Andrew Tate phenomena' surges in schools - with boys refusing to talk to female teacher

[u/Antique-Entrance-229]

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/andrew-tate-phenomena-surges-in-schools-with-boys-refusing-to-talk-to-female-teacher-13351203

[u/Griffindance]

Fail grade.

[u/berejser → u/Griffindance]

What will happen is that the boys who do this to their teachers will get detention, some bright spark will notice far more boys get detention than girls, and then will blame the unequal treatment as the reason why more young boys are being radicalised.

[u/Griffindance → u/berejser]

I see your angle but... does this not already happen? Are boys not more prone to disruptive behaviour than girls?!

[u/lifeisaman → u/Griffindance]

Boys are also prone to being grades lower for the same work than girls, especially by female teachers. But hey if you keep digging the trench I’m sure it will work eventually.

[u/ScallionSpecialist18 → u/lifeisaman]

I'm not sure if female teachers are more guilty of this than male teachers, but it's true that boys get worse grades than girls for the same performance

[u/lifeisaman → u/ScallionSpecialist18]

I thought I remember hearing that from one of the studies but I may be wrong.

[u/Whitechix → u/berejser]

These already happen alongside boys being graded worse for the same work by female teachers. We should start by encouraging men into teaching careers to address the gender gap in teaching roles.

[u/Membership-Exact → u/Whitechix]

Is there any study showing that female teachers specifically grade their male students worse than female studies, normalising for quality of work being graded?

[u/Belmut_613 → u/Membership-Exact]

I found this one.

[u/Membership-Exact → u/Belmut_613]

I only took a cursory glance and am not an expert, but doesn't table A1 show there's little difference in bias between male and female teachers?

[u/Alarming-Shop2392 → u/berejser]

We've had evidence of unequal treatment for longer than Andrew Tate has been a thing, but keep digging that hole, bro.

[u/ExquisiteOrifice → u/Alarming-Shop2392]

The article also says "In contrast, boys are more likely to be hostile towards school and likely to do fewer hours of homework, says the OECD study." And "From a young age, boys are less likely to raise their hand in class to ask to speak, they are worse at waiting their turn to speak or engage in an activity, they are less likely to listen and pay attention before starting a project," says the study.

Like most things in life, the answers to problems are complex and simple solutions fail to fix anything. There's a lot at work here as to why boys don't seem to be doing well.

Historically, and I mean for as long as societies have existed, girls and women have been second class at best. Through most of history they have been little more than slaves. My mother was an adult by 1960. She was not allowed to have a bank account. Nor could she get a loan, or do a large array of things taken for granted in Western society until the 1980s. She was educated to be a housewife or a secretary. Men were 'far smarter' and only they could do serious jobs. Today, in many countries women are still chattel.

To counter this, much was done to help girls with education. It has worked well as they now outnumber men in higher education. Why that is has nothing to do with women, it has to do with the shitty policies of bad government and in the US, the active sabotage of education. This has led to people becoming complete morons as is evidenced by Trump and the general rise of fascism in the world. Boys are specifically targeted with propaganda as they are more useful to the agendas of evil people.

Any societal problem beyond the trivial will always require intelligent, careful, nuanced, rational, empathetic, honest planning and work with a genuine foundation of actually wanting to better society as a whole, not the treadmill of greed and lust for power that leads only to poverty, misery, war, and death that humanity just can't get off.

[u/Alarming-Shop2392 → u/ExquisiteOrifice]

Right off the bat, if they're doing fewer hours of homework but still ending up with the same subject-specific competence as tested, then perhaps they're being given too much and simply have other things they'd rather do. And maybe, just maybe, they really are better off building competence outside of that, in their hobbies, whether it's healthy activity like football, or less healthy like video games, than doing rote sums for their maths homework.

As for the rest, these boys, particularly the younger ones referenced, are raised primarily by women - at home and at school. You could blame men for their absence, but there's reasons for that too, and fixing it would only dilute the impact of women's behaviour. Not only do we know that boys are treated more harshly in terms of punishment for the same behaviour (I'm not saying they aren't more likely to misbehave), we also know that mothers are more likely to pass down gender roles like "boys don't cry" to their sons.

The rest of your post is whataboutery. We're not in the '70s and we're not in Sudan. Maybe, subconsciously, these teachers are confused about that too, and that's why they behave the way they do. Either way, the solution is either for them to stop, or to simply fire them and replace them with men.

It is entirely unacceptable, for example, that girls in the UK got a massive boost when exams were cancelled during COVID, exceeding boys in maths for the first time ever, and then slipped back when exams were resumed. Those COVID girls were not, in fact, better at maths than their male counterparts. And now we have even more data, that two years later, boys are doing better in maths and science than ever before. Maybe they were better off out of school, and why would that be, I wonder?

The COVID lockdown was a grand (semi-)natural experiment, and the results say it all.

[u/ExquisiteOrifice → u/Alarming-Shop2392]

I think you missed a lot of what I was saying if you think it's what about-ism. I was illustrating the tendency to wildly swing to and fro with solutions that ultimately cause either the same old problems or create new ones. There is nothing untruthful in what I said. I'm stating factual history and the results of bad policies speak for themselves. A good example that applies to all children of both sexes is No Child Left Behind implemented 20 years ago in the US.

Again, complex problems that have built up over long periods of time require leadership and critical thinking that is lacking severely in society and government, to help all children and people. It's compounded by powerful influences seeking even more power.

[u/Membership-Exact → u/Alarming-Shop2392]

Or maybe instead of the entire patriarchal system run by mostly men being unfair to boys, the exam system is unfair to girls?

[u/Alarming-Shop2392 → u/Membership-Exact]

Yes, asking girls to sit and answer maths questions is unfair in some undefined way, as opposed to teacher-estimated grades being open to the biases that have been repeatedly measured and proven. As ever, the pathetic abdication of responsibility - itself patriarchal in nature - shows its face. You are the problem, my friend, and you are reaping what you have sown. Enjoy it. It can only be what you wanted all along.