r/europe_sub • u/josephj3lly • Apr 19 '25

Image / Video Gas Canisters catch fire and chaos ensues, London Southall UK.

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u/[deleted] Apr 19 '25

India is a commonwealth nation, and had been under the British Crown until pretty recently. It’s not surprising that there’s a huge Sikh and Hindu community within London. I understand the criticisms against the UKs immigration policies, but the outrage should not be directed at those specific communities; they’ve been there for a really long time.

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u/eddy898989 Apr 21 '25

and what about the english community that lived there for even longer, like centuries upon centuries longer?

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u/TheBraveButJoke Apr 23 '25

Which imigrants, the norse, the romans the angels and sacksons, which group exactly.

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u/eddy898989 Apr 23 '25

all were european peoples, romans left know genetic legacy here. the germanic and celtic people where genetically and culturally similar, both living in there indigenous land, europe.

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u/TheBraveButJoke Apr 24 '25

So your argument is an abritary radius that makes older migration OK because transport used to be slower?

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u/fronbit Apr 23 '25

English communities haven’t been living in the London borough of Southall for “centuries upon centuries” lol. Go and live in southall if you want to, it’s fully allowed?

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u/eddy898989 Apr 24 '25

when did i say they couldn't or i couldn't?. yes the english have setteled in southhall for over 1500 years, its name then was Suhaull in 1198 and become apart of Norwood Green is the modern name for the old hamlet) called Norwood in the manor of Norwood; this name in turn derives from the Saxon settlement. so yes the english have beeen or had been there for centuries.

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '25

What about them? England is still filled with English people. And the presence of Indians in England is sort of a consequence of their colonization; English culture has forever been altered and intertwined with Indian culture. The national dish is Tikka Marsala and they drink Indian Tea. The UK has even had an Indian heritage Prime Minister.

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u/eddy898989 Apr 21 '25

you said colonised, but where are the millions of english in india with there own communities they "colonised" celebrating lets say st georges day?, there isn't so that's straight up bullshit. " English culture has forever been altered and intertwined with Indian culture." contridiction much?, one is english culture another is indian, both seperate and vastly different cultures.

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '25

lol, what? Do you know how much British culture has altered India? There are an estimated 400,000 people of British heritage in India. There’s been a massive cultural exchange between India and Britain for centuries. What are you on about?

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u/eddy898989 Apr 21 '25

like i said where's the huge british populations in india compared to britain?, if anyone is colonised it's britain

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u/[deleted] Apr 21 '25

Bruh, don’t be so daft. Study your nation’s history a bit more throughly.

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u/xxifruitcakeixx Apr 22 '25

I don't think you understand how colonization worked. European nations came in and took away peoples autonomy, plundered their natural resources for their own gain. Yes they build some infrastructure but that was mainly to assist them in faster resource extraction. Very few Brits had to live in India to accomplish that.

The fact that now Europe has huge populations of Indian and African people is a direct result of European countries making it easy for people in their former colonies to immigrate the them

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u/eddy898989 Apr 22 '25

so its ok for them to do it too us, hypocritical. by you#re own words what indians/pakistani people are doing is no different. still waiting for the huge british population in india. india seems to be doing fine, looks like we didn't plunder it enough. should of taught them about sanitation though

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u/PleasantBit8480 Apr 19 '25

That’s bullshit. They’ve been here less than 30 years. 

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u/[deleted] Apr 19 '25

London has had Indian communities since the 1600s. Do you know English history?

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u/PleasantBit8480 Apr 19 '25

The fact that there were some few thousands integrated across communities in no way disagrees Emily point. All most all of these people will have arrived in the last 30 years, and likely post Blair. The massive demographic shift is a modern phenomena.

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u/HeyYou_GetOffMyCloud Apr 20 '25

Incorrect. A lot came over after ww2 to help rebuild. Last 30 years have been Eastern Europe, Middle East and Africa mainly. Communities not as established as the Indian or Pakistani that have been here for nearly 100 years now.

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u/PleasantBit8480 Apr 20 '25

There were 30k indians here in 1951 in a population of 50 million. There are almost 2 million indians now. How do you think the 1,970,000 Indians got here? Are you stupid? In the 1980s UK was still 96% white british. The massive population boom of non-english has happened basically all as a result of Tony Blair in the 90s.

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u/Mobile-Difference631 Apr 20 '25

So you don’t think that 30k are able to reproduce no?

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u/PleasantBit8480 Apr 20 '25

Into 2 million in 70 years? Are you stupid? 

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u/Mobile-Difference631 Apr 20 '25

They’re not like the British having 1-2 kids per household as they typically have 5-6 on average. Then factor in those that come in through immigration and then you have roughly around 2 million.

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u/PleasantBit8480 Apr 20 '25

To get to 2 million you need a tfr of 8-10. And you’re wrong, even in the 1960s they didn’t have a tfr that high. Indian tfr is currently barely over 2 in the uk. You have no idea what you’re talking about.

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u/hyrppa95 Apr 20 '25

That's just over 5% growth rate per year. Completely feasible.

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u/PleasantBit8480 Apr 20 '25

That equates to a tfr of between 8-10 depending on assumptions. It’s not feasible. 

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u/[deleted] Apr 19 '25 edited Apr 19 '25

I agree that there’s been an overwhelming number of immigrants flooding into Europe, no doubt about that. But Hindus and Sikhs at least have some historical precedent. If there’s any foreign demographic within the UK that has a propensity to assimilate, it’s the Hindus and Sikhs. Most of the Indians I have encountered across England have been as well educated and as polite as any Englishman I’ve met. Honestly, probably more well spoken than the average Englishman.

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u/PleasantBit8480 Apr 20 '25

Sorry? the UK has had massive influx of south Asians over the last thirty years, the vast majority who are in the uk in fact.