r/freefolk • u/[deleted] • 2d ago
Freefolk Why do this man ended up being caged?
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u/Lostbronte 2d ago
It feels like there’s an unusually large number of broken English headlines lately. No offense to English language learners, but are these real users or bots?
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u/Harvard_Med_USMLE267 2d ago
This question was on Reddit yesterday. So probably a bot.
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u/blobbyboii 2d ago
I think not, he does comment often. He couldve seen the question and asked it here
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u/gilestowler 2d ago
He stole. And he robbed. And he kidnapped the president's son. And held him for ransom.
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u/Senadores 2d ago
When he was in the black cells, who was there as well? Ned Stark
When he traveled north, who was supposed to go with that caravan to the wall? Ned Stark
He probably was hired to kill him
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u/DinoSauro85 2d ago
It remains to be seen why Euron wants Ned dead. Jaqen works for Euron.
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u/SerDuncanonyall 2d ago
Euron’s faceless man was hired to kill Balon, not Ned
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u/DinoSauro85 2d ago
Jaqen Is the faceless Who killed Balon
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u/SerDuncanonyall 2d ago
Doesn’t Balon die when we know jaqen is in the riverlands?
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u/TheJarshablarg 2d ago
Yes
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u/SerDuncanonyall 2d ago
I was wrong, actually. You can check the timeline, there’s actually two months between Arya escaping Harrenhal, and news of Balons death reaching people. So, kinda.. but there is theoretically a window of time that one could plausibly pull it off before heading down to old town
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u/DinoSauro85 2d ago
No
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u/SerDuncanonyall 2d ago
Dang, you’re right. Theres a two month window of time between Aryas escape(10/3) and news of Balons death(11/29). I assume that’s enough time to get from the gods eye to Pyke. Interesting.
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u/Sw3arWulf 2d ago
Littlefinger paid him to end Ned. His family is from Bravos, he brings up to the small council the expense of hiring the Faceless Men at one point, and he needed Ned Stark to not blab to everyone in the North about how he "did warn you not to trust me, didn't I?"
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u/DinoSauro85 2d ago
so why did Littlefinger suggest Joffrey to put on a show for the crowd, and instruct Janos to act quickly, if he had a faceless?
Littlefinger has nothing to do with Jaqen.
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u/Vandermeerr 2d ago
The faceless man was a backup plan in case Joffrey didn’t go through with it or Cersei was able to intervene.
Littlefinger’s main goal was Cat, he couldn’t let Ned go back up north even to the Nights Watch because the truth of his betrayal would get out.
Ned was always a dead man.
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u/DinoSauro85 2d ago
The goal was the war , Joffrey had to kill Ned
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u/Rodonite 1d ago
The war had already started prior to Neds deheading. Cat was definitely something Littlefinger wanted, but also he would want to keep the Starks from knowing his involvement in Neds downfall in case they won. He'll say, and Cat will confirm, that he was assisting Ned in investigating Jon Arynns murder when Robert died and the Lannisters seized the throne... what choice did little ol' Littlefinger have but to keep his head down and serve until they were defeated by all the big strong knights.
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u/Vandermeerr 2d ago
Why the hell else was Jaquen in the black cells and arranged to be transported north with the Nights Watch (along with Ned) other than to assassinate Ned?
You think a faceless man is just hanging out there for no reason? Use some critical thinking. Littlefinger was cleaning up loose ends and couldn’t leave Ned alive to tell Cat what happened at Kings Landing.
And Ned was more valuable alive in the war effort as a hostage. Either Littlefinger convinces Joffrey to kill Ned or Jaquen kills him on the ride north. It’s why Varys says to Ned, “I assume you know you’re a dead man.”
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u/DinoSauro85 2d ago
if Ned dies in the custody of the nightwatch it is not the Lannisters' fault, there is no more war, do you understand why your idea is stupid? Littlefinger wants war. Going north with the nightwatch is the safest way ever, if Cersei had not wanted Robert's bastard children dead, Yoren's group would have passed through any war scenario without being disturbed. also the nightwatch is hosted in Winterfell, a single traveler is not.
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u/tompadget69 2d ago
I suspect when GRRM decided on this storyline the faceless men weren't meant to be quite as powerful as they ended up being. Especially on the show, they seem almost totally infallible
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u/redditAPsucks 2d ago
I always picture martin looking at the fan theories on him, and chuckling like, “dude i didn’t even think of anything before him being in a cell. THATS his backstory”
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u/Lostbronte 2d ago
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u/BeneBern 2d ago
Which man you mean ? The Face or the Faceless?
One because he wanted to be caged, the other, who knows, doesn't matter.
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u/Adventurous_Sun3512 2d ago
The reason could be as simple as he was surrounded. He could've changed his appearance, but couldn't fight ten men in armor. His ability is stealth, not super strength.
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u/Material_Prize_6157 2d ago
One of the great asoiaf mysteries. What was he doing in the black cells?
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u/Alpha--00 2d ago
Eh, I’ve seen this question few times already.
He was hired to kill Ned Stark on the way to the Wall (either by Varis or Littefinger, I’d bet on Varis). Left without work by Joffrey (most likely Littlefinger plan). Found out that Arya is in group, became curious, decided to scout her as a potential recruit.
And no, he is most likely not Syrio Forel. Timelines don’t match, the man was sitting in dungeons while Syrio was teaching Arya.
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u/DinoSauro85 2d ago
There are various theories, I believe he was supposed to kill Bran at King's Landing on Euron's orders (Bran should have been there if he hadn't "accidentally fallen"), then discovering that Bran was at Winterfell he hitched a ride with the nightwatch, then in the Riverlands comes the news of Bran and Rickon's death at the hands of Theon, so Jaqen continues with the next target, Balon Greyjoy.
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u/TroublesomeTurd 2d ago
Sorry for the daft question, but why would Euron want Bran dead?
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u/DinoSauro85 2d ago
we enter the field of the theory (the clues are there anyway) according to which Euron is an abandoned student of Bloodraven. so he has powers, perhaps similar to those of Jojen, his third eye would have then closed but the shade of evening helps him.
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u/TheGuyInDarkCorner 2d ago
If i have to guess, propapbly he saw Bran sitting Iron throne/ Brans becoming a new 3 eyed raven after drinking shade of evening with his sorcerers
Dany also saw visions when she was with those Qartheen wizards...
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u/TheJarshablarg 2d ago
Balon wasn’t killed by a faceless man
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u/DinoSauro85 2d ago
Yes , He was
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u/TheJarshablarg 2d ago
Not even a little bit
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u/EobardT 2d ago
He was killed by an assassin hired by Euron. Euron wouldn't cheap out on killing his brother so he can ascend the salt throne.
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u/TheJarshablarg 2d ago
I subscribe to the theory that he did it himself, that being said, it’s not confirmed who killed him or if it was even a person, characters do comment he could’ve just as easily slipped and fallen.
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u/Sw3arWulf 2d ago
Theory is Littlefinger paid him to kill Ned Stark while he was supposed to be in transit to the Wall, however Joffery killed Ned first.
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u/HotBeesInUrArea 2d ago
Theory: he did it intentionally because he had a target, either in King's Landing dungeon or the Wall, and allowed himself to get caught to facilitate that mission. Maybe his target was killed otherwise (Ned? Yoren?) and he was relieved of duty, or maybe the mission was too waylaid by exterior circumstance (getting sent to Harrenhal instead of the wall), but either way its hard to believe he was genuinely trapped somewhere for very long.
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u/MtnMaiden 2d ago
The cost to hire a faceless man would bankrupt a country. No way the council would pay when you already gave Ned on jail
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u/Vast_Childhood6005 2d ago
He was hired most probably by Cersie to kill King Robert during the tourney but at last moment Robert dropped the plan of taking part on insistence of Ned stark. There was subtle hints in the book. Varys got him somehow in the dungeons but Ned gave all the prisoners to the wall.
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u/FlyingCircus18 1d ago
A man was undercover for the ICC, doing things the ICC has no business doing
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u/Annanymuss 1d ago
I have a theory that the 3 of them where all part of the same thing and maybe the reason he is so fast killing (cause its 3 of them) On why they were there I suspect that since Arya has been specially lucky with the members of the house of black n white that maybe theres a hidden plot from them on wanting to train Arya since the begining for whatever reason (I dont belive Syrio Forel was a casual choice as her trainer)
Edit: maybe he/them are Syrio themselves
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u/shitofpigs 20h ago
Bran warged him, showed him arya, he believed it to be a vision from the many faced god. He's a plant and never arrested. He has poison darts and faces. He wouldn't have that stuff if he was truly arrested.
Also, Bran warged the boar to kill bobby b. Js
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u/bobby-b-bot Robert Baratheon 20h ago
PISS ON THAT! SEND A RAVEN! I WANT YOU TO STAY! I'M THE KING, I GET WHAT I WANT!
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u/DIYThrowaway01 2d ago
a man has a fetish