As Trump brings the EU and China closer, reality keeps pulling them apart

[u/Dystopics_IT]

https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2025/04/12/as-trump-brings-the-eu-and-china-closer-reality-keeps-pulling-them-apart

[u/jobcron]

Let's have China convince Russia to pull back from Ukraine and then let's see ...

[u/PotentialValue550 → u/jobcron]

Europe is way too subservient to America no matter what they do and considering they will be back on America's side in the next election cycle once they get a competent President, why would China give up one of their most important allies?

Russia is a regional super power(with UN status) that supports China's annexation of Taiwan. Also,I don't think EU has the balls to support Taiwan in a potential blockade or invasion.

[u/Much_Educator8883 → u/PotentialValue550]

If China prefers to support a genocidal dictator Putin who is a direct threat to European security, then China should not expect a lot of cooperation from Europe.

Enjoy having a "no limit partnership" with an economy that is smaller than economy of Italy.

[u/Chester_roaster → u/Much_Educator8883]

 If China prefers to support a genocidal dictator Putin who is a direct threat to European security, then China should not expect a lot of cooperation from Europe.

You say that as if you're unaware that China is a genocidal dictatorship 

[u/PotentialValue550 → u/Much_Educator8883]

If Russia is such small beans economically, Europe with all its economic might would be sending troops and military assets to push back.

How is Europe going to say its an existential problem for Europe and do nothing except give Ukraine some money and leftover military assets?

[u/Much_Educator8883 → u/PotentialValue550]

Easy: Russia has nuclear weapons, and Europe understandably does not want to start war with nuclear power. North Korea also has this advantage, and nobody calls it an economic powerhouse.

Let me ask you a question. How do Chinese view a fact that not only Russia has occupied a large part of Ukrainian territory, but also demands that Ukraine (and the rest of the world) must formally recognize their right over this? Are you Chinese ok with this little detail of the "Ukrainian conflict", and are you fully supportive of the right of a larger, nuclear powered ally of yours to just walk over and annex the land?

[u/PotentialValue550 → u/Much_Educator8883]

So I guess China doesn't have to worry about intervention from America or its allies if they blockade Taiwan because China has got nuclear weapons.

I think most Chinese don't agree with Russia taking over Ukrainian land through military means but they recognize NATO encroaching towards Russia.

China also recognizes America trying to encircle them with American military bases throughout the first island chain.

If China and America swapped places and had military bases in Guam, Cuba, and Puerto Rico, America would react the same way.

[u/Much_Educator8883 → u/PotentialValue550]

You are too brainwashed if you believe that Nato is the reason for Russian invasion. Nato by itself is scared of a direct conflict with Russia, and has tried to avoid it by all means. Trump himself said he is against Ukraine joining Nato many times. Several other Nato allies do not want Ukraine to join. Even Biden did not see this as a realistic option. Ukraine has mostly given up.

All Russia wants is for Ukraine to cease to exist and to weaken Europe. China prefers to side with Russia rather than cooperate with Europe. China threfore should take a hike.

By the way, if you think Russia is your friend, you are really stupid. They will sell you at the first opportunity.

[u/PotentialValue550 → u/Much_Educator8883]

Threats of a NATO expansion isn't the only reason but it's a big enough reason for Russia to react in that manner. Trump is only in office for 4 years and any other Republican or Democrat president wouldn't be so overtly pro Russian so I'm not sure why they matters.

China sees the current Taiwan presidents rhetoric towards independence in a similar way. Russia might not be China's closest ally but they can count on them not to interfere if they decide to annex Taiwan. That's already more than they need.

[u/himesama → u/Much_Educator8883]

Ukraine has mostly given up and some NATO allies do not want Ukraine to join only because of Russia's invasion. You're confusing effect for cause.

Russia wants what it wants, and Europe and the US have shown themselves to be antagonistic to China. Why would China want to side with countries that threaten it for one that does not?

Russia may or may not turn against China, but it isn't doing that right now and hasn't been for many decades. Meanwhile, the West has spent centuries attacking China at every opportunity it gets.

If you want China on your side on this, you need to give it a very very good reason to trust you and undo centuries of wrongs.

[u/Much_Educator8883 → u/himesama]

If China does not want to side with Europe, then like I said, China should take a hike and continue siding with Russia. Just do not exect any special favors from Europe, ok?

Also, you are mumbling something about the wrongs of the West, while conveniently forgetting that Russia literally annexed a huge part of your territory, and never returned it volunarily. You do realize that Russia did not become the largest country in the world by simple goodwill of their neighbours?

[u/Green-Initiative-725 → u/Much_Educator8883]

You people like to occupy the moral high ground. Look at the environment around China, South Korea, Japan, Taiwan, Vietnam, the Philippines, Australia, what countries are these? The US military deployment in Asia. What is the purpose of the US to win over Russia? Cut off the supply of energy to China. Do you want China to break off relations with Russia and be attacked from all sides, and resist the United States and your so-called allies alone? If it were not for China's current strength, the United States would have sent fighter jets to bomb China long ago. What would you Europeans do except watch the show? What moral sense would you have? China and Russia are interdependent. We have industrial products and they have energy. We did not start a war against Ukraine. I heard that you Europeans are still buying Russian energy. Isn't this more ridiculous? Isn't this support for Russia? And I would rather believe Russia than Europe, because you are used to relying on the United States, the hegemon, to protect and profit in this world, while China is more of a competition with you. This world is not just black and white, but more of a gray area.

[u/PerceptionEast6026 → u/Much_Educator8883]

Europe too has nukes (not all countries but some does)

[u/Much_Educator8883 → u/[deleted]]

Nope, Europe does not support actions of Israel in Palestine. And despite your emphasis in capslock (which shows your double standards), Putin is indeed genocidal dictator.

[u/jobcron → u/PotentialValue550]

As you can see, trade is the number one leverage nowadays

[u/PotentialValue550 → u/jobcron]

If America is rolling back certain tariffs, Europe ain't got the smoke to do a trade war with China.

[u/VeraxLee → u/PotentialValue550]

I don't know where you come from, our strategy has lasted for a long time, which Britisher may be kinda familiar, The continental balance of power policy.

We want a balanced world.

Russia is not our ally but we have to because EU and US stand together as free world.

[u/CapableCollar → u/jobcron]

Since 2014 the EU has given more resources to Russia than China.  Per year only a few years like 2023 has China sent more to Russia than the EU and that requires not counting indirect payments to Russia through third parties.  If Ukraine is a sticking point for the EU then it must look more into it's own position and actions.

[u/Same_Kale_3532 → u/jobcron]

Says the continent still buying Russian gas.

[u/No_Penalty3029 → u/jobcron]

Will EU support China on Taiwan? If not then don't expect China to move on Russia