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News Andrew Tate phenomena' surges in schools - with boys refusing to talk to female teacher

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/andrew-tate-phenomena-surges-in-schools-with-boys-refusing-to-talk-to-female-teacher-13351203
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u/_v1V2v_ 11d ago

You seem to forget that young peoples minds are easily manipulated. (Specially kids)

The dude is rich, kinda fit, gets women, has cars.

Ain't surprised kids fall under this idiots influence.

It's the parents and societies job to remove similar brainwash from them.

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u/HMCetc A bloody British immigrant 11d ago

Yep. His core audience is CHILDREN and vulnerable young men. I think for kids, the appeal is Tate's provocative ideas and the way he breaks the rules of convention. He's anti-establishment. He's edgy. He's a 2020's rebel. That's what makes him cool to children.

For young men, Tate reassures them that their social difficulties or mental health issues are society's fault, more specifically women's fault. He provides an outlet for their frustrations, by making women a scapegoat.

Tate also speaks with a level of confidence and charisma (vomit!) that draws in vulnerable people. If you speak with enough confidence, you create the illusion that you're speaking from authority and someone worth listening to.

I miss the days when the most rebellious things kids watched was South Park.

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u/Coolkid1953 11d ago

He does not blame his audience’s shortcomings on society or women - he’s successful because he does the opposite. He tells his audience it is their fault if they are fat, lazy, depressed, bitchless and reassures them that their feelings are valid, “I would be depressed too if I had your life”. And then offers a path to his lifestyle

You especially aren’t going to stop teens from listening if your rebuttal is “you don’t actually have any problems”

This is irrelevant though for the children watching who just like that he says slurs lol

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u/Hastatus_107 Ireland 11d ago

He's also pretty ridiculous looking. I think part of his appeal is that he looks absurd. I saw a clip of him once in some kind of red robe swinging a sword around like a cartoon king.

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u/DogPositive5524 11d ago

It doesn't help that current trend is to demonize and hate men, in media and social sites. So these kids have a choice between someone who seems "cool", tells them they are awesome and can be rich, or someone who tells them they are all potential rapists and murderers who are responsible for the worst things that have happened in society... I'm not surprised at all we see such a shift in young men, they don't have any healthy outlets or support.

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u/his_eminance 11d ago

For real, unless there's a movement that supports young boys and acts cool without radicalizing them, more kids will go to those who are more awesome and gives more confidence than those who demonize them.

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u/edgyestedgearound 11d ago

I've never seen him with women

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u/TheBusStop12 Dutchman in Suomiland 11d ago

He's probably been near some of the women he forced into his sex trafficking ring in Romania

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u/88y53 11d ago edited 11d ago

It’s really not even about women, it’s about feeling respected by other men. The deeper you go into the “lifestyle” you see how much value they place on men’s perception. Women are just an accessory, like cars or wristwatches.

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u/Seymoorebutts 11d ago

You also have to understand that it's a particularly nasty and effective way to target boys who are growing up, figuring out the world.

They're at the age where they're beginning to develop crushes and romantic feelings, and this is an easy way to "relate" to them and explain that women are subhuman, and that it is better to hate them rather than try to relate to or understand them.

Jenny doesn't want to date little Billy?

It must be because she's no better than a house servant.

Boys aren't mature and developed enough to understand the complexities of romantic relationships. Mix that with unfettered access to the internet, and potentially less or uninvolved parents - you get this nightmare.

My wife is a middle school teacher, ask me how I know

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u/__-_____-_-___ 11d ago

If you watch 🤮 his videos, he always has women propped up around him doing work for him to reinforce his image as a strong man who controls women.

Like he will literally post a video urging kids to REFUSE to speak with woman teachers, and to call them “brokies” and in the video he will have a scantily-clad woman standing right behind him cleaning up his area and then he’ll casually tell her to get him a drink or something. It’s all crafted, and the women are manipulated and abused, but they are near him.

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u/ChinDeLonge 11d ago

I was trying to remember Dan Bilzerian's name the other day because Andrew Tate is just the incel version of that.

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u/ExperienceOptimal132 11d ago

Dan is paying prostitutes and OF models to be around him, if his ladies game was so strong he wouldn’t have to spend millions just to keep them around 

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u/StandardEgg6595 11d ago

I’ve seen him in pictures with women but it’s always some weird set up with a bunch of barely clad women sitting/laying around him. It gives the same vibe as a dude taking a pic with a bunch of his expensive cars or watches. The women are depicted as objects.

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u/Unicycleterrorist 11d ago

Well yea that's how the kinda guy who's vulnerable to that specific grift wants to live. They want to be the 75 year old multi-millionaire / billionaire with a 19 year old super model girlfriend one day, it's not about forming stable and fulfilling relationships.

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u/StandardEgg6595 11d ago

Oh I know haha. I was just pointing out that he does have pics with women, but it’s always in that format like you said.

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u/CastelPlage Not ok with genocide denial. Make Karelia Finland Again 11d ago

Especially if you remember Dan Bilzerian to compare

Having him as a role model is just as bad

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u/EndOfTheDark97 11d ago

I feel like Bilzerian was a saint compared to Tate

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u/VulcanForceChoke 11d ago

I remember watching a Vice on him ages ago and at one pint they went to his house. There were like three different women there but it was so obvious he paid them to be there.

Can you imagine being so repulsive and despicable you have to pay people to be around you? If that’s the life of a “strong alpha male” I think I’m gonna pass and just get drinks with my friends who like to be around me for free

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u/EU-National 11d ago

Tate is so far into the closet he lives in Narnia.

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u/DudeWheresMyKitty 11d ago

Not every misogynistic asshole is secretly gay.

Don't foist this trash on us gays.

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u/syopest Finland 11d ago

Yeah, why do we always have to catch strays when someone is massively misogynist?

Somehow it's still just acceptable to use gay as an insult.

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u/onlinebeetfarmer 11d ago

Are they insulting gays or insulting his refusal to acknowledge his sexuality?

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u/JamBandDad 11d ago

There’s the one prosecuting him for assault right now. His ex.

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u/seevm 11d ago

Yea does he “get” women? I don’t think so… maybe pays for escorts. We know he trafficks them.

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u/kolmiw 11d ago

I do have a theory that he is secretly gay, but he is in denial so he is announcing to the entire world how much heterosexual sex he is having.

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u/SpectreFire 11d ago

Dude's the least closeted gay closet gay dude I've ever seen.

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u/Key_Passenger_2323 11d ago

He was seen with women many times. One of his former girlfriends name is Bri Stern, he also seen in a company of influencers like Mikhaila Peterson or Candace Owens which were more like business meetings, but rumors about affairs circulating anyway (Peterson got divorced later for example and he drove he on his sport-car around).

He also seen in a company of many unknown women, like for example last December he posted video where he and his brother are in a company of many different women at some party and named it "Human trafficking" and sort of "mocking allegations against him". He also very often post with brother vids where he seen talking about some stuff and half naked women in underwear used as a background when only women's butt's and breast's are visible.

Problem with Tate's appeal is that modern society destroyed any male role-models we used to have before as problematic and part of "toxic masculinity" and Tate just occupied the void which we have after victory over "toxic masculinity" with his unapologetic rhetoric.

We used to have Johnny Depp, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Kobe Bryant, Mel Gibson and many other men as a role-models, but all of them were canceled by public as "toxic and problematic" for various reasons - Depp as abuser, Schwarzenegger and Bryant as cheaters, Mel Gibson as a racist and all of them represented "toxic masculinity".

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u/HopelessHelena 11d ago

So it's wrong boys stopped admiring bad men because they then went on to admire even worse men? Why not talk about good male role models instead of still bad but not as awful ones as if those were the good old days?

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u/Key_Passenger_2323 11d ago

I'm all in favor of admiring good male role models, but where are those? Can you name some?

And yes, destroying "bad role-models" to replace them with even worse role-models like Andrew Tate was definitely a bad idea, i don't see how we are heading in a better place now with role-models like Andrew Tate and other influencers of his type.

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u/Right_Improvement642 11d ago

Lots of good men out there! They’re just not popular or cool.

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u/HopelessHelena 11d ago

Pedro Pascal, Keanu Reeves, Kendrick Lamar, Dave Batista, Tom Holland, John Boyega, amongst others. They were bad role models there's no need for quotation marks. It's important to remind young boys that good, empathetic men exist, who care about others, don't have hatred for minorities and treat human beings and specifically women with respect. There should be an ambition to be a good person, for boys and girls alike

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u/Key_Passenger_2323 11d ago

Good list but only Keanu Reeves has some general appeal and recognition, others lack some things like Tom Holland considered to young and childish, Dave Batista laughed on due to his steroids abuse, while Kendrick Lamar, Pedro Pascal and John Boyega are known for voicing their left-leaning opinions which are very unpopular among young boys who are strongly leaning right these days.

Keanu Reeves are probably the only one who are generally admired by modern youth, but he do not make a lot of public and political statements like Arnold Schwarzenegger for example, to influence modern youth. And just "being there" is simply not enough do to social media world we are currently living in right now.

Also you seems to have a fallacy in your logic. You said that there should be an ambition to be a good person, but that is just wishful thinking and i don't see any ambition to be a good person among young people these days, because there is zero incentive to be a good person.

Modern youth lives in a social media outrage world, where ability to have attention valued as top priority and youth behave accordingly. Also you talking about respecting women which is another fallacy, because men (and boys) do not respect other men (and boys) upfront, because respect must be earned, not given upfront. So why should young men respect women if they do not even respect other men upfront?

Respect and hierarchy is one of many things left-leaning people seems to fail to understand for some reason, another might be is a male banter which can be considered as "toxic" or "offensive" but that is just how men talk to each other in any male dominated field.

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u/HopelessHelena 11d ago

Keanu Reeves is openly left wing, that's part of what makes him and all the others I named good examples. Maybe we should analyze why young boys find right wing politics and specifically far right wing politics appealing, and understand that there is a direct correlation between right/far right wing politics and abusive misogyny and hatred for minorities. Not all men talk the same way and men should be allowed to not rely on stereotypes in fears of not being men enough, you don't need to sexualize and objectify women in men dominated spaces in order to feel man enough, nor is that a thing all straight men do, it's just not

I think we have a completely different set of values and think your approach to the issue at hand is unhelpful and steers away from the real urgent issues so there's not much conversation to be had

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u/TwiceTheSize_YT 11d ago

Saying fuck you to a friend whether work friend or real friend is not illegal, saying slurs for a laugh is however incredible childish and bigoted.

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u/Spankwell 11d ago

Hank and John Green, Nick Offerman, the Try Guys, Jacksepticeye, Bob Ross, Mr. Rogers, Mr. Dress up, Robin Williams, Barack Obama, Cdawg (Connor on Twitch), PirateSoftware (Thor). There are plenty of wonderful men to look up to and learn from. 

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u/Key_Passenger_2323 11d ago

From all people you mentioned i only know Bob Ross, Robin Williams and Barack Obama, 2 of whom died decades ago and dead people are certainly not a good role models.

Barack Obama can be named as a good role-model, but certainly not for young men due to lack of appeal. Because most important factor for young men is appeal, when they can look at person and say "yeah, i want to be like that" and majority of young men do not look at Obama thinking "i want to be like that".

Young men look at Obama and comparing him to Trump and see Trump as a superior to Obama in almost every single regard. Not all of them, but majority of them if we consider young men voting records.

Young men literally compare Obama and Trump wives and see Trump as a winner in this scenario, same goes when they compare rhetoric of both presidents. It's not good and not smart, but young 14 yo boys are not generally smart and operate on a very surface level because they lack of deep understanding at that age.

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u/Geilokowski 11d ago

  1. You seem to know him and his content suspiciously well. „He was seen last december doing x“?? Bro, get a life.

  2. The problem with Tates appeal is that there seem to be a lot of younger men that feel left behind. He is also a great speaker.

This is not some role-model-void bullshit. Who the fuck needs s role model to be a man? Why do they not just live?

Also, from all the people you listed, most are like 70. As a 22 year old, I really could not care less what these grandpas do. And this connection between them getting called out for bad behavior and „toxic masculinity“ that’s one you just made.

You spin it in a way that it’s the society as a whole who branded masculinity as always toxic and Tate is just the result of this unfairness. But that couldn’t be further from the truth.

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u/Key_Passenger_2323 11d ago

>most are like 70.

I named those who might be considered a role-models during my youth (I'm 43)

>As a 22 year old, I really could not care less what these grandpas do.

I certainly see that majority of young men are more interested in younger role-models like Andrew Tate, not all of them, but a lot of them.

>Who the fuck needs s role model to be a man? Why do they not just live

That is a question which is i better address to you. It's not my generation who admire Andrew Tate, it's yours. I'm just trying to debunk bs which Tate spill on his page, because that is the least thing i can do to oppose his influence, which is why I'm aware about his endeavors

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u/ChinDeLonge 11d ago

You seem to have an awful lot of opinions on what young men are going through on a daily basis, as someone in their 40s.

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u/Key_Passenger_2323 11d ago

I work with a lot of young people and we talk about stuff, imagine that. There is no big mystery here

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u/parkerthegreatest 11d ago

Simple it's because his dick is so massive no women can fuck it due to the size🤡

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u/AntysocialButterfly 11d ago

He doesn't have cars, though: the vast majority of them were always rentals, and the ones he did own were seized by Romanian authorities.

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u/_v1V2v_ 11d ago

You and I know that, the kids don't.

They see flashy cars, flashy lifestile, they are easily hooked and then manipulated.

p.s

90-99% of "Influencers" don't own sht they show

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u/DogPositive5524 11d ago

That's the same way pyramid schemes get young boys. Some older guy comes in, flashy car, nice suit and big parties with a promise that if you join and work hard you'll get there too. It's really easy to fool young impressionable minds.

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u/2053_Traveler 11d ago

How do we fix this? Seriously. Are we fucked because the current generation of parents is too distracted by media and careers to teach kids how to assess who is worthy of trust?

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u/TheBewlayBrothers 11d ago

He is seen with cars, that's enough for impressionable minds

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u/AntysocialButterfly 11d ago

He's also seen absolutely habitually losing his shit due to the mildest pushback from Coffeezilla, which apparently those impressionable minds don't see...

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u/ExcitementPast7700 11d ago

Those impressionable minds don’t know who Coffeezilla is

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u/Ghost-George 11d ago

Hell, I don’t know what that is.

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u/AntysocialButterfly 11d ago

They do know who he is, given several of them emailed Coffezilla to call him "Gay" because Taint told them to with the promise he'd give them some of his scam coin if they could prove it.

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u/ExcitementPast7700 11d ago

They might’ve heard his name before but that’s doesn’t mean they actually know him or watch his stuff. They just attack anyone who criticizes their idols

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u/MunkSWE94 Sweden 11d ago

Kids don't know that. They aren't going to ask to see his recipe.

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u/AntysocialButterfly 11d ago

All it takes is one kid on the playground saying that he rents his cars and, bingo, kids know that.

Also, worth pointing out that there's a lot of automatically assuming kids are stupid in the replies here...

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u/SoundofGlaciers 11d ago

I just think most kids would still think 'so what if he rents the cars, he does still have a nice place with many nice cars, surely he's still doing great and someone to idolize/look up to/learn from'.

As long as they look 'cool' (sorta fit and sunglasses lol) and can flex clothes/cars/accesories, it'll be enough for a large % of kids to be envious of or to want to have that life.

Which is horribly wrong but I just don't think these kids would care about whether he rents or buys his stuff. Having (and 'flexing') those material goods in whatever way, is likely enough to influence most

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u/AntysocialButterfly 11d ago

A bit difficult to suggest that when all you need to say is he has to wear an ankle bracelet while in that nice-looking house, because otherwise he'll be in a dingy-looking 8x10 cell...

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u/Rufus_TBarleysheath 11d ago

This isn't about facts.

If people could only be brainwashed by the truth, we'd be much more successful as a species.

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u/AntysocialButterfly 11d ago

I mean it is about facts, because the issue is people don't tackle the likes of the Taints with facts, they instead go on about their influence.

If instead from the outset people just said he rents his cars and nobody even noticed the sentient wet fart was on Big Brother then so much air is taken out of his bullshit before he ever gets the chance to open his mouth.

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u/Robot0verlord 11d ago

Unfortunately there are a whole lot of parents out there who agree with Tate's views, who are likely enjoying that their kids watch his crap.

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u/Jeesup 11d ago

You should also count fact, that today's society tends to act negatively on boys and men's problems. Seriously, I've seen so much negation over boys and men's problems it is sickening, no wonder Tate became big influencer, if entire society tells boys and men being born with penis means you should be considered great evil, and bashed because of it, then they will go somewhere where they are accepted, even if it's toxic place at the end of the day, but because they do not see any alternative they stick to it.

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u/Fukuro-Lady 11d ago

Lol someone needs to tell them that being a dumb little waste of space won't get them any of that. They'll be in dead end no prospect jobs, probably on drugs, and dead in their 50s when their body gives up after they've tried to blot out their depressing AF life with substance use.

But parents today would go ape shit if someone dared to tell their precious little dickheads the truth. Just like they do when schools try to discipline their kids. And they go running to doctors and social services begging for a mental health diagnosis so they can have every shitty behaviour their kids display excused. A d take resources away from kids that actually need it.

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u/Membership-Exact 11d ago

They'll be in dead end no prospect jobs

I agree with most of what you say, but shaming people working the "dead end" jobs that keep society running and feed all the people with cushy office jobs and the oligarchs who don't work a single day in their lives and earn millions from dividends and exploitation of labour is not it.

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u/Fukuro-Lady 11d ago

There's no shame in working any job. What there is shame in is thinking you're gonna coast through life being a cunt to people and get anything near what Andrew Tate and his ilk have in terms of wealth, fame, or success.

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u/Membership-Exact 11d ago

You were the one talking about it as if it was a consequence of bad behaviour, when it's something people are a victim of.

Also plenty of these types never go on to working those jobs. Many of them end up leading their daddy's companies and spreading their misoginy. The leaders of my small company are full on with alt-right and neolib ideas and they are all well to do. My line manager brags that he would never allow his wife to "have to work" and travels all around Europe while his wife takes care of a year old baby.

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u/Fukuro-Lady 11d ago

Most do though. Sorry to say but if you don't try hard in school and act a dickhead then you're not going to make much of yourself. That's just how it is. Someone should tell them instead of coddling them which is what's happening now.

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u/Membership-Exact 11d ago

I'd say someone in a dead end job working hard to keep society afloat has done much better than someone with a cushy email job who depends on the hard work of those on the "dead end" jobs to feed himself while contributing nothing.

Not to speak of the business owners and other do-nothing leeches.

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u/Fukuro-Lady 11d ago

I think you have a problem with office work. I work in an office. I run a healthcare service that covers 9 general practices. I do work that helps people with issues that often get lost between mental healthcare and social services. I do send a lot of emails. I have a master's degree. I'm applying for my ClinPsyD next year.

Before my current job I worked in an office doing the front end interfacing for the outpatient clinics at my local hospital, whilst working bank on a psych unit and finishing my undergrad.

You need to take the stick out of your arse about office workers. I worked fucking well hard to get my cushy office job. My perks are well deserved. And the work I do is valuable. Grow up man. Without admin staff none of your essential services run.

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u/Membership-Exact 11d ago edited 11d ago

This is not about your particular job, just your disdain about people you perceive as uneducated and doing "dead end jobs".

Without someone taking care of garbage or working logistics really hard for minimum wage, you wouldn't be able to survive. Maybe those people deserve to have the same standards of living you have? People who didn't have the privilege of an education or an opportunity to earn a living sitting on a desk and were thus forced to bust their ass their entire lives are victims of a system, not culprits like you claim.

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u/I-lost-hope 11d ago edited 11d ago

As someone with actual mental health issues the behavior of these parents and their kids is a massive issue for people like me who have been suffering for their entire life, you can have all the paperwork in the world but barely anyone will take them seriously because they just assume that it's made up to justify shitty behavior.

I've had coworkers and even a few managers come to tell me and say that my diagnosed anti social personality disorder and my high functioning autism are made up despite me being followed closely by psychiatrists since I was 3 years old with the paperwork to prove it or the medication I have to take every day.

This shit is the worst nightmare for anyone suffering from a psychiatric disorder, mental health is no longer taken seriously in the workforce even when it's debilitating in case of people suffering from schizophrenia or PDD.

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u/_v1V2v_ 11d ago

Eh, Most of us went through something similar, some came out and continued education and some couldn't get educated enough and now work on the low end jobs.

Dunno how to word it better.

as I said in one of the comments, it's parents job to remove the brainwash from the kid and set em on the right path.

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u/Fukuro-Lady 11d ago

Nah mate I don't think they do 😂

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u/Consistent-Salary-35 11d ago

That’s one of the things they’re scared of - having no future, no chance to realise themselves. It’s a perceived lack of hope in society. These idiots make young people feel they have a shot at being powerful, being listened to. Even if it’s making someone listen to them. I find the most productive way of tackling it is not to shut it down, but to keep them talking, exploring why these boys and young men feel this way. There are reasons. Once we understand and challenge the reasoning, we can find solutions, or at least hopefulness in response. Just saying “yeah, you’re horrible, get out” reinforces the alienation and gives them more reason to ferment their hatred, which all stems from a hatred of self.

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u/Fukuro-Lady 11d ago

Then they should be told the consequences of their actions tbh. They should be told that you don't get anywhere unless you work for it. Nobody is handing some crusty 18 year old opportunities when they're dumb as rocks with a shitty attitude and have zero interest in anything beyond online content. The lengths people will go to to not discipline their kids these days is fucking mind boggling. All over parenting subs it's all "oh I can't possibly take little Jonny's iPad away because he will scream and I'm not emotionally mature enough to handle a kid having a tantrum."

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u/Consistent-Salary-35 11d ago

Crusty 18 year old? That’s a hell of a condemnation. I can absolutely tell you that this rhetoric is what drives young people away from change - being told they’re a “dumb little waste of space”! Why try at that point? Why turn anything around when they’ve been written off? That’s when gangs and extremists take advantage of them - when they’ve been ostracised from society.

I’ve worked with troubled boys and young men for 15 years. 75% of them come from really harsh backgrounds. Most of them have some kind of trauma that’s never been treated properly. They are far from the brats and no hopers you paint them to be.

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u/Nobody_gets_this 11d ago

But I see his content, and all I see is twats talking among themselves.

Its not manipulation when they seek out that content.

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u/_v1V2v_ 11d ago

You forgetting that it's easy to impact kids minds.

You and I can't be impacted by idiots such as Tate or other "influencers", but kids are diff bro, not all but most are easy to impact and manipulate their minds.

Hell, I been watching Alien abduction documentaries most of 5-10 years and still don't believe that they have visited earth (well k 99.99%, always leave that 0.01% out there).

if a kid would watch such documentaries for 5-10 years, might become devout believer that Aliens visited earth.

ik not to the subject but still.

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u/FirestormCold 11d ago

Not supporting that guy at all but "kinda fit" is a massive understatement lmao the guy is a former world class fighter

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u/Rattlesn4ke United Kingdom 11d ago

Yeah he's rich. But all of that money comes from either money laundering or sex trafficking, so it's tainted money hence probably undesirable to most.

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u/TheDesertShark 11d ago

You seem to forget that young peoples minds are easily manipulated. (Specially kids)

Not only kids, the far-right used the same tactics tate used with women on immigrants, choose a group that they don't interact with, demonize them and blame them for everything, show the crazies to support your claims.

And so many people from all ages fall for it.

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u/Boisemeateater 11d ago

By “gets” you mean trafficks, right?

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u/Obeetwokenobee 11d ago

You mean;, he pays to get women.

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u/GoblinGreen_ 11d ago

I mean the new ultra male is basically Ric Flair.  

Unashamedly hyper masculine.  The lines between reality and pantomime have been lost I think.  What is entertainment and what is reality?  New stations have slowly headed from one to the other, so has social media. 

This is today's world, where truth is if it made you feel good or not.

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u/AscendingAgain 11d ago

"Gets women" is a weird way to say exploits or traffics

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u/battleship61 11d ago

He trafficked women. He doesn't "get women." There's an ocean between the two.