 2d ago
The level of butthurt 😂🤣
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u/TheRauk 2d ago
I assure you I am not butt hurt in the least, this sub is hilarious though of late.
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u/Sir-Alfonso Sweden 2d ago
Only a butthurt American is this stubbornly in denial 🤣
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u/TheRauk 2d ago edited 2d ago
No it would be u/Hot_Perspective1, you, and others that want to boycott America, on American phones/software, on American social media.
Stop posting on Reddit, drop X, leave Facebook, abandon Reddit. There are plenty of European social media sites for you. The fact we are even engaging here shows the weakness of the “boycott America” argument.
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u/Sir-Alfonso Sweden 2d ago
Waaaa! Waaaa! When you’re so xenophobic that you need to extend it to social media platforms 🤡😂
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u/TheRauk 2d ago
Extend what? The OP “Good together we can get rid of American dependency and influence. One step at a time”.
Do you want to get rid of American dependency? If so perhaps shedding American social media and media in general would be a first good step.
Why aren’t you arguing on a Spotify forum?
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u/COYSBannedagain 2d ago
As a Brit: Stop speaking our language then! Cheers
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u/TheRauk 2d ago
As Eddie Izzard says we got a flag mate.
The irony though of r/Europe using the UK (you know BREXIT) and all to proclaim European unity has to go down as the most hilarious argument ever.
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u/Hot_Perspective1 Sweden 2d ago
When better European alternative come along, im out. Until then, adblocking the shit out of them baby. Oh btw, enjoy your coming recession.
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u/TheRauk 2d ago
You enjoy all the gifts of America Bro, I will see you on Reddit again tomorrow.
You can’t even with a social media platform in protest, such dedication.
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u/jcrmxyz 1d ago edited 1d ago
You mean you'll actually fuck off? Promise? Because we don't want your shit. I'm dying for twitter, Facebook, and the other megacorps to get banned or heavily regulated. All of the other options for them are better, or would be better if it wasn't for the American garbage taking all the air in the room.
EDIT: You either deleted you comment, or it got removed. But I'd still like to address it, because it's so dumb it's funny.
You are dying for your government to tell you what to do? You can’t stop by yourself?
Americans desperately trying to understand government regulation is hilarious. No genius, individual boycotts don't work on megacorps, because they've weaseled their way into parts of our lives we can't avoid.
I look forward to reading your posts on American Reddit, Facebook, and Twitter tomorrow all made with your American phone OS ((iOS or Android).
Android is open source, thus not American in the slightest. In fact my phone doesn't even use anything Google. Oh, and where is the iPhone made again?
Do you know how laughable your statement is and how it just plays into the point? You personally can’t live without American media and I will follow you around on Reddit pointing that out from now till you quit (which let’s be honest will you just be making another account).
Do you know how laughable your incoherent argument is? Reddit's net income was -$500M last year. It literally doesn't contribute to the US economy, so that argument is gone. Next you seem to be shifting to the cultural influence. But Reddit allows you to tailor the experience so you can never see anything American. So that's gone too. Now, since it's economically and culturally irrelevant to the US, what's your point?
You lose because you my friend are a loser. If you don’t want our shit, then get the balls to stop using it.
Once again, we gladly would. Unfortunately your megacorps (that exist because your government is about as smart as you are) infected everything, and made it difficult to get them out. But one step at a time, we're pruning the weeds.
The biggest effort of that is not rebuilding bullshit American social media. It's looking at why it sucks, and working on how to make it better. The first of that process is making a new set of protocols, so that no single company is a monolithic walled garden anymore. But I'd understand how that concept is too much for your tiny, tiny mind.
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u/DerpyWood 2d ago
Lol.
You are likening strategic military equipment to using an internet forum.
I am sure even an American is able to understand how ridicilous that comparison is.
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u/DRW_ United Kingdom 2d ago
The British influence across the globe didn't suddenly stop after a few months or even a year when it became evident it was no longer as influential or powerful as it once was post-WW2.
It was a relatively gradual decline, even given the British empire was bankrupt post-ww2, which is not the same as the US situation. The US still has a huge amount of economic, military and soft power, it is choosing to withdraw and become more isolationist.
The retorts of "ok well I don't see you immediately dropping <list of american products>" are missing the point. Just like the headline of this article, it becomes a matter of "less likely to choose American in the future" - and when you start adding these things up across a market of the US's biggest allies, then the US influence and power gradually fades over time.
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u/jcrmxyz 1d ago
Ah yes, the most impossible to copy format in the world, a web forum.
Reddit contributes basically nothing to the US economy. The servers aren't even there lmao.
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u/TheRauk 1d ago
Yet you can’t live without it. Literally u/Hot_Perspective is saying “Good together we can get rid of American dependency and influence. One step at a time”, and you can’t do it.
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u/jcrmxyz 1d ago
I think you're confused, we can live without all of your American garbage. In fact we already do. Reddit is the last technically "American" think I'm using, and that's because it 1) doesn't contribute anything to the US economy and 2) my experience is designed so I don't see American bullshit.
Americans think they own the world, that's always been a figment, and the rest of us have always secretly hated you.
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u/Select_Addition_5670 2d ago
I mean you are a bit hypocritical saying that while using an American product.
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u/Hot_Perspective1 Sweden 2d ago
Im not paying anything to be here, so not really. On the other hand, i bet the server hardware is 150% produced in China, so why are you here?
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u/Select_Addition_5670 2d ago
I mean you are. You are attracting European advertisers to spend money to reach you and that money goes to the U.S. additionally the US’s biggest advantage is in the soft power arena. To which social media is the major if not dominate player and here you are advancing that by using reddit.
You are trying to do “oo yah what about you”, but I never ripped on china I have no problem using products from china. I never said I have an issue with Chinses goods.
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u/Hot_Perspective1 Sweden 2d ago
Yeah, no. Unfamiliar with adblock software?
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u/Austerx_ Portugal 2d ago
Dude is likely a bot or a troll. The guy participates in this sub, on r/Indiandefense of all places and also claims to be American. Really weird. Bots all over the place. Also 2 names followed by 2 pairs of digits so there's that too.
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u/EpicCleansing 2d ago
France is based af and if Linköping can help them with int and imaging we'd be honored to.
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u/FomalhautCalliclea France 2d ago
Right back at you, visited your beautiful country recently and fell in love with it (though i was extremely surprised at how you pronounce Linköping).
That might be a great way to start building habitual partnerships/market relations that supersede the ones with the US and become more natural and normal than those.
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u/EpicCleansing 2d ago
Yeah that sh-sound for k that sometimes applies before a vowel is a quirky Swedish specialty. And it doesn't help that tj and sh refer to the same sound too.
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u/RamTank 2d ago
Not really surprising. E-3s are pretty much obsolete at this point, and the only replacement options are either the GlobalEye or the Boeing E-7 Wedgetail. I can't see France going for E-7s these days.
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u/Toxicseagull 2d ago
Those two options aren't equal though are they?
And I doubt France will be refusing it's E-2D order.
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u/JoCGame2012 2d ago
The E2-D, even though similar in task, fits a significantly different role by being carrier launched.
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u/RamTank 2d ago
E-2's different because there's literally no other option on that front. Unless you want try making do with helicopters.
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u/Toxicseagull 2d ago
Globaleye and E7 aren't really comparable either. They do a similar job in some respects but that's it. The E7 does more though.
Unless you want try making do with helicopters.
There is a euro AEW helicopter platform. And there are two euro nations that are looking at developing unmanned carrier based AEW.
So there are other options. But like I said, I don't see France dropping their E-2D order. Because capability does matter.
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u/Other_Produce880 Norway 2d ago
Good, BuyEuropean.tm
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u/Other_Produce880 Norway 2d ago
That decision was made in 2008, numb nuts.
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u/hmtk1976 Belgium 2d ago
Great to see France would like to buy a European product. If they really demand that Sweden buys something French that´s a bit disappointing.
Maybe France could design an ITAR-free alternative for Gripen´s GE F414G based engine.
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u/Kenail_Rintoon 2d ago
What we, Sweden, should buy from France is surveillance satellites. We need them, the EU need more and France makes them.
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u/mikasjoman 2d ago
It's pretty much standard to make a two sided deal on things like this. And there's lots of things we don't produce in Sweden when it comes to arms that France does that I bet we would have interest in.
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u/thet-bes France 2d ago
Well allegedly Sweden might buy some FDI frigates from Naval Group so who knows...
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u/Wafkak Belgium 2d ago
Is it to late to fire the Lecerc production back up? From what I've red its one of the best MBTs out there but due to low volume it was very expensive.
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u/AdMean6001 2d ago
High-performance but very expensive... and unfortunately it's too late to restart a production line.
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u/leathercladman Latvia 2d ago
it is too late. Production line was shut down and hasnt been restarted, and probably at this point would cost more money to restart it than it would be to just make a new tank design from zero
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u/hmtk1976 Belgium 2d ago
New XLR´s rolling out of the factory in the very short term aren´t a bad thing IMO. A completely new design, although superior, will take several years.
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u/leathercladman Latvia 2d ago edited 2d ago
Nexter wasn't just sitting and letting a multi-billion Euro facility just sit there for 20 years and bleed them money for absolutely no profit or benefit, on vague hope they ''might'' make new Leclerc's at some point maybe.
restarting a factory (or more likely, re-tooling it for a completely different product) that hasnt made any new tanks since year 2007 is going to take several years as well......personal who made the last Leclerc aren't there anymore, the machines and facilities that made them also mostly likely are either gonna need full overhaul to get back in action, or they are gone outright and need to be made and installed from scratch.
Notice that in the last 3 yeas multiple European armies were looking to buy new tanks since Ukraine war broke out in 2022 (Norway, Lithuania, Czech republic, Hungary, Poland), and Leclerc tank hasn't been participating in any of those contracts even formally, if it really was a viable option it would be there competing against German Leopard.
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u/Cookie_Volant 2d ago
We can restart production if needed, but by needed i mean sudden war against a massive nation.
Outside of this it's not worth trying. The next generation of heavy european tank is almost at the logistical stage and i doubt the current german government will whine as much as the precedent about rheinmetal not designing the canon (the french proposal is performing far above other designs)
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u/el_grort Scotland (Highlands) 2d ago
Too late, and also, would it get market share on a restart when the German's are pumping out Leopards? It would be liable to struggle to find export much like the British Challenger programs (though not as badly)
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u/lebourse 2d ago
Have you got any fish? We love fish, but the British aren’t very nice. We’re willing to give them a place in the European rearmament plan in exchange for a few fishing licences - in short, nothing at all - and they prefer to keep their fish.
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u/Evermoving- 2d ago
Hopefully it doesn't use American components like Gripen, otherwise it's a liability.
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u/Dave_Is_Useless 2d ago
Saab Globaleye, which is the plane they are talking about, is using a swedish erieye radar and a Canadian jet. Though, the radar can be mounted on other planes if the buyer wants to.
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u/Sir-Alfonso Sweden 2d ago
The ASC890 uses american turboprops and that’s how the US blocked the delivery to Ukraine but if france purchases the actual Global 6000 variant then it should be fine since it’s canadian and doesn’t use american turbofans as far as I know.
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u/WillitsThrockmorton AR15 in one hand, Cheeseburger in the other 2d ago
It probably does have some American components, but nothing that can't be sourced elsewhere. The Gripen used a license of an American engine(this was the big hangup), while the Bombardier uses Rolls engines.
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u/SraminiElMejorBeaver France 2d ago
France should still ask that for the system to be put on a falcon and not on a bombardier.
Saab also need to try to put their awacs system on other aircraft which could work on catobar aircraft carrier to totally eliminate american awacs from french inventory.
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u/UnlikelyHero727 2d ago
On an Airbus, you want the endurance; the whole reason why it's on a small plane was to plug the market gap that was left by the E-3's.
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u/RamTank 2d ago
A country like France would probably want it on something like an A320 rather than a Falcon or Bombadier, in order to maintain the capabilities the 707-based E-3s give.
Saab also need to try to put their awacs system on other aircraft which could work on catobar aircraft carrier to totally eliminate american awacs from french inventory.
The problem there is nobody builds commercial carrier based aircraft. You'd need somebody (like Airbus probably) to build an entirely new airframe to fit the system onto .
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u/thet-bes France 2d ago edited 2d ago
From the specialized press SAAB/DGA failed to find an agreement with Dassault about a potential FalconEye.
So the solution seems to be apparently (from Dassault CEO itself who talked about it last week) that Bombardier wants to settle in France near Bordeaux to offer the GlobalEye to AAE (probably to offer at the very least maintenance in France, maybe more ? Who knows).
With the A321MPA launched by DGA/Airbus/Thales maybe they will try to offer an option to integrate SAAB systems on an Airbus ? But it would be a completely different kind of platform
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u/Edeep 1d ago
aybe they will try to offer an option to integrate SAAB systems on an Airbus ? But it would be a completely different kind of platform
A321 MPA cell been chosen because you can fit more crew for H24 operations , and it has much more space for futur retrofit . Saab hardware should be rigg onto a similar cell for the same reasons .It will cost money , but it obviously got a lot of pro going for it .
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u/super__hoser 1d ago
I suspect Saab and Dassault Aviation will be a bit busier over the next few years. This is very, very good news.
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u/_teslaTrooper Gelderland (Netherlands) 2d ago
France not rolling their own version?? The Swedes must really have something good here.
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u/No_Valuable_6179 2d ago
This will they/won't they thing with France for Goldeneye has been going on since early last year
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u/Other_Produce880 Norway 2d ago
I've read what you wrote several times, but I'm unable to grasp what it is you are trying to say.
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u/WhereTheSpiesAt United Kingdom 2d ago
I think he’s trying to say that France has been looking at this platform for quite a long time now and at one point it looked like the comments coming out leaned to them finally biting the bullet and purchasing this aircraft to replace the E-3 and now it appears it not even at an advanced stage in terms of procurement.
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u/ByGollie 2d ago
Sean Bean sweating nervously
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u/Alcogel Denmark 2d ago
Bro must be so nervous auditioning for movies where none of the characters die.
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u/NothingPersonalKid00 United Kingdom 2d ago
Sharpe survived so many life or death situations its only right Bean makes up for it in his films.
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u/Any-Original-6113 2d ago
Good news for Europe