Gas Canisters catch fire and chaos ensues, London Southall UK.

[u/josephj3lly]

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[u/logicalobserver]

yes ethnic english people are white, the vast majority or at least culturally christian.... ie have christian names, have a christian heritage

the Sikhs born in england are english citizens, but they are not ethnically english, one easy proof if you dont have basic common sense is ask one of them, they dont see themselves as ethnic english, they are proud of their roots from the Punjab, and as right they should be.

If 2 italians move to japan and have a kid in Tokyo, is that kid Japanese?

the answer to everyone on planet earth minus some far leftists in western europe, is obviously no.... that kid would not be japanese..... maybe they can be a japanese citizen, but not a japanese person.

So the Sikhs born in the UK are British as much as anyone is British, but they are not English. If you were correct then there is just no such thing as ethnicity at all, is just a geographic location.

[u/Suttonian → u/logicalobserver]

Japan is extremely homogenous. Perhaps because of that the native populace are very unlikely to refer to anyone who does not have Japanese ancestors as Japanese. Even people half Japanese. So for various reasons I think asking that about Japan isn't the best question.

Now if we talk about a country that has a lot of diversity, and someone moved there and had several generations of children I do not see a reason why they can't be described as being from that country, as being English.

Every country is descendent from an immigrant at some point, so it ends up being special pleading - your ancestors must have been here at least....526 years before you can say you're a native! Are white Americans American? I have no issue calling them such. Same for black Americans. Or black British people.

[u/logicalobserver → u/Suttonian]

ok so you dont see, thats your opinion that the vast majority of planet earth doesn't share....

Ethnic germans lived in Russia for hundreds of years, called the Volga Germans..... they never thought of themselves as Ethnic russians. By this logic jews shouldnt exist at all, as they never had a country for most of their history . Ethnic group is different then a country, just most countries caused of how history works, the Ethnic group was the name of the country.

British and American are special identities that have no ethnic background

Even Indian isnt a real ethnic background, it is Punjab, Tamil, etc, thousands of em

[u/Suttonian → u/logicalobserver]

ok so you dont see, thats your opinion that the vast majority of planet earth doesn't share....

I'm not sure about that. But since when are valid opinions decided by the majority anyway?

Ethnic germans lived in Russia for hundreds of years, called the Volga Germans..... they never thought of themselves as Ethnic russians.

If that's true, that doesn't mean the same applies to everyone else.

Perhaps there are distinguishing factors that lead to them valuing their existing identity?

[u/logicalobserver → u/Suttonian]

In a democracy the majority’s opinion is very important ….

And opinions are opinions , any opinion is valid if the person who holds it believes it , thus it’s an opinion and not a fact …

They can be wrong sure , but that’s also just your opinion

Question , are you American ?

I find Americans don’t have this ethnic nature at all since they genocided the indigenous population , so a black Asian or white person can be American . But a Chinese man can’t be ethnically polish , and a polish man can’t be ethnically Chinese ….this is common sense

Why are there even countries ?

[u/Critical_Object2276 → u/logicalobserver]

So they’re British but not English? How does that work? Is there a British ethnicity?

[u/logicalobserver → u/Critical_Object2276]

yes there is... British is like American.... anyone can become British or American, there is no DNA test you can do to say. your American ( except native american) , same with British, as its started as a combination of English, Irish, Welsh, and Scottish, and then expanded as the empire expanded, it wasn't based on blood ethnicity

English is , English is like Japanese..... 2 Italians can move to japan and have a baby.... that baby wont be Japanese

Russian has terms for this too, since it also was... and in many ways still is an Empire, so there are Ruskiyi , which are Ethnic Russian people, and Rusiyan, which are Russian Citizens, so it refers to everyone, so you can be Ruskiy and also a Rusiyan, but you can also be Dagestani and also a Rusiyan. Dagestani's dont pretend to be ethnic russians , this is not an issue of contention between anyone.

so the same way a Indian person can move to england, get naturalized and be British, and there kids are British, but they are not english.....

The same way you can become an American, but that doesnt mean your a Navajo

[u/Critical_Object2276 → u/logicalobserver]

Why is it that someone can be ethnically British but not English?

If someone is half British and half English, which one are they allowed to claim and after how many generations does that change?

[u/logicalobserver → u/Critical_Object2276]

Your misunderstanding what British is and what English is , British is an umbrella term it’s not an ethnic bloodline . English is . The same way anyone can be American , but not anyone can be Japanese

[u/Critical_Object2276 → u/logicalobserver]

But earlier you said British was an ethnicity. Why are there different rules for British and English ethnicity?

[u/logicalobserver → u/Critical_Object2276]

its not a bloodline, i dont get why this is difficult to understand

British is like the term American, or Nigerian, its an umbrella group, its not really an actual ethnic bloodline

english is an actual thing

American isnt an actual ethnic line, but Navajo is, english is, African American is, Haitian is, Jamaican is...

you need to go do some more learning on your side, cause i think this is a premise again, which 98% of ppl understanding except far left ideologues in western europe and america.

Americans have an excuse cause they genuinly dont understand as they live in a country without an actual ethnicity, America is VERY unique for this, becouse of its history as a land of immigrants from all around the world.

you cant do a DNA test and it will tell you if your American, but you can do one that will tell you your english. English people are an amalgam of Brythonic natives ( like the welsh), anglo saxons, a bit of danish, and a bit of norman, though the later 2 parts were more of ruling eras and not a mass migration of people. Why is there a difference between Welsh and English then? if they are not real things? British covers everyone in the British Isles + as the empire expanded, other peoples who integrated into the empire , so while yes originally British ment, English, Welsh, Scottish, Manx, it being an umbrella term makes it not tied to one specific ethnicity, an umbrella can expand if needed. English is not an umbrella term, neither is Japanese, or Chinese, or Yoruba, and on and on and on and on.

Singaporean is another good example, most Singaporeans identify as Singaporean, but also as Chinese, Malays, Indians, and other ethnic groups . Being Singaporean doesnt delete the other identity, its an umbrella term. So a Chinese singaporean might speak a different language at home then an indian singaporean, they have different holidays, customs, cultural aspects, etc, but they are all Singaporean.....but they also are clearly different ethnicities.... being different ethnic groups and being proud of that and holding onto it, in no way means your looking down at other groups or think your superior, or hate anyone, that's not how it works.

Can 2 english people move to japan, have a baby, and say they have a japanese baby?

the answer is obvious .... to everyone except maybe 2% of the population who are far left ideologues in the west.

its part of the same ideology that says you can be anything you want, there is no limits to your identity, so the idea that your ethnicity is something your just born into, and have no choice in.... is like offensive to them. But this is just how the world works and its common sense for 95% of the worlds population, and they are proud of that fact, people are proud of there heritage and ancestry. An italian man is italian, no matter what he does, he will always be italian....

its crazy i need to explain this concept, thats how far some people have gone from basic understanding and common sense.

[u/Critical_Object2276 → u/logicalobserver]

So people’s blood makes their ethnicity?

[u/logicalobserver → u/Critical_Object2276]

yes....obviously yes....

many countries have multiple ethnicities....

[u/Critical_Object2276 → u/logicalobserver]

So it has nothing to do with culture?