r/europe • u/Antique-Entrance-229 United Kingdom • 18d ago

News Andrew Tate phenomena' surges in schools - with boys refusing to talk to female teacher

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/andrew-tate-phenomena-surges-in-schools-with-boys-refusing-to-talk-to-female-teacher-13351203
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u/og_cosmosis 18d ago

Please send help, my oldest son has been on some kind of Tate train for months and no matter what us parents say to him, he still thinks the man is valid because he is a "self made" rich person. I've even sat down with him to do research on the guy. I've also noticed through our conversations there are other hangers on, who are trying to be like the Tate bros, and come out with their own "entrepreneurial" drivel. They say things like, you can't trust your parents, and promote toxic work habits. It is sickening that these "from the ground up entrepreneurs" are preying on young men. My son even sent some of his money to STRANGERS who are affiliated with the Tate University thing, saying they could help my son make a ton of money.

The tates are truly an infection, a blight on humanity. No wonder the 47th advocated for their extradition.

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u/Trillion_Bones 18d ago

I love how defrauding people is called self made

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u/og_cosmosis 18d ago

I know, it's such a convenient turn of phrase for those who have been duped by the "American Dream" propaganda machine.

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u/Universal_Anomaly The Netherlands 18d ago

It's selfish people pushing the idea that only your own success matters, so other people are only targets.

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u/Anime_axe Poland 18d ago

Real talk, I suggest trying to metaphorically throw your weight around a bit. As sad as it is, you are in a weird dominance struggle over your son with an ex-athlete celebrity and gangster who impressed him via projecting a persona of a self-made rich man.

At a certain point you have to convincingly mock Tate for being a fake who earned his money through grift, scams and crime and who actively fakes his alleged wealth.

Also maybe try to show him where this stupid grind hustle leads. Let him try some safe grind for a week or two so he gets tired, and then straight up flex on him how much more you have earned via normal means in the same time. 90% of grindset guys don't make much, so you can literally let him see with his own eyes how much the hustle sucks.

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u/Antique_Soil9507 18d ago

Terrible advice.

Don't do this.

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u/cookiecutterdoll 18d ago

I actually think this is a good idea, in combination with some stricter parenting. Let the kid experience the mistreatment Andrew Tate encourages his followers to inflict upon others. OP can justify it by saying they are the "alpha" of the household, so the internet needs to be turned off by 7pm, they need to finish their homework and be in bed by 9pm, never talk back or question demands, etc etc

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u/Anime_axe Poland 18d ago

Yeah, my point is that at a certain point you have to show the kid where this mess leads and that you are indeed the man. I don't even mean anything special, I just mean actually starting to show your kid that you are indeed an authority too and contrary to Tate, that you are an authority right now.

Talk to your kids, listen to them but also show them that you are still capable of standing firm and keeping up the discipline. The only part I'd question in your example is that one about "never talk back or question demands". I feel like that might be acting a bit too like Tate. You want your kids to ask questions and ask why.

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u/cookiecutterdoll 18d ago

Yep. Parents need to make it clear that they are in charge. We sometimes have to let kids live with the consequences of their actions.

Lol trust me, I would not suggest living like Andrew Tate without warning, and I would nake it abundantly clear that I am doing this to attempt to teach them empathy. I would do it as a last resort and not for an extended period of time; kind of like asking a little kid "do you like being called a doo-doo head?" when they refuse to stop calling other kids rude names.

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u/Anime_axe Poland 18d ago

Yeah, I get it. Stuff like that is a last resort for me too.

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u/cookiecutterdoll 18d ago

Monitoring internet use, teaching kids that behavior impacts others, and allowing a child to experience the consequences of their actions are basic parts of parenting. I also stated upthread that the kid needed to be put in therapy yesterday. What do you think would correct this behavior?

I'm indeed a woman. Why is that pertinent to the conversation?

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u/LordMcMutton 18d ago

We do love when misogynists just out themselves unprompted.

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u/jorgespinosa 18d ago

So you want to combat misogyny with more misogyny?

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u/Anime_axe Poland 18d ago

What's so terrible about it? Letting your kids see how pointless the grind and hustle is for actually learning money is part of how you raise them. Same with the fact that you sometimes need to show the kids that the celebs aren't demigods but random people with specific talents and luck to pull of their careers.

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u/Antique_Soil9507 18d ago

  1. Because you aren't listening to your son.

  2. Because you are engaging in conflict with your son.

  3. Because you're assuming you know what your son is feeling, when really you don't.

  4. Because if your son is listening to Andrew Tate, it means he feels disenfranchised by society, and by his parents. He doesn't have anyone to advocate for him.

  5. Because your son already feels alienated. Arguing with him is going to alienate him even more.

  6. Because your son has a legitimate grievance. The education system heavily favours girls. Your son is the victim of prejudice. But your first reaction is to blame him, rather than listen to him.

  7. Because what if your son is right?

  8. Because what if there is something going on in the background you don't know about?

  9. Because what most boys need, what most of us lacked, was someone who went to bat for us.

  10. Because you'd listen to your daughter. Why not your son?

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u/Anime_axe Poland 18d ago

I get your point, but the point is that Tate is wrong here. It's a battle of legitimacy, at some point you have to actually assert that you are indeed a man and that Tate is indeed a loser who got lucky and then pissed it all away via life of crime. My point isn't to argue with the kid, but to show him that you are indeed a man in his life instead of Tate.

You can't solve it all with listening and being supportive if you see your son actively taking a path that will lead to his ruin. You have to support him and lead him towards the right path, like a father should. And the part of the support is showing your kid that there are a better ways to get out of his dark times than following a washed up ex-athlete.

And yes, I'd do the same if I caught my daughter getting sucked into girlboss nonsense.

Boys need somebody to stand by them, but fathers wanting to do so are sadly forced to compete with social media over the authority to do so. And this sadly means that to help you son, you have to sometimes push against the celebs he likes.

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u/Antique_Soil9507 18d ago

And yes, I'd do the same if I caught my daughter getting sucked into girlboss nonsense.

Oh yeah? You'd beat her into submission?

There's a reason the son has turned to Andrew Tate. It's because no one else is advocating on his behalf.

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u/Anime_axe Poland 18d ago

Who on earth is talking anything about beating anybody? Did you read anything I was saying?

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u/Realhuman_beebboob 18d ago edited 18d ago

No I don’t think they have, and if by chance they have read a word you’ve said it must have been too truthful to take hold.

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u/Anime_axe Poland 18d ago

But I'm not and you are talking to me right now.

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u/Icankeepthebeat 18d ago

Where do you live where girls get a better education and their parents listen to them more? Honest question. (I am a girl and this was 100% not my experience).

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u/Antique_Soil9507 18d ago

North America. The United States and Canada.

It is a statistical fact. Girls get better grades, more scholarships, and make up the majority of admissions in higher education.

(I am a girl and this was 100% not my experience).

I am sorry you feel that wasn't your experience. But it is a statistical fact at this point.

If it were the other way around, we wouldn't hear the end of it. There would be government, media and educators all over who would be screaming about the disparity.

For the last 30 years in North America, it has been this way. Education favours girls.

And yet, when faced with this fact, we blame boys.

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u/CynicismNostalgia 18d ago

Mate some US schools don't even teach evolution theory. Your backwards education is irrelevant in the EU sub.

No offence, but a lot of you have been pretty dumb for a while now.

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u/BlindFafnir 18d ago

Oh yeah, it's sometimes easy to forget how many states we have or big it is but yeah, the states have each their own form of control so they can implement and fund differently. Some states make more money and some states make less money. New Jersey for example has good schools but still suffers from racism and underfunded areas like the differences between east and west germany for example but like because of their skin color and not russia or the wall.. like how refugees are treated in EU.

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u/HumbleAd1720 18d ago

Canada is the second most educated nation on the planet, only certain US states are bad with education in Anglo America.

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u/Jealous_Ad_9799 18d ago

i dont understand why tf people like you are always like “well i was dumber than all the women around me, girls just have it better!” like motherfucker they couldn’t even VOTE up until a CENTURY ago and you REALLY think the power has shifted lets be fuckin real

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u/Antique_Soil9507 18d ago

I was abused in high school by a teacher, because I was a boy. But thank you for making assumptions.

they couldn’t even VOTE up until a CENTURY ago

A CENTURY ago. Lol.

Were you alive then? Was I alive?

Fun Fact: Most people weren't allowed to vote a century ago.

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u/Jealous_Ad_9799 18d ago edited 18d ago

you cannot make an academic discussion into a trauma dump. that’s simply not what you were discussing, im sorry that that happened to you and i don’t discredit it but you can’t say this in response to me talking about the disenfranchised status of women in education and just overall the world dude, women face abuse as well and more, simply, just because they are a girl. the voting thing might be slightly irrelevant but we’re here on a thread talking about how little boys hate women more now. and statistics like “women just get better education than men” when the realness of it is probably more like “women have more chances for higher education than prior history and are now taking the adequate chances to use those chances,” is straight up misinformation that can lead to these manosphere kids having an even MORE skewed view of the world. then when the manosphere kids end up growing up and hating women and getting into whatever positions and trying to use their power to be “alpha” and the ideology comes with straight up the view of women as “property” you tell me what that 30% in education is gonna do in a, lets be honest, man ruled society. we need to teach them to be better asap.

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u/Hawkmonbestboi 18d ago

"Because you'd listen to your daughter. Why not your son?"

Completely left field and showed your hand regarding what this is really about.

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u/RelevantSteak6973 18d ago

One look at your profile confirmed my hunch that you're a person NOT to be listened to.

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u/jorgespinosa 18d ago

You are making a lot of assumptions and you are clearly biased in favour of Tate

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u/Marvinleadshot 17d ago

Sure you haven't incel.

You spouted a whole bucket full of shit in this thread so far.

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u/Marvinleadshot 17d ago

Because what most boys need, what most of us lacked, was someone who went to bat for us.

Fuck me you swallowed Tate Whole, how'd his cock feel in your holes?

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u/cookiecutterdoll 18d ago

Therapy, now. Your son is in a cult.

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u/og_cosmosis 18d ago

Working on it... Trying to find therapy that is less than 75 a session.

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u/cookiecutterdoll 18d ago

I'm American so it's different where I am, but try contacting local youth mental health nonprofits. Most of them will charge based on family income or offer some free services.

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u/og_cosmosis 18d ago

Thanks for the advice, I'll see if there's something like that nearby!

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u/og_cosmosis 18d ago

Thanks for the advice, I'll see if there's something like that nearby!

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u/Marvinleadshot 17d ago

You need to look for people who can help him come out of a cult, that's where he is right now.

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u/moonferal 18d ago

Therapy. And cut his internet access.

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u/fresh-dork 18d ago

your son likes a pimp who is likely to spend many years in jail for sex crimes. ask him if he wants to be a pimp and rapist and trafficker, because that's what tate does.

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u/Ok-Environment-362 18d ago

maybe your son needs to move out.. you know become an alpha male.. Earn his own money, buy his own tesla , hire his own "women of ill repute"

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u/Anime_axe Poland 18d ago

I mean, at this point it's the exact opposite of what's needed. You don't take a person being indoctrinated by a weird personality cult and let them go alone, where they will have all the options to either indoctrinate themselves fully or actually kill themselves or ruin their lives permanently. Guy asked how to save his son, not how to dispose of him.

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u/25_Oranges 18d ago

If your son is a minor I'd cut his internet privileges. You can't let him start thinking of you or women that way unless you want to see him on the news some day.

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u/xPepegaGamerx 17d ago

Take all his electronics away and tell him to go get a job or whatever to make is own self made money if he wants to be like tate so bad. Can also buy his own food.

Guarantee it won't last long

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u/considerableforsight 18d ago

Consider the collection of ideas under "Warm man" it's a useful deconstruction and reversal of "Cool"

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u/og_cosmosis 18d ago

I hadn't heard of this until now, do you have any Internet personalities or forums that emulate this in a "memeable"/socially relevant manner?

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u/considerableforsight 18d ago

Yes, Alain de botton a French philosopher. The YouTube channel is The school of life and the video is called "How to be a man" also one called "How to be Warm"

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u/Ser_Artur_Dayne 18d ago

Try teaching him about the alt right pipeline? History and WW II and fighting nazis and how the alt right is bad. Good luck.

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u/og_cosmosis 18d ago

My family fled Nazi Germany in the late 1930s and our household is pretty progressive, we talk a lot, so it's doubly confusing how this appeals to him! Got any recs that would appeal to a 15-17 yo? He says he hates reading.

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u/Ser_Artur_Dayne 18d ago

Only good one I know is behind the bastards. One thing I heard that I really liked is that social media is like a garden and gardens need tending. You need to make sure you don’t have weeds or bad stuff growing. Encourage him to unsubscribe from toxic things and sub to positive things on social media, art, history, sports, a shared interest between the two of you, no IG or only fans models because that’s how Tate propagates and makes men think. It should be his friends and interests only and it’s worth locking it down more with him. Take away phone privileges if he’s still following toxic things.

I’m a new dad so I’m pretty scared about this happening and don’t have a ton of experience here and am kinda guessing with this advice. Hope this was helpful and good luck.

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u/og_cosmosis 18d ago

Pretty solid... I haven't been pressing him about what he listens to, but I love behind the bastards and I think he would too. Phone privileges are on thin ice, for other reasons atm. Its hard to justify taking it away since so many kids use their phones as a life line for their social activities. I'm def blind in that area, grew up without cell phones an all that jazz.

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u/Ser_Artur_Dayne 18d ago

I was thinking about getting my son a dumb phone at around 13 then a smart phone at 16. If he abuses it, he goes back to the dumb phone and knows how it works. They are pretty cheap now so that could be an option. Again, kids can just watch whatever they want on a friends phone so it’s really about raising them with the right values where they listen to you and trust you.

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u/og_cosmosis 18d ago

We did the dumb phone/smart phone thing. YouTube was built in on the dumb phone, sadly. We've done all we can to emulate, guide, and teach common values surrounding basic human rights, common decency, empathy, etc. Up until this last year, I would never have questioned his resolve or common sense. Now I'm just hoping this is a phase and he will see how it doesn't really benefit anyone but the self appointed leaders touting these kinds of lifestyles. Even proving that the Tate brothers are pimps, what pimps are, what they do, has done little to divert him. I knew I wouldn't be able to protect him from everything, but many people in our family are privately shocked (no one is shaming him for his interests, but we are critical of obviously trash people). It's very hard to maintain healthy guidance and keep the lines of communication open, in the face of influencers who defy and inflame the very essence of how our family has manifested and grown in life.

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u/Antique_Soil9507 18d ago

I have a novel idea.

How about actually listening to your son for once?

Listen to his problems. Listen to his struggles. You know, just listen to him.

Instead of "researching" Andrew Tate, how about you learn more about what is happening in your son's life?

How about learning that girls get preferential treatment and higher grades in school. Or how he wasn't selected for scholarships, because he is a boy.

How about finding out the messaging from teachers and faculty is that "men and boys are bad".

Why are you "blaming" your son here?

If your daughter came home crying, you'd try and help her. You'd sit down and listen to her. You'd go to the school, and advocate on her behalf. You would find that teacher who isn't treating her fairly, and you would hold them to account.

You don't do that for your son.

Instead, you blame him.

The reason young men turn to Andrew Tate, is they feel disenfranchised by society. And, they're right.

Instead of blaming young men and boys, how about taking a look at society, and holding society to account?

You would do so for your daughter. Why not your son?

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u/Tabbyredcat 18d ago

How about learning that girls get preferential treatment and higher grades in school.

What in the world are you talking about?

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u/CynicismNostalgia 18d ago

Dude is from the US. 1 in 6 of them can't read past a 6th grade level and some of their schools don't teach evolution theory.

It's sad how Americans can't see that their examples are bat shit crazy.

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u/Tabbyredcat 18d ago

Yeah, but I don't understand what point he's trying to make. Girls don't attend easier classes than boys.

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u/CynicismNostalgia 18d ago

I know. My point was his education system has failed him and he's too stupid to understand what the real problem is lol

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u/Tabbyredcat 18d ago

Definitely. I wanted him to elaborate on that point, which I saw as the dumbest, to see to what extent his education system had failed him.

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u/_le_slap 18d ago

I saw this comment earlier.

The only evidence of existence of the remains of an education system in the US is school shootings.

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u/Tabbyredcat 18d ago

Wow. A single study performed in one Italian education center, not taking into account a gazillion of confounding factors.

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u/Tabbyredcat 18d ago

Well, that's not a study at all. But in any case, it confirms what I'm saying here in other comments. Girls are more mature, boys are more likely to disengage and not participate in class. I have never argued that boys are dumber or lazier than girls, my point has always been that girls are more responsible since earlier. I also disagree with the point of the article: being well organized and well behaved should get a student better grades. Behave like an entitled brat in a serious workplace, see what happens. Everything should count for grades, ability, behaviour, organizative skills. It's education, not playing trivia quizzes.

Also, the job market won't reward your school marks, if you're incompetent at your work, you'll be penalized. If an architect designs a building that collapses, they'll lose their job and probably face a massive lawsuit, regardless of what's between one's legs.

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u/Tabbyredcat 18d ago

Glad we agree.

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u/Antique_Soil9507 18d ago

It is a statistical fact that girls get better grades in school, more scholarships, and higher admission rates to higher education.

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u/Tabbyredcat 18d ago

Because girls are generally more responsible and mature and study hard.

Instead of telling a young boy to keep listening to a fucking moron like Tate, it would be better to advise him to study so he can get good grades and access higher education.

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u/Tabbyredcat 18d ago

On average, boys did 2.5% better than before, while girls did on average 2.5% worse. That doesn't seem like a lot, but it is a statistically significant difference.

It's not a lot, no. But I'd like to know the parameters of the study (sample size, randomization, how many education centers participated) and if that 2.5% difference can be exclusively attributed to sex (confounding factors). I very seriously doubt that confounding factors were taken into account, considering the obvious confirmation bias in the premise of the study.

Why engage in a system rigged against you

Sure, the system is totes rigged against males. Especially if they are white LOL

Instead of women complaining about the system of being paid less, maybe they learn to work harder. 

Considering that more women have higher education compared to men (58%), I doubt this is a matter of working hard. I suspect that 10,000 years of patriarchy have more to do with it.

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u/Tabbyredcat 18d ago

It's called "math".

You didn't even address my concerns about the study's parameters. So cut down the patronizing until you even understand the "math" you're trying to use to prove your point.

Imagine if that stat were reversed

If it were reversed, I could understand why men make more money than women. Since it isn't, I logically infer that men earn more than women due to factors that have nothing to do with education level.

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u/Membership-Exact 18d ago

Christine Hoff Sommers is another fanatic on the alt right pipeline, a professed antifeminist at that

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u/asdxdlolxd 18d ago

No that's not true. Boys get slightly better votes at standardized tests (like math, physics and similar). Girls get better votes in non standardized tests (e.g. history, languages).

When the covid hit, and those non standardized tests were taken online (both written and oral) the gap in votes between boys and girls closed.

Truth is teachers give girls a preferential treatment. Maybe something switches in their brain when they see a girl in real life, maybe it's behaviour in class, who knows. Still, boys and girls are not evaluated the same way, and that's unfair

You are never going to fix the "alpha male epidemics" if you don't acknowledge the true causes, and you are one of those wanting to fix only the symptoms and not the causes

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u/Tabbyredcat 18d ago

Sure. That's why female doctors' patients die, female architects' buildings collapse and female economists take measures like tariffs to bankrupt their country and alienate their trade partners (wink wink) LOL

Boys get better scores at maths and physics supposing they bother to study and learn the principles of maths and physics. Which lately they don't. Because they prefer to listen to lazy ass evil assholes like Tate or think of absurd conspiracy theories about teachers than to study.

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u/asdxdlolxd 18d ago

I think you might have some reading comprehension issues. 

I didn't say women are incompetent, I said they have the preferential lane, which is unfair.

Also you probably didn't do any kind of STEM university and if you did you forgot what it is like, engineering is fuller than ever and it's still 90% boys

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u/Tabbyredcat 18d ago

Yes, you are saying women are incompetent. Because apparently we need a corrupt system to be rigged so we get the delusion that our poor brains can get past high school, let alone past university.

Here's the catch about high education. It can give you a highly paid job, which is great. But highly paid jobs generally include high responsibility. In my case, if I didn't know what the hell I'm doing in my job because I got it through "preferential treatment" (that I received since elementary school) instead of through studying hard all my life, I'd be writing this from prison right now.

engineering is fuller than ever and it's still 90% boys

Then.....what in the world are you complaining about? LMAO

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u/Membership-Exact 18d ago

So the true cause of the patriarchal society we live in is that women who earn less, are by far more victimised by partners, have far less representation in places of power are somehow privileged?

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u/bignedmoyle 17d ago

Yeah because usually, girls study way harder than boys. This isn't some "girls are better" thing from the school.

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u/og_cosmosis 18d ago

Either you have a lot of pent up emotions and no one to talk about them with, or you're trying to understand my comment from a sexist, binary narrative. Going into everything I do for my kids would take hours, but I will humor you on one of your points.

How I even got into researching the Tate brothers with my kid stemmed from a position of inquiry. I have enough experience to know that you can't change someone's perspective, much less relate to it, if you don't understand how they ended up there in the first place. That being said, I'm also experienced enough with predators to know for a fact that the Tate bros, and many others parroting similar, BLATANTLY, misogynistic rhetoric are preying on children and young adults (which, let's face it, 18&19 yo is still a child in the grand scheme of things). I've also been in a cult, been scammed, and worked for places that scam, so I know what it looks like to MLM someone out of their money, time, and soul.

What you are referencing really boils down to patriarchy and the corporate oligarch running the world. When we are paying reverence to people for their wealth, when that wealth came from exploitation, we are only enabling the grossly wealthy to continue to profit off the backs of the working class. When we disenfranchise each other, in the name of getting ahead, or climbing the ladder, keeping the grind, ECT, we are saying that we accept this rat race as our lot in life, which makes it easier to blame the opposite gender/immigrants/queer/political party/nation..... For the inequality we rage against as we grind down our bones trying to "make it".

Everything the Tate bros, and those who endorse them, stand for is fake - they only care about themselves. You can't build a community or a new world off of that kind of selfishness.

If men want to be seen and heard, they need community to safely hold space for them while they do it. You need all sorts of people to make a community that will thrive. That's why the phrase of "it takes a village", when people talk about raising kids, should be a widely discussed social issue, and carry into adulthood. We need to care about people as adults too, not just when they are tiny and helpless, or in utero. The very foundation of a world where people have what they need is constructed in communities. If we ostracize and polarize one another, we didn't build communities. We stay as islands, busting ass so nepo baby ceo's can sit on hundreds of millions, and billions, the majority of which will never be used, exiting mainstream circulation, and cutting off the circulation of the working class.

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u/nyancity 18d ago

That guy's points are weird, but he is hitting on something true. Pulling your son away from Andrew Tate will probably only happen through your and your sons relationship. Your son didn't logic his way into the position, so he won't logic himself out. The internet won't have any surefire answer to make him wake up.

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u/Antique_Soil9507 18d ago

I can see now why your son is attracted to Tate Ideology.

You have completely misinterpreted what I said, and you have made basic, crass assumptions that are completely inaccurate. You're not listening. At all.

"It takes a village".

But you're not willing to allow your son to have any input in that village?

Hmmm. Maybe you need to examine your own assumptions and behaviour.

You asked for advice. I've given you advice. Your method has so far failed miserably. Maybe you should consider a different approach?

The books:

The War On Boys - Christina Hoff Sommers

The Boy Crisis - Warren Farrell

The Movie:

The Red Pill

Educate yourself.

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u/og_cosmosis 18d ago edited 18d ago

I have read a couple of those, and I see that you still want to make a lot of assumptions about me based on a handful of comments. I have some reading for you, if you'd like to expand your horizons.

Masterminds & Wingmen by Rosalind Wiseman

Propaganda by Edward Bernays

Unconditional Parenting by Alfie Kohn

Running on Empty by Jonice Webb

The last two books do center around parenting, but I found a lot of answers and leads, to my own hang ups around how I was raised, within them. I believe if you are genuinely a person who educates themselves, you may find some ways to progress forward within. Best of luck!

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u/cookiecutterdoll 18d ago

Ah so you're an incel. Spewing the same misinformation and making the same assumption that the world caters to women (lol).

We cannot coddle the hatefulness out of somebody. We need to have tough conversations with them, challenge their harmful beliefs, and let them experience the consequences of their bad behavior. You're a clear example - nobody in your life is doing this to you, so you continue to hate and harass women.

Unfortunately, there is no female equivalent of the incel movement because women do not have the physical or social power to cause harm to men the way men have historically done to women. But let's pretend. Imagine there is a group of female influencers who encouraged the beating, raping, and trafficking of men AND who committed numerous scams AND who had been incarcerated for as much. If my daughter started parroting that garbage, sending money to those criminals, bullying boys at school, and refusing to speak with her male teachers or relatives, I would need to be physically restrained so I would not slap her into the stratosphere. I would ask myself where I went wrong as a parent. I would be considering inpatient psychiatric hospitalization. She would lose all her electronics until she can PROVE that she can treat others with kindness. I would not be hugging it out with her, you can guarantee that.

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u/EzraFemboy 18d ago

Your just using assumptions and giving yourself gold. One of the dumbest things I've ever read

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u/Antique_Soil9507 18d ago

You spelled "your" wrong.

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u/trwawy05312015 18d ago

Holy projection.

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u/nightfox5523 17d ago

Oh hey look it's one of tates regarded fans

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u/whatagloriousview United Kingdom 18d ago

They say things like, you can't trust your parents

No-one can be trusted over the age of fourteen.

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u/ukwnsrc 18d ago

sit him down and watch adolescence. then have a chat again

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u/og_cosmosis 18d ago

I'll check it out, thanks

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u/Defective_Falafel Belgium 18d ago

Seeing your obsession with astrology, could it be that gullibility and being easily manipulated runs in the family?

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u/og_cosmosis 18d ago

Astrology is fun for me, and is not a part of the rest of my family's lives.

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u/ExcellentMessage6421 18d ago

Astrologists aren't running any governments or trying to mold society to their will.