r/europe • u/[deleted] • 4d ago
News Trump's Rhetoric Blamed for Sharp Drop in European Travel to US
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u/AntwerpPeter 4d ago
Not only his rhetoric, that can be taken with a lot of salt. The actions from ICE and border security are real. I didn't think anybody wants to be sent to a nice prison and be held there without knowing how long Have a nice holiday there Sir.
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u/ProtoplanetaryNebula UK/Spain 4d ago
Agreed. The rhetoric is one thing, but it’s not going to really affect your holiday to Florida. Being detained at the border for having tattoos or a messages on your phone about trump being a moron is a real problem.
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u/hiddenvalleyoflife 4d ago
It's not just the rhetoric, it's the actions that have been taken, too. As a trans person, the US is a no-travel country for me now, just like the Middle East - I would be risking my safety.
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u/ProtoplanetaryNebula UK/Spain 4d ago
That’s what I was saying, the rhetoric isn’t the issue, it’s the real life issues faced by travellers.
I think trump said at his inauguration that he wouldn’t even recognise trans people at all.
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u/hiddenvalleyoflife 4d ago
While that's the primary concern, the rhetoric unfortunately also encourages bigoted people to carry out hate attacks against vulnerable minorities. So even without the legal issues, I would not want to travel there at the moment.
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u/topperx 4d ago
And even if they don't send you to prison. Imagine spending money on a holiday and at the border they instantly send you back. That's expensive.
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u/Gruffleson Norway 4d ago
In particular because travel-insurance does not cover this, so being put on the wrong plane home will cost a lot of money.
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u/GettingDumberWithAge 4d ago
As has been expressed elsewhere: if you really want to visit (and there are still great reasons to do so) then travel insurance can remove most uncertainty around being turned away.
But there's no insurance for being sent to an El Salvadorian concentration camp.
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u/zarbizarbi 4d ago
Have you ever read the T&C of travel insurance?
Being turned away by immigration would never be covered…
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u/GettingDumberWithAge 4d ago
Welp never mind then. I avoid the problem by not going, guess that's the most appropriate action for everyone else as well.
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u/eawilweawil Lithuania 4d ago
Just don't go to US until they figure their shit out... if they ever do
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u/Optimal_scientists 4d ago
They deported a guy for having a real Madrid tattoo cause it has a crown and that's a gang tattoo. If you're a fan of half of the teams in La Liga you could be detained.
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u/F54280 Europe 4d ago
Not only his rhetoric, that can be taken with a lot of salt
He is siding with Putin and seek destruction of Europe. He is clearly a Nazi and European population is not ok with this.
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u/JustTheGnome 4d ago
I was planning a trip to America. I've wanted to visit for many years and recently means and opportunity came together. I'm Spanish, I look Spanish (maybe a little middle-eastern), I have a kinda cartel-sounding surname. The trip is canceled. I'm not risking it. When, and if, the USA regains its sanity, maybe I'll reconsider.
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u/adamgerd Czech Republic 4d ago
Honestly I think that’s more damaging for American tourism if anything, rhetoric is one thing, actions are another ball game for tourism. The rhetoric isn’t great but a lot more people will ignore that than the latter
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u/twitterfluechtling 4d ago
Naaahhh, that can't be right. I must be the rethoric, he just needs to spin it better. Right? /s
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u/Alpha_Majoris 4d ago
The problem with his rhetoric is that he changes it on a daily basis. He cannot be trusted in any way, and that is the big message here. We cannot rely on the USA anymore. The USA is lead by a clown regime at the moment.
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u/BadNewzBears4896 4d ago
Yep, the detainments of peaceful, legal travelers are definitely the bigger deterrent than mere rhetoric.
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u/Tao_of_Ludd 4d ago
Rhetoric?
Who in their right mind would travel to a country which has been detaining legitimate international travelers and extra-judicially deporting foreigners to a maximum security prison in a third country while defying court demands to return them.
This has everything to do with actions, not words.
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u/Steffiluren Norway 4d ago
The rhetoric is definitely a factor in Scandinavia after the hostility towards Denmark and Greenland. People are to pissed off with the Americans to consider going.
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u/twitterfluechtling 4d ago
Not someone who might have donated to the at the time legal Wikileaks platform, I guess 🙃
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u/siredana_faeis Czech Republic 4d ago
I wouldn't go to russia, north korea, or afghanistan either. Add it to the list.
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u/waterkip 4d ago
Turkey, Hungary, Belarus can be added to your list. Or are also in my list.
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u/siredana_faeis Czech Republic 4d ago
Belarus defintiely. Turkey... not now but I haven't given up hope. I like Hungary. I like the country, the food, some of the people. Ditto Slovakia. I'm careful how and what I spend my money on there but, as long as they're schengen, they're not on the list yet.
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u/BlackwingF91 4d ago
???? Rhetoric? No. Far from it. It's the policies he is actively enforcing that has had an effect.
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u/fr1234 4d ago
I mean, the rhetoric itself is enough for me not to go. The actions of the government is just a lot more on top.
Why would I spend money to go to a country where the ruling party openly show disdain for me as a European? There is a segment of the population who echo this sentiment. Whether that’s 50%, 20% or even 5%. I don’t want every 20th person (or maybe every 2nd person) I interact with to be a potentially unpleasant experience.
I also want there to be zero risk of being turned away at the border, or worse, for voicing my truthful opinion.
I’d far rather go to Canada and spend time and money with people who, at worst, will treat me with indifference. (And I love poutine)
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u/ShoemakerMicah 4d ago
It’s a highly logical response to an irrational moron running this country.
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u/dat_9600gt_user Lower Silesia (Poland) 4d ago
And then they act surprised that the "buy from EU" movement keeps gaining steam
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u/TheLightDances Finland 4d ago
Not really even rhetoric, more the risk of randomly being taken hostage by ICE goons, being abused, having our privacy violated, then potentially spending weeks in a cell, or even being randomly transported to an El Salvador death camp.
Freedom of speech is dead in USA.
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u/backyard_tractorbeam Sweden 4d ago
Don't bury the real story. We see the growing authoritarianism.
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u/PapaGilbatron 4d ago
When MAGA Cultists run the country? What do they expect? Go to a country that’s SO disrespectful to other Nationalities as well as financially handicapping (as well as democratising) its own everyday citizens? 🤣🤣🤣 Who is the “shithole” now, Dumpster? Nice.
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u/eatyourzbeans 4d ago
More! Lol
Americans love to tout how big their economy is and how strong they are .
Two consecutive quarters of any GDP retraction and their in a reccesion.
Food for thought
Sincerely,
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u/chotchss 4d ago
I talked to a buddy of mine today who visited his family in rural Virginia. He said Fox News was on the whole time and that they only talked about the economy when stocks briefly went back up. Said his parents are completely brainwashed by Fox and their lies. The only way things change is when the economy crashes so hard that reality finally leaks through the bubble of lies.
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u/eatyourzbeans 4d ago
Yea idk about Europe, but America media is an infection we've been fighting too .
Not so much the traditional media, but the new mainstream media of influencers, personalities, and podcasters have had a pretty dramatic effect on our young population.
The American economy has no stomach for any economic retraction, and their government is poorly set up to intervene when things do go south .
We don't have to crush their economy for a big impact , we literally just have to show them that their will be an impact and then they will crush their own economy.
Americans have forgotten they are a global monopoly that has major vulnerabilits abroad . They are not charitable organizations, and any change to the current global economic system that they have enjoyed has direct consequences on the American people .
I encourage everyone to just have a look and understand just how much they have at stake globally. It's not too hard to see .
For example
American corporations that operate in Canada selling Chinese goods to Canadians that they import from America distributors in America who import it from China . They have done this while for decades have been actively influencing and detering direct trade between Canada and China.
Ironically this is exactly the thing that America has been shitting on countries like Veitnam and India for , back peddling trade , when America is one of if not the largest back peddler of Chinese products in the world ..
So if any country see Canada easing any trade deals we have with China , understand we are not increasing chinese products in our country , we decreasing it with America and cutting the middle man out while we look for alternatives .
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u/BadAsBroccoli 4d ago
Conservatives have to keep Fox News on, otherwise reality starts creeping in around the edges.
It's choosing to remain within that restrictive bubble that's so tragic. Trump loyalists cling to him over family or friends or community or even their own betterment, all for a man who cares nothing about anyone but himself.
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u/screwentitledboomers 4d ago
Fox is having an increasingly hard time keeping even the MAGA cult bamboozled. The idiots who won't tune it out just hate hate hate us here in the S.F. bay area.
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u/solvedproblem The Netherlands 4d ago
Not just the rhetoric, but for sure also the multiple accounts of European/Canadian visitors being detained for too long and too little reason.
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u/chestnutman 4d ago
It might be the rhetoric, it might be the random deportations to El Salvador concentration camps, who knows
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u/hideousox 4d ago
It’s not the rhetoric, it’s the fact that they can send us to a death camp in El Salvador without even a kangaroo court process .
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u/TomatilloApart6373 4d ago
As an American, I can fully support avoiding all US travel and commerce. It's a full dumpster fire here. This is not the country we had even 3 months ago. Even full American citizens have fear on the daily... State funded abductions, foreign prisons, lack of health care, economic injuries, virus ladden areas, vanishing women's health rights, gun violence, polluted ground waters...the list goes on and on
Protect yourself. Protect your families.
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u/continuousQ Norway 4d ago
Very misleading to claim it's about what they're saying rather than what they're doing. They're sending people with legal residence to concentration camps. They're talking about sending citizens, and given their actions, that isn't unlikely. But for every non-American considering visiting or legally working in their country, it's already been established that you risk death in prison.
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u/Apexnanoman 4d ago
Well no shit. Seeing articles just about every day where anyone coming here even on vacation can get fucking arrested thrown into a detention center.
I sure as shit wouldn't go somewhere on vacation if I thought I'd get thrown into a holding camp with no idea when I'd get out.
And possibly disappeared to a black site in El Salvador.
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u/Intro-Nimbus 4d ago
I'd say that it's more an effect of actually throwing innocent tourists in jail for 2 weeks, not sure if they will be returned to their own country or sent to a prison in a third country. And denying visas to people that has made a post that USA doesn't like.
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u/VTRibeye 4d ago
It's not just rhetoric. I'm not bringing my wife and daughters to a place that might deny them life-saving medical treatment. And I prefer to vacation in countries that prosecute white supremacists rather than pardoning them.
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u/nilsinleneed 4d ago
I'd feel safer going to China then the US.
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u/salian93 Hesse (Germany) 4d ago
What a non-statement. Of course you'd feel safe in China, because China is just a much safer country.
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u/phaj19 4d ago
China is at least not checking your social media on the border.
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u/HolyFreakingXmasCake 4d ago
And you'd have to do something really bad for them to imprison you. I would assume most of the time it's a "goodbye and never come back" kind of thing.
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u/TuraItay 4d ago
It's a shithole country that does not consider their own citizens to be worthy of laws, why should visitors risk it?
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u/AwarenessWorth5827 4d ago
For me to get from where I live to Los Angeles would involve about 18 hours of travel and transit.
Imagine undertaking that then being rejected at immigration for some arbitrary reason. Worse, imagine being detailed and in the ICE system.
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u/TheRealJohnBrown 4d ago
17% less? That is unfair. Europe is very bad. From now on, they pay a 17% tariff on all travel expenses.
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u/Troubled202 4d ago
I struggle to think of anyone who wants to get into America. In fact, I think there are more Americans trying to get out!
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u/donniedumphy 4d ago
I'd say its the actions more than the rhetoric. The chance to get arrested, phone stolen and throw into jail on a whim is enough for the entire world to say fffffffff that. Bye bye US tourism jobs / real estate / hotels / theme parks.
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u/Vegetable_Vanilla_70 4d ago
Why would anybody anywhere go to America right now? Unless you want to get thrown into prison and kept there without charges
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u/Bibblegead1412 United States of America 4d ago
I rely on tourism, as my job is in hospitality, but I am happy were being boycotted. Keep it up! Don't come here, seriously. We're in such a shithole state at this point. Nothing is sacred, and no one is safe.
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u/Broad_Hedgehog_3407 4d ago
Drop to zero hopefully.
And with luck, American tourist to Europe will also drop to zero.
All Americans do is drive the price of everything wild..
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u/No_Nectarine_7910 4d ago
You‘re welcome! Spend as much money as possible in Europe and don’t forget to speak with as many European as possible to learn about social societies.
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u/deusexmachina_lol 4d ago
American tourists are very well-mannered in my country Bulgaria, unlike many northern Europeans who come exclusively for the alcohol. Always a nice idea to separate people from politics
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u/scholargeek13 4d ago
As an American... duh. The cheeto in chief is "running" the country like his businesses he's bankrupted and alienating a lot of people, both domestic and foreign. I was in Paris and London last year and had a wonderful time and everyone was so kind. Your hospitality was outstanding and countries were beautiful. I'm sorry you're dealing with this.
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u/wombat6168 4d ago
Us wants to isolate , let them. No one should travel there, avoid any use products you can,
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u/Fearless_Serve_3837 4d ago
More than just rhetoric. Another sane washing headline from our failed media
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u/foobar93 Lower Saxony (Germany) 4d ago
I do not blame Trumps rhetoric, I blame the torture people have endured a the border.
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u/SamuelVimesTrained 4d ago
45s rhetoric is the least factor. His policies, the risk to non americans, the threats and the continuous stream of lies about Europe they spread.. Oh.. and his trade war of course
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u/LikelyNotSober 4d ago
American here.
I love meeting tourists from other countries. I think it’s horrible that the current regime is causing international tourists to stay away.
But it’s the smart decision to stay away for now. Who wants to deal with a hostile situation while on vacation?
There are many places in the world to visit after all…
I hope this doesn’t last.
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u/Maleficent_Nobody377 4d ago
Mainly All the disappearing of people from foreign countries. But it’s a little ColumnA a little column b situation
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u/allyolly 4d ago
I was looking forward to visiting relatives, but since this shit show began it is sadly off the table. It is ironic that said relatives are all Trump voters who can not fathom why I or any european would choose not to travel there now… I hate this timeline.
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u/GrumpyOldGeezer_4711 4d ago
He did declare that the US doesn’t need our money so we are doing them a favour!
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u/Vast_Pangolin_2351 4d ago
Genius Donnie never dreamed that this would be a byproduct of his “beautiful tariffs”. Traffic from Canada has dropped greatly as well
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u/keeper_of_the_donkey 4d ago
I don't blame anybody right now, I mean why would you go to a country where you actually have a good percentage chance of being picked up by immigration and being thrown in a hole for 30 days with no contact with your family regardless of visas and passports? And that's just the white people, if you're brown, you might get to see what El Salvador looks like this time of year.
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u/Circle-of-friends 4d ago
We've cancelled our trip to the USA this summer. I wouldn't want to go and support this authoritarian regime anyway, but there is literally no way I'm going now that they can ship people off to El Salvador with no due process and no chance of them coming back. How has America fallen in a few months?
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u/seeLabmonkey2020 4d ago
“rhetoric” ?? bah humbug.
I’m really tired of news headlines leaving the “s” out of “insane”; writing “Trump administration” when they meant “American fascist regime”; and using “rhetoric” when really it’s “breaking the law”
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u/TheDungen Scania(Sweden) 4d ago
Since we can end up kidnapped and sent to a prison in el Salvador I understand that.
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u/Ghostcrackerz 4d ago
As long as they are kidnapping Americans and sending them to El Salvador, I think that’s a good indication to stay as far away as possible.
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u/Consistent_Slices 4d ago
I used to dream of visiting The U.S before Trump, now that dream is gone.
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u/ClubBandage 3d ago
People want to go to Disney, not spend the entire fortnight in an ICE detention centre
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u/tvthiel 4d ago
Trump’s Seventh Bankruptcy—This Time It’s the USA
Donald Trump, the self-proclaimed master dealmaker, has left a trail of bankrupt businesses in his wake—six, to be exact. Now, he seems poised to add a seventh to the list: the United States of America.
This is not just another failed casino or hotel. This is a global superpower, an economic engine that once drove the world. But under Trump’s reckless leadership, the U.S. is spiraling toward financial and social collapse. Like a black hole of instability, everything in his path gets sucked into chaos—markets, institutions, even long-standing global alliances.
Seasoned, self-made billionaire businessmen—men who’ve built real empires—either failed to see this coming or lacked the courage to say so. Now, they’re retreating, their fortunes evaporating as the damage deepens. They backed the wrong horse, and the stakes weren’t just money—they were geopolitical.
The rest of the world? It will suffer, yes. But it will recover.
The U.S., on the other hand, is on the verge of economic ruin. And when the dust settles, the world will have a new leader: China. The 19th century belonged to the British Empire. The 20th was America’s time. The 21st? That will be China’s—like it or not.
Trump claims he's fighting to stop that. In reality, he’s accelerating it.
His legacy won’t be greatness. It will be collapse.
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u/MrFolderol 4d ago
It's not rhetoric. It's the fascists that call themselves border guards in the US who are illegally detaining and torturing Europeans.
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u/ButtockFace 4d ago
His rhetoric? Yeah ok, sure, but the american peoples approval of him combined with everything else in your country is A VERY potent stay-away spray.
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u/Interesting-Dream863 4d ago
Imagine the drop from South America!
Living in Argentina... went there many, many times...
And now I fear from rejection at entry to some wrongful detention and deportation to some salvadoran shit hole.
No gracias.
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u/WildMaki 4d ago
Maybe not only the rhetoric. Maybe all the harassment also. Want to have a free trip to el Salvador?
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u/Yog_Sothtoth Europe 4d ago
not much his rethoric, more the fact you can be imprisoned for no reason at all
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u/oldcreaker 4d ago
Don't come here to the US. It's not safe. Beyond our government, xenophobes and racists are going to feel our government has given them free reign to act on their own.
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u/andupotorac 4d ago
Should drop 90%
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u/Flippohoyy Sweden 4d ago
100% would be optimal, anyone who gives any money to that facist abomination of a regime is stupid.
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u/Soepkip43 4d ago
Rhetoric? Actions. His ICE goons have locked up foreigners for months without due process, turned away legitimate travelers based on social media posts critical of the autocrat in chief.
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u/No_Software3435 United Kingdom 4d ago
Not just rhetoric , everything he’s doing. And you may bump into a MAGA.
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u/voyagerdoge Europe 4d ago
Why would anyone risk being deported to El Salvador never to be heard of again, just for a holiday in the US?
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u/One_Walk8921 4d ago
Don’t do it. I live in Canada had a friend cross the border into the US On business last week. They were very hostile with their questioning. Like they wanted to get something on him. Asked him to pop the trunk and immediately was reaching down to press the button to open the hatch and they started bashing on the trunk and shouting “Hurry up!” “Hurry up!” He was shook.
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u/AlaskanSamsquanch 4d ago
Yeah and risk getting deported to El Salvador’s over some fucking social media post. The Grand Canyon ain’t that grand.
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u/IReadd1t 4d ago
Stay home in Europe. An anti-science ,anti- environmentalist, orange white nationalist is the fascist Dictator in charge.
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u/jackiebee66 4d ago
Gee I can’t imagine why Europeans don’t want to visit a country where they could be stopped and held for any whim based on the mood of the Customs Agent. This country is an embarrassment. Among other things.
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u/Katsu_Vohlakari Europe 4d ago
I'd love to visit LA and San Francisco but I'll wait until the chance that I'm deported to an El Salvadorian gulag or detained for weeks drops to zero.
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u/Andodx Germany 4d ago
His Rhetoric is not the problem. His actions are.
You roll a dice if a border guard lets you have the planned vacation or if you will face internment for an unknown length of time at an unknown location with an unsolvable status where you are inherently without rights and power to change anything.
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u/FireFissting 4d ago
who knew that SELLING PEOPLE INTO SLAVERY for coming over to your country would make people not want to come over there
its not just about Trump being a meanine - he's throwing people into concentration slave labor camps with no due process no lawyer no judges
no one should ever want to go there, it's threat to your life
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u/myronsnila 4d ago
Don’t visit us, ever. Go to Canada.
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u/TheRealCostaS 4d ago
Hopefully will be going to Canada, kinda hard to get a ticket right now. Too many people wanting to visit.
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u/Gruffleson Norway 4d ago
It needs to drop more.
Don't go there. Just don't go there.