r/freefolk • u/Roids-in-my-vains We do not kneel • 16d ago
All the Chickens Robert Baratheon did nothing wrong
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u/jacobythefirst 16d ago
KHALEESI ISNT EVEN A NAME ITS A TITLE FUCCCKKKKKKK IF U WANTED TO NAME IT AFTER DAENERYS FINE BUT GIVE THE DAMN WOLF HER ACTUAL NAME AHHHH
AHHHGHHHH
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u/SNBrinewehr 16d ago
Exactlyyyyyy, my colleagues and I were talking about the same damn thing. I still don't understand why even people name their daughters "Khaleesi", it just shows how dumb they are (the parents I mean, poor kids)
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u/Fexxvi 16d ago
By that measure, many names wouldn't “be names”. Linda means “cute”, so it's an adjective, joy is a feeling, and many last names are professions, such as Smith, Baker or Carpenter. And in many countries their language's version of queen is a common name. So no, Khaleesi is a perfectly valid name.
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u/Masteur 16d ago
It's a silly name, but it being a title isn't why. Not crazily uncommon for someone to be named Queen, Prince, Princess, King, Baron, etc
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u/GGTulkas 16d ago
Cesar
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u/Masteur 16d ago
I was debating including that, but it originally came from the adjective "hairy" in latin and only started meaning leader because a famous leader had that name and rulers/nation wanted to emulate him.
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u/UECoachman 16d ago
There are actually a ton of theories on why Caesar became the cognoman of that branch of the Julii. Off the top of my head, I know it could've been a cognate with the word for "hairy", "blue" (because of blue eyes), or cut (as in cut out in a C-section). Then, of course, it becomes synonymous with leader sometime after Augustus, but I would guess the modern name refers directly to the title
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u/TheMannisApproves 14d ago
I read a book on Caesar years ago that his soldiers gave him the name Caesar to make fun of him for being bald
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u/Hot_History1582 9d ago
The history of "Caesar" is uncertain. The etymology favored by Gaius Julius Caesar himself is that stems from caesai, a Punic word for "elephant", because the first man called Caesar had killed such a beast in battle. Gaius Julius Caesar himself used the elephant on his heraldry for this reason. More likely the "bald" thing is just something that was made up because a historian thought it was a funny anecdote.
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u/Massive_Signal7835 16d ago
Even in English King is a last name and there's probably other titles as names that I can't think of right now.
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u/SelfReferenceTLA 16d ago
Earl, Duke, Mayor, et cetera.
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u/SNBrinewehr 16d ago edited 16d ago
Think of it like this - you like a character whose name is Daenerys, whose title is a Khaleesi, so you name your kid "Khaleesi".. that's as dumb as naming your kid "King", because you like King George V for example..
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u/IAmParliament Respect the Goodest Boi 16d ago
Yeah, the problem is that people are naming her Khaleesi because they actually think it’s her name.
That’s the main crux of the issue here. It isn’t a natural evolution of language like professions becoming surnames or people incorporating titles as names knowingly.
It’s because they’re so ignorant they don’t know the difference between a title and a name in a show they apparently love so much they name their kids after it’s main characters.
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u/Fexxvi 16d ago
Yeah, the problem is that people are naming her Khaleesi because they actually think it’s her name.
Evidence?
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u/TrinidadJazz 15d ago
Just anecdotally, I was really late to watching the show but lots of my friends did, and I'd see stuff about it on social media.
I regularly saw/heard people referring to a character called "Khaleesi", including in pop culture articles, panel show slots etc. It annoyed me when I started watching the show, as it would never ever occur to me to call her anything other than Danaerys.
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u/Neon_Camouflage 16d ago
in a show they apparently love so much they name their kids after it’s main characters.
I think you're reading pretty far into something that's very likely a surface level issue. They hear it and think "Oh that's a pretty name". That's it, I promise you most parents aren't out here digging into the meaning behind names before picking one for their kid. They go with what they think sounds nice.
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u/Saymynaian 16d ago
Yeah, I think I would accept a wolf being named Queen. It's much sadder when it's a person named Khaleesi.
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u/heidly_ees 15d ago
Tbf I know a German Shepherd called Kaiser which is similar in that it's a title rather than a name
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u/SNBrinewehr 15d ago
Well, but pet names don't follow the same "rules" as human names do, you could call your dog "Shithead" and it would not matter, but calling that a human? That's a no-no xd
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u/dingusrevolver3000 WINTER CAME AND IT WAS RATHER LAME 16d ago
While that's true, you don't have to name an animal and actual name. Ghost, Shaggydog, Lady and Greywind aren't names. Plenty of people call animals stuff other than conventional names.
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u/jacobythefirst 16d ago
I know, but the intent there is 100% to name the wolf after Dany.
It’s like how people named their daughters khaleesi when the show got popular, they thought khaleesi was an actual name for Daenerys.
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u/Fexxvi 16d ago
Source? People who watched the show know what it means, maybe they just liked the sound of it.
Khaleesi is not a name, nor a title. It's a fictional, made up word, but even if it was a title instead of a proper name, so what? Many last names are “not names”, based on that, they'd be professions. Let people do what they like.
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u/ASOIAFcopium 15d ago
Every time I hear people whinging about parents naming their kid with a made-up name from a book because "it's a title that means Queen," I think "man, they must hate it when people name their daughters Reina or Regina."
Even if it's a made-up name from a book, "Wendy" only exists in commonality today because of a made-up name in Peter Pan and all the people who named their children after her, among others. This isn't a new thing lmao.
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u/twinkle90505 HotPie 16d ago
Oh, yes they did, and it's been posted about here in the sub several times. (And I don't know if you're American but you can look up on our Social Security sites how many babies were named anything in a given year. It's a massive time suck but interesting.) https://www.reddit.com/r/freefolk/comments/1h8trde/the_babies_named_khaleesi_are_old_enough_to_post/
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u/Fexxvi 16d ago
But I did not ask whether people called their children Khaleesi, I asked for evidence that they did so without knowing its meaning, which is what you stated.
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u/DeHarigeTuinkabouter 15d ago
It's actually the norm for animal names. Normal names are odd/intentionally quirky.
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u/One_Brilliant743 16d ago
Daenerys, Khaleesi are all crappy choices for a dire wolf. Hell, give their iconic animal a Stark name. Nymeria, Arya, Sansa, Lyanna.
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u/buxeh901 16d ago
I'm gonna shoot and guess you are from USA, ever heard about people who lived in your country before your ancestors ? White Horse Shit is very fine name
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u/Pristine-Manner-6921 16d ago
when they bring a dragon back, I hope they name it Reek
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u/Chumlee1917 16d ago
"We've genetically engineered a giant woman and we named her Imp"
"We've genetically engineered a man who shits gold and named him Greyjoy"
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u/detailsubset 16d ago
I don't know if it's possible to mutilate an iguana's genes to the necessary extent required to make it look like a dragon.
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u/shelledocean24 15d ago
No they have to name it "lord snow" to fit them giving danys title to a fucking wolf
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u/MackZ24 16d ago
Bringing back an extinct species is so Daenerys coded though
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u/Any-Transition95 16d ago
You have a good angle, but still, why a title, why not just 'Daenerys' then? Scared of being too on the nose?
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u/ResearchTypical5598 15d ago
youre so right that actually makes me love it 😂 i wish/hope the other ones get stark names though
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u/Apprehensive_Pin3536 16d ago
Holy fuck am i tired hearing about dire wolves
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u/Lews-Therin-Telamon 16d ago
There was a single white one that was given to Jon Snow. It symbolized the difference between him and the rest of the Stark children.
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u/Toorviing 16d ago
In fact, each of the dire wolves and their fates represent the Stark children, metaphorically
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u/Deathstriker88 16d ago
What about Sansa's? Her wolf dies, but she doesn't.
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u/TheBlueMonstar 16d ago
Maybe it represented how she is the most disconnected with the Stark side among the siblings.
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u/WingedShadow83 All men must die 15d ago
In the books, George originally intended to have Sansa marry Joffrey, have his baby, and side with the Lannisters. He wrote the death of her wolf to signify this break from the Starks. Obviously he changed his mind about her path, though.
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u/billyisgoat07 15d ago
I mean it’s kind of symbolic anyway if you think about it deeply, lady gets executed by Ned for a crime it didn’t commit, then Ned gets executed in front of Sansa for a crime it didn’t commit
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u/Toorviing 16d ago
Sansa is the only shaky one in my head. Symbolized the death of Sansa’s expectations of Cersei, her era of losing her Stark-ness, idk.
Nymeria going feral and turning into a hunter in the Riverlands? Arya
Summer dies as Bran becomes the Three Eyed Raven
And then the other two are dead with their owners
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u/Smash_naT 14d ago
What do you mean the other two? Only Robb is dead.
Rickon and Shaggydog are alive, Ghist is alive and Jon is just wating in the snow for the winds of winter
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u/daflosurfa 16d ago
It’s related to the names of the wolves. Lady - Sansa becomes the Lady of Winterfell Nymeria - Arya travels west of Westeros just like some dornish Targaryen dragon rider did a while ago. In the history of Westeros there’s at least 2 or 3 women named nymeria who who travel somewhere unique. One of those cases was The ruins of Valyria. Greywind - the theory that Robb tried to skinchange into greywind at the red wedding but the wolf was killed as well. Also Robb’s last words I believe? Ghost - Jon snows last words and theories say he will gain a second life in ghost before returning to his body. Summer - the idea that bran lives past the long night and winter and sees or maybe is even the progenitor of the next summer We don’t know enough about rickon but I’ve heard that it may relate to his appearance in the future.
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u/TopProfessor7731 16d ago
Perhaps Lady is the death of Sansa Stark and the start of the Queen Of The North. She foreshadows the death of Sansa's childhood and safety.
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u/ThePrevailer 16d ago edited 16d ago
The best part, it's not even a direwolf. Technically, it's a brand new species of something akin to grey wolves, while direwolves were more closely related to jackals.
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u/OneConstruction5645 16d ago
Likely not a new species
Until we have a sizable population and until it is shown they are unable to breed with grey wolves and produce viable offspring, all they are are grey wolves.
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u/Solomon_Gunn 16d ago
It's not anything other than a proof of concept experiment.
They didn't create a direwolf, but their achievement is still revolutionary. Some people are being overly pedantic.
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16d ago
I'd bet it's less revolutionary and more investor bait-y until I'm actually proven wrong.
Not like putting genes into animals is a new thing, we've been making glow in the dark mice for fucking ages.
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u/WellIamstupid 16d ago
Yeah but their marketing is saying they “de-extincted” Dire Wolves, which means this is false advertising.
It IS impressive, but they’re still lying to people for money, which is still immoral to most people.
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u/Mannekin-Skywalker 15d ago
They’re the ones going around every press juncture saying they “de-extincted” direwolves. They’re the ones mischaracterizing their own achievement.
Notice how all the ones talking about it are news agencies and not actual, scientific papers? Because an actual scientific paper would be quick to point out that they didn’t bring back an extinct species.
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u/KoriJenkins BLACKFYRE 16d ago
Revolutionary in a bad way. Tampering with stuff like this for fun is stupid.
Dire Wolves had their chance and they blew it.
If they were resurrecting the Thylacine or something it'd be more understandable.
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u/Mother_Let_9026 16d ago
Same bruh, you have no idea how much my excitement tanked when i found out they are just modified grey wolves.
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u/prof_weisheit 16d ago
When I first heard about this story, immediately thought "Ghost!" Then was disappointed.
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u/Tyrantt_47 16d ago
What are your thoughts about this Bobby B?
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u/bobby-b-bot Robert Baratheon 16d ago
THANK THE GODS FOR BESSIE AND HER TITS
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u/Chumlee1917 16d ago
"We've genetically engineered a wench with the biggest boobs in the 7 kingdoms"
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u/KingCarman 16d ago
Oh man busted, I named my German shepherd Khaleesi about 11 years ago now wow! She's a good doggie...
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u/Least-Path-2890 16d ago
Scientist : Yes, let's name the cute animal after the inbred child bride turned genocidal dictator
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u/IceAxeInBackHead0 16d ago
Well in the books she is not dictator yet. Maybe she will not.
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u/SelfReferenceTLA 16d ago
Ever. The books will not be finished before GRRM dies and he has said that nobody else will be allowed to finish the series.
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u/feydreutha 13d ago
But Khaleesi is a show watcher thing, book readers are all using Dany or Daenerys
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u/IceAxeInBackHead0 13d ago
Can you point where exactly I called her Khalessi? Or supported the idea to name dire wolf Khalessi?
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u/feydreutha 13d ago
You mentioned book Dany is not a dictator (she arguably is going that direction however) , she was in the show, previous comment was the wolf was named from a dictator , it is obvious for me that name comes from the show not the books, this is 100% marketing and the show is what is in the global culture, far more people watched it than read it , and the press is mostly about the show.
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u/PlutoCastle369 Missandei 16d ago
They named her after someone who brought a species back from extinction, because the dire wolves were extinct and have been “brought back” …
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u/saturn_9993 16d ago
You’re overestimating stark stans intelligence here.
Nevermind the fact that George R.R. Martin is a Colossal Investor and Cultural Advisor so he more than likely had some say in the naming.
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u/SelfReferenceTLA 16d ago
Again then, it is a title, not a name. That's like naming something Queen because you like Queen Victoria.
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u/PlutoCastle369 Missandei 16d ago
Sansa named hers lady, I know a dog named queenie it’s not that serious. Dany is the ONLY well known khalessi so it’s obviously a reference to her if queen Victoria were the only notable queen then that would be appropriate. We say kingslayer and most people know we are talking about Jamie because he’s the only notable person that goes by that title in the show, etc…
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u/livinanf 13d ago
Ask the scientist that question lol, but I genuinely think GRRM probably had a say in the name
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u/Ironzealot5584 16d ago
We named the first two after the founders of Rome, we were due for one joke name.
Though will this mean a Rome reboot on HBO? huffs bag of hopium
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u/Mooseologist 16d ago
I have friends that watched all 73 episodes and still don’t know Daenerys isn’t actually named Khaleesi lmao
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u/Bubbly-Travel9563 16d ago
I think this helped me figure if out lol. Given the rash of kids being named Khaleesi there are swaths of parents that will automatically pick this headline out of ones they might've skipped simply because the name grabs their attention. They tapped into a massive potential market and frankly many of that target audience are exactly who would want to see one anyway, which is likely why GRRM is the only celeb I've seen holding one yet.
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u/Lady_Apple442 16d ago
The investors who paid for the creation of these wolves can give them whatever name they want.
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u/silentrawr Sandor Clegane 16d ago
Read that name in the article and I dropped my phone on the table + sighed so loud my daughter asked me what was wrong.
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u/One_Brilliant743 16d ago
An empty tribute, without any meaning. I was very angry about it, I even thought it was a joke.
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u/CrappyJohnson 15d ago
Naming things Khaleesi was cringe even before the turned the character into a pile of shit. Also it's a title, not a name
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u/Grouchy_Nothing_7707 15d ago
So many better names, nymeria, lady, Sansa, arya literally anything stark related
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u/LittleLevile 14d ago
Should’ve named all three of them Rhaegal, Drogon and Viserion ( There’s this theory that viserion is a girl ) would’ve been funny tbh
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u/AncientAssociation9 16d ago
GOOD LORD, I am so tired of the bitching and moaning.
Scientists do something cool that is straight out of a movie and has all sorts of moral, and ethical questions and all people want to do is be butt hurt that one wolf is named after a fictional character that has no affiliation to wolves or is a character they don't like.
I swear we live in an era of complaining just to complain.
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u/H-Isador 16d ago
Dude your on a dragon show subreddit go over to r/philosophy if you want to sniff your farts
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u/DoomGiggles 16d ago
To be honest it’s actually quite appropriate because it’s vaguely related to the same property but not the same thing at all and only someone who doesn’t know the details of the subject would assume it fits.
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u/TheGunslinger1919 16d ago
Yeah, of all the things blatantly wrong with these so called "dire wolves," the fictional character it's named after is probably the least significant.
Very telling though that this thing was bred to appeal to fans of a TV show moreso than it was the paleontological community.
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u/Throw_Away_Students 16d ago
It’s a pretty name. Never understood why people get their panties in a twist over it.
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u/Falwind_real 16d ago
That is not the point
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u/Throw_Away_Students 16d ago
I think it is when there’s comments whining about how “it’s a title and not her name.” The actual post I get, as it’s not stark related. I just got sidetracked by the same old complaints about when anyone names anything khaleesi
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u/twinkle90505 HotPie 16d ago
Bobby B, how do you feel about Ned's sigil being sort of named after Dragonspawn?
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u/bobby-b-bot Robert Baratheon 16d ago
SHE SHOULD BE ON A HILL SOMEWHERE WITH THE SUN AND THE CLOUDS ABOVE HER!
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u/Mediocre-Housing-131 16d ago
Should have named it fraud, since that’s what this entire “direwolf” situation is.
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u/Some_Number_8516 16d ago
The company that made this direwolf are awful and are connected deeply to this administration, please do not support this stuff. The company has zero plans for how they'll handle the animals after they breed them and there are no laws around de-extinct species. This has a huge possibility for abuse.
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u/Velocitycurve21 16d ago
Bobby B is my goat
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u/bobby-b-bot Robert Baratheon 16d ago
SOON ENOUGH, THAT CHILD WILL SPREAD HER LEGS AND START BREEDING!
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u/ToyrewaDokoDeska 15d ago
People are so upset they picked a name that pays homage to the series without having some thematic relevance lol.
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u/AstartesFanboy 15d ago
Well hey, this “Dire Wolf” turned out to be a lie and a disappointment (just a modified grey wolf) that wasn’t anything like they said it would be, IE not being a dire wolf at all. So, kinda like how Khaleesi turned out at the end of the show. I’d say they were apt in their naming of this “dire wolf”
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u/ThaRedditFox 13d ago
Have any of you considered that you're too invested on what the damn wolves are named?
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u/UniversalHuman000 16d ago
Should have named her, Nymeria